The Danger of the Denial of the Pre-Trib Translation (Rapture) of the Church of Jesus Christ

[37818]

That is what I believe as well. The apostle Paul, when he is faithfully exercising his peculiar calling of revealing the mystery of the church and it's doctrines, did not say anywhere that it's gathering and translation from earth to heaven was an appearing for the world to see. The opposite is true. The day of the LORD comes as a thief in the night. Thieves do not announce their coming and they take only what is valuable. (like maybe a "Pearle of great price").

1 Thessalonians 5:2
For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. (the word "as" lets you know this is a metaphor).

Check the context. This is immediately after the translation of the church and also explanation of it. It is because the church is of the day and it is not asleep. (unless portions of it have been reading modern day eschatology authors who have strong Calvinist and Baptist Reformed leanings and have made up a bunch of doctrines to fit their own narratives). The day of the Lord begins as all Jewish days begin, in the evening, at sundown. It is the seventh day of human history. It is the sabbath day. It has a morning that will dawn as the day of rest without any rebels in it and Jesus Christ will sit on his throne in Jerusalem and the church will be there with him in glorified bodies exactly like his glorified body, not restricted to physical laws and during this time the scriptures informs us that the nights during this time will be as bright as the day and the days will be seven times brighter than our current days. The population of the earth at the beginning of this day will be redeemed and those who were alive at the end of the great tribulation and were saved. Those who are born during this day will need to be redeemed. Not all will be and they, the unsaved, will populate the released Satan army at the end of the sabbath before the beginning of the "day of God," which is an eternal day with no night there.

Peter talks about the end of the day of the Lord and the beginning of the day of God. Here!

2 Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Read Re 20:11-15 here. (the end of one day is the beginning of the next)

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.


Not all resurrected saints are called sons of God, but all resurrected saints are redeemed. Only the church of Jesus Christ will have glorified bodies like the body of Jesus Christ. The church is uniquely his body and will obviously be with him where he is for eternity.

You need to learn to first believe the words of God and then learn to pivot in your thinking when God pivots. This is good advice but I doubt anyone here will receive it. I have outlined my theological position on the end times and I have yet to receive a single like.

1 John 3:1
Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

John addressed this letter to "the little children."

Think on these things and if you agree, give me a like.

1 Thessalonians 4:16, For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Matthew 24:31, And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet,

Revelation 20:6, . . . the first resurrection: . . .

John 6:40, . . . every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 Corinthians 15:52, . . . for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

 

[JesusFan]

You are not trying to follow the logic of the scriptures with faith in what is said and with good and sound reasoning. It is not required to understand and believe the translation of the church of Jesus Christ to be saved from the penalty of sins, which is the second death in the lake of fire, but if you will be a teacher of the word of God, teaching what he calls the deep things of God, your mind must be enlightened by the Spirit with the mind of Christ. Sound doctrine is important to God.

2 Tim 2:1 Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.
2 And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.

The things Paul taught primarily were church doctrines, the mysteries of God.

1 Cor 4:1 Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God.
2 Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful.
3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self.
4 For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.

Remember that Paul said in Ephesians 1-3 that he was given the doctrines of the church by revelation from Jesus Christ. He did not learn them by reading the OT scriptures because they were hidden in past ages. They were mysteries hidden in God. They could not be learned any other way, and I believe revelation to some degree is still required in individuals else we would all be on the same page with understanding them. Even unsaved men would know them.

I suggest you question everything you have learned from the Reformed.

I did not get this from reformed, but from reading greatest Baptist of all time, Charles Spurgeon concerning biblical eschatology

 

[JD731]

1 Thessalonians 4:16, For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Matthew 24:31, And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet,

Revelation 20:6, . . . the first resurrection: . . .

John 6:40, . . . every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 Corinthians 15:52, . . . for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Are you set in stone that your definition of the church of Jesus Christ is not a mystery as Paul the apostle claims and is indeed the same and equal with any and all other entities that have obtained God's salvation in the scriptures and has no special doctrines that apply specifically to it? That is what I think you are attempting to get across in your cross context posts. The return of Christ to the earth to be King is a matter of several OT prophecies so there is no applcation for this?

Ep 3:1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

You are saying unequivocally that the body of Christ is being raised from the dead in Re 20:4-6, where the language is thus:


Re 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Rev 20:1
And (remember what is the function of a conjunction) I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

It seems these following events were after the events above. What do you think?

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[37818]

Are you set in stone that your definition of the church of Jesus Christ is not a mystery as Paul the apostle claims and is indeed the same and equal with any and all other entities that have obtained God's salvation in the scriptures and has no special doctrines that apply specifically to it? That is what I think you are attempting to get across in your cross context posts. The return of Christ to the earth to be King is a matter of several OT prophecies so there is no applcation for this?

Ep 3:1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

You are saying unequivocally that the body of Christ is being raised from the dead in Re 20:4-6, where the language is thus:


Re 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Rev 20:1
And (remember what is the function of a conjunction) I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

It seems these following events were after the events above. What do you think?

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Matthew 24:29-31, Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[JD731]

I did not get this from reformed, but from reading greatest Baptist of all time, Charles Spurgeon concerning biblical eschatology

Newsflash, JF, Charles Spurgeon was Reformed.

 

[JD731]

Matthew 24:29-31, Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

I am taking that as a yes.

 

[JesusFan]

Newsflash, JF, Charles Spurgeon was Reformed.

He was a Reformed Baptist same way that I am

 

[JesusFan]

I am taking that as a yes.

All happens at end of this present age at the second coming event

 

[37818]

I am taking that as a yes.

A yes about what?

 

[JD731]

A yes about what?

Are you set in stone that your definition of the church of Jesus Christ is not a mystery as Paul the apostle claims and is indeed the same and equal with any and all other entities that have obtained God's salvation in the scriptures and has no special doctrines that apply specifically to it??

Matthew 24:29-31, Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[JD731]

@37818 @JesusFan

Continuing on the subject of the translation of the church from earth to the Father's house and the eschatological themes I have talked about, I will give you guys a profound truth. The "day of the Lord" is one thousand years long as God counts days in his scriptures and as it relates to prophecy. A day has two expressions, an evening and a morning. All the judgement that takes place in this day is either in the evening or at the end of the day. The evening is darkness and the morning is light. When Jesus Christ returns and establishes his kingdom it will be in the morning. (I am the light of the world, he says)

Ps 110 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
2 The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.

The Lord is coming first to the Mount of Olives and will enter the city of Jerusalem through the Eastern gate, and from there he will go out to destroy his enemies in the valley of Megiddo.

Rom 11:11 I say then, Have they (Israel) stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. 12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. (I have bolded the mystery hidden from past ages according to Paul and these words are spoken to us gentiles, see Rom 11:13) 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: When Paul says ALL Israel shall be saved, he means the remnant doctrine is complete.

3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.

4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.
5 The LORD at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.
6 He shall judge among the heathen, he shall fill the places with the dead bodies; he shall wound the heads over many countries.
7 He shall drink of the brook in the way: therefore shall he lift up the head.

There is terminology that will put one in that day, either into the dark or the light. Context will determine it.

Examples;

This is the context of Matt 24 when the LORD gathers his elect with the sound of the trumpet;

Isa 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Matt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

No mystery here. The Lord will gather his elect from the four (4) winds. They are of Israel and not the church. This is not what the apostle Paul was speaking of when he revealed the mystery of the translation of the church. If it had already been told here then it would not have been a mystery, hidden from past ages and he would have been in error in Ephesians 3.

Isaiah 45:4
For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.

Zechariah 12:3
And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

Zechariah 12:9
And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

This is true in the NT as well.

Matthew 7:22
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

That day is the day of the Lord.

Matthew 24:36
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

The Reformed does not understand, nor accept, nor teach the mysteries of God which are clearly presented in 13 letters to gentiles in our Bibles. The Reformed have not been telling you the truth on eschatology. There is still time to get it right. We gentiles have a great debt owed to Israel because we are in the church of Jesus Christ because of them.

Spoken to gentiles V 13
Romands 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

un·til
/ˌənˈtil,ənˈtil/

preposition

up to (the point in time or the event mentioned).

conjunction

up to the point in time or the event mentioned.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

so
/sō/

conjunction

and for this reason; therefore.
1."it was still painful so I went to see a specialist"
2. with the aim that; in order that.

 

[37818]

The only answer I explicitly affirmed was "after the tribulation" and it's context.

Matthew 24:29-31, Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[37818]

Continuing on the subject of the translation of the church from earth to the Father's house and the eschatological themes I have talked about, I will give you guys a profound truth. The "day of the Lord" is one thousand years long as God counts days in his scriptures and . . . .

You do not know what you think you know.

 

[JesusFan]

@37818 @JesusFan

Continuing on the subject of the translation of the church from earth to the Father's house and the eschatological themes I have talked about, I will give you guys a profound truth. The "day of the Lord" is one thousand years long as God counts days in his scriptures and as it relates to prophecy. A day has two expressions, an evening and a morning. All the judgement that takes place in this day is either in the evening or at the end of the day. The evening is darkness and the morning is light. When Jesus Christ returns and establishes his kingdom it will be in the morning. (I am the light of the world, he says)

Ps 110 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
2 The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.

The Lord is coming first to the Mount of Olives and will enter the city of Jerusalem through the Eastern gate, and from there he will go out to destroy his enemies in the valley of Megiddo.

Rom 11:11 I say then, Have they (Israel) stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. 12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. (I have bolded the mystery hidden from past ages according to Paul and these words are spoken to us gentiles, see Rom 11:13) 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: When Paul says ALL Israel shall be saved, he means the remnant doctrine is complete.

3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.

4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.
5 The LORD at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.
6 He shall judge among the heathen, he shall fill the places with the dead bodies; he shall wound the heads over many countries.
7 He shall drink of the brook in the way: therefore shall he lift up the head.

There is terminology that will put one in that day, either into the dark or the light. Context will determine it.

Examples;

This is the context of Matt 24 when the LORD gathers his elect with the sound of the trumpet;

Isa 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Matt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

No mystery here. The Lord will gather his elect from the four (4) winds. They are of Israel and not the church. This is not what the apostle Paul was speaking of when he revealed the mystery of the translation of the church. If it had already been told here then it would not have been a mystery, hidden from past ages and he would have been in error in Ephesians 3.

Isaiah 45:4
For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.

Zechariah 12:3
And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

Zechariah 12:9
And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

This is true in the NT as well.

Matthew 7:22
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

That day is the day of the Lord.

Matthew 24:36
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

The Reformed does not understand, nor accept, nor teach the mysteries of God which are clearly presented in 13 letters to gentiles in our Bibles. The Reformed have not been telling you the truth on eschatology. There is still time to get it right. We gentiles have a great debt owed to Israel because we are in the church of Jesus Christ because of them.

Spoken to gentiles V 13
Romands 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

un·til
/ˌənˈtil,ənˈtil/

preposition

up to (the point in time or the event mentioned).

conjunction

up to the point in time or the event mentioned.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

so
/sō/

conjunction

and for this reason; therefore.
1."it was still painful so I went to see a specialist"
2. with the aim that; in order that.

Day of the Lord is the time of the Great tribulation period, as then God is preparing Israel to meet her Messiah at end of that period of time

 

[JD731]

You do not know what you think you know

I know it is the 7th day, the day of his sabbath rest when his work of redemption is finished.

Isa 11 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:
2 And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;
3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:
4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.
6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.
10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
13 The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.
14 But they shall fly upon the shoulders of the Philistines toward the west; they shall spoil them of the east together: they shall lay their hand upon Edom and Moab; and the children of Ammon shall obey them.
15 And the Lord shall utterly destroy the tongue of the Egyptian sea; and with his mighty wind shall he shake his hand over the river, and shall smite it in the seven streams, and make men go over dryshod.
16 And there shall be an highway for the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria; like as it was to Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt.

 

[37818]

I know it is the 7th day, the day of his sabbath rest when his work of redemption is finished.

Ah, no, Exodus 20:11, For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

And the second explanation:

Deuteronomy 5:15, And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.

 

[JD731]

Ah, no, Exodus 20:11, For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

And the second explanation:

Deuteronomy 5:15, And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.

37818, you are making no sense by ignoring a 7 day pattern all through the scriptures, beginning with creation with time and ending with the eternal state where we will live in an eternal day. The beginning of creation instructs us of a six day work week with the seventh and final day being a rest day. Again, there are seven days in the Revelation that ends in a one thousand (1000) year day where the first six days are devoted to the purging of Israel and their purification by fire and by extension the purification of the whole world. God is consistent throughout his scriptures with this pattern and it appears many times, sometimes applying to how man views time, a twenty four (24) hour day and sometimes the way God figures time for the purpose of his prophecy, a thousand year day as in the Revelation. In every case the work was finished in six days and the seventh day was a rest from the labor of the week. It was a sabbath.

Now, I have given you two instances where this pattern is obvious but I will show you another that you probably have not considered. Before I do this I am going to say something about God the Father and Jesus Christ his son and our Lord. Check this out.

John 5:16 And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.

18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.

21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

This is bodies, not souls.
25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

There is NO death of the saved in the sabbath day because the prince of life is ruling and reigning and has defeated death and will rest from his labors on his sabbath day. At the great white throne judgement in Re 20: 11-15 there will be no righteous to raise because they have all been raised in the three-fold resurrection of the just, called the first resurrection, the OT saints in Luke 27:52, the bride of Christ as recorded in 1 Thess 4:13-18, and the tribulation saints in Re 20:6.

Now, here is something you have not seen in the scripture. I will be brief.

One third of the chapters in the four (4) gospels are devoted to the last 8 days of the ministry of Jesus on the earth. There are 89 chapters and 29 of them are about these days, So, the eight days began on what we call Sunday and ended on Sunday, which is the first day of a new week. But, what we know as Saturday is the sabbath day. All these days can be tracked in the gospel of Mark.

Now what is amazing and worthy of note is that Jesus Christ finished his work by dying for sinners on the cross and putting away sin at the end of the day called Friday when he called out that his work is finished and he died. It was finished on Friday at the end of the work week. It was at 3 O'clock. His dead body was taken down from the cross after that and buried in a tomb. This means that Jesus did not enter the tomb until very late in the day and this is because Saturday is the sabbath when he will rest. He is not resting on the 6th day, he is resting on the 7th day. The rest is about the body.

I walked into a cemetery and saw on a tombstone an inscription that said, "REST IN PEACE." It was the body that had finished it's work and was at rest. No activity. The soul was not there.

Our Lord Jesus was on the cross while there was light on Friday at 9 to noon, and in complete darkness from noon to three, the same as it is in Revelation. That 6 days was divided the same way. Jesus Christ went through tribulation for the whole six hours on that Friday but he went through Great Tribulation after God the Father turned the lights out. But they took him down just before the sabbath and placed his body in the tomb where it rested until very early in the morning on Sunday. He rose from the dead after a complete Sabbath and his resurrection signified a new week. Peter calls this "the day of God."

The day of the Lord, God says, is darkness and not light. There is a resurrection in Re 20 of those saints who died during the tribulation and I would not doubt that it will take place on the third day after Jesus returns as King of kings.

I think you have been taught to read the scriptures like a novel. You must not do that. You must read it as the Word of God. Our Father God is a wonderful God, worthy of all our worship and praise.

 

[37818]

37818, you are making no sense by ignoring a 7 day pattern all through the scriptures, beginning with creation with time and ending with the eternal state where we will live in an eternal day.

You gave no Biblical evidence this so called eternal day nonsense.

 

[JD731]

You gave no Biblical evidence this so called eternal day nonsense.

Well, actually I did. I quoted Peter indication that following the day of the LORD, which we now know is 1K long there appears "the day of God." We do not know in time how long it is because it is in the eternal state. In time, a day is evening, dark, and morning, light.

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Now, here is some new info;

Revelation 21:25
And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

If that day begins with light and it does not get dark, then it is an eternal day. That seems to be solid logic and reason.

Re 10:5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

I think this makes sense. It does to me.

 

[37818]

Well, actually I did. I quoted Peter indication that following the day of the LORD, which we now know is 1K long there appears "the day of God." We do not know in time how long it is because it is in the eternal state. In time, a day is evening, dark, and morning, light.

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Now, here is some new info;

Revelation 21:25
And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

If that day begins with light and it does not get dark, then it is an eternal day. That seems to be solid logic and reason.

Re 10:5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

I think this makes sense. It does to me.

A day is not an eternity anywhere.