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1 Thessalonians 4:16, For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:That is what I believe as well. The apostle Paul, when he is faithfully exercising his peculiar calling of revealing the mystery of the church and it's doctrines, did not say anywhere that it's gathering and translation from earth to heaven was an appearing for the world to see. The opposite is true. The day of the LORD comes as a thief in the night. Thieves do not announce their coming and they take only what is valuable. (like maybe a "Pearle of great price").
1 Thessalonians 5:2
For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. (the word "as" lets you know this is a metaphor).
Check the context. This is immediately after the translation of the church and also explanation of it. It is because the church is of the day and it is not asleep. (unless portions of it have been reading modern day eschatology authors who have strong Calvinist and Baptist Reformed leanings and have made up a bunch of doctrines to fit their own narratives). The day of the Lord begins as all Jewish days begin, in the evening, at sundown. It is the seventh day of human history. It is the sabbath day. It has a morning that will dawn as the day of rest without any rebels in it and Jesus Christ will sit on his throne in Jerusalem and the church will be there with him in glorified bodies exactly like his glorified body, not restricted to physical laws and during this time the scriptures informs us that the nights during this time will be as bright as the day and the days will be seven times brighter than our current days. The population of the earth at the beginning of this day will be redeemed and those who were alive at the end of the great tribulation and were saved. Those who are born during this day will need to be redeemed. Not all will be and they, the unsaved, will populate the released Satan army at the end of the sabbath before the beginning of the "day of God," which is an eternal day with no night there.
Peter talks about the end of the day of the Lord and the beginning of the day of God. Here!
2 Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Read Re 20:11-15 here. (the end of one day is the beginning of the next)
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
Not all resurrected saints are called sons of God, but all resurrected saints are redeemed. Only the church of Jesus Christ will have glorified bodies like the body of Jesus Christ. The church is uniquely his body and will obviously be with him where he is for eternity.
You need to learn to first believe the words of God and then learn to pivot in your thinking when God pivots. This is good advice but I doubt anyone here will receive it. I have outlined my theological position on the end times and I have yet to receive a single like.
1 John 3:1
Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
John addressed this letter to "the little children."
Think on these things and if you agree, give me a like.
Matthew 24:31, And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet,
Revelation 20:6, . . . the first resurrection: . . .
John 6:40, . . . every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
1 Corinthians 15:52, . . . for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
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