The Definition Of “Foreknowledge”

[Aaron]

Prognōsis (4268) literally means "before knowledge" and refers to knowledge acquired in the past being utilized in the present and never refers to future knowledge.

In Acts 2:23 Jesus is put to death by the previously declared plan and being implemented in the present by God.

In 1 Peter 1:1-2 people were chosen according to God's redemption plan method, being implemented in the present,

If you care to study the actual concept, you can also look at the related "verb" form of the Greek word, found at Acts 26:5, Romans 8:29, Romans 11:2, 1 Peter 1:20 and 2 Peter 3:17.

In every case an action to be taken in the present is based on prior knowledge of the past.

Study and learn.

If God were a man, you might have a point.

 

[Aaron]

When Abraham lifted up his knife to kill his son, God said stop, now I know.... (Gen. 22:12) Thus God had chosen not to know that future event. Jesus did not know the time of His Second Coming, thus another example of God choosing not to know a future event. If my view is correct, knowing the future, fixes that future, then God saying things happen by chance indicates God had chosen not to know those parts of the future too.

Except that God cannot deny Himself. Omniscience is omniscience.

Only when the Word became flesh, could He be subject to some of the limitations of the flesh.

 

[JesusFan]

You are again posting "taint so" without basis. Your believe in Open Theism because you believe as I do, that God is not the author of sin.

You apparently have no understanding of our God as described in scripture, due to any citation of an attribute differing from the God who can remember no more forever, and allow things to happen by chance rather than by predestination.

Van am a Calvinist, so would NOT hold to any form of Open theism, but some of your postings regarding God Omniscience do seem to border right on an Open Theism viewpoint

 

[JesusFan]

Yes, God does not need to examine His knowledge of the unfixed future because He has chosen not to know it.

And right there is very definition of holding to Open Theism

 

[JesusFan]

He has chosen not to know it?

Wouldn’t He have to know about something first before choosing to not know it anymore?

Sounds like you’re saying that God’s mind functions like a database where He can internally delete files of information.

Its holding to the heretical Open theism view of God and His omniscience

 

[Van]

Van am a Calvinist, so would NOT hold to any form of Open theism, but some of your postings regarding God Omniscience do seem to border right on an Open Theism viewpoint

Here JesusFan claims he believes God is the author of sin. False claim in my opinion.

 

[Van]

And right there is very definition of holding to Open Theism

And right there JesusFan is claiming God really does remember out sins forever, and that God predestined them.

 

[Baptizo]

And right there JesusFan is claiming God really does remember out sins forever, and that God predestined them.

I remember my sins even after God has “chosen not to remember them.” Can I know something that God doesn’t know?

 

[Van]

I remember my sins even after God has “chosen not to remember them.” Can I know something that God doesn’t know?

I assume this is a serious question. God can choose not to know your sin, even when you know your sin. Scripture does not claim when God chooses not to know something, that requires that no one else can know them. Such a claim is an addition to scripture to support another addition, that God must know everything and cannot chose not to know whatever He chooses not to know.

 

[Van]

Except that God cannot deny Himself. Omniscience is omniscience.

Only when the Word became flesh, could He be subject to some of the limitations of the flesh.

How many times I am supposed to address this false claim? Jesus was said to know all, yet did not know His time of return. Therefore your definition of Omniscience, knowing everything imaginable, is bogus, Omniscience is the ability to know whatever God chooses to know.
Your definition violates Omnipotence, where God can overcome any man-made barrier, such as having to know everything imaginable. He could know everything imaginable, but that is not what scripture says He has chosen to do, as He can choose to forget or not to acquire knowledge.
The doctrine as you probably know is called Inherit Omniscience. You can look it up.

 

[Baptizo]

God can choose not to know your sin, even when you know your sin.

To be clear, you are affirming that it is possible for the creature to know something that the Creator does not, even by His own volition. I can't even begin to imagine the type of reasoning and mental gymnastics that it would take to resolve that massive paradox.

 

[Aaron]

How many times I am supposed to address this false claim? Jesus was said to know all, yet did not know His time of return.

Until you quit calling truth a falsehood.

Therefore your definition of Omniscience, knowing everything imaginable, is bogus,

Wow. And you have a problem with "all" is not every individual?

Omniscience is the ability to know whatever God chooses to know.

What is Omnipotence? Omnipresence?

Your definition violates Omnipotence, where God can overcome any man-made barrier, such as having to know everything imaginable. He could know everything imaginable, but that is not what scripture says He has chosen to do, as He can choose to forget or not to acquire knowledge.

You're confusing the divine and human natures of Christ.

The doctrine as you probably know is called Inherit Omniscience. You can look it up.

You're still thinking of God as a man.

 

[Aaron]

I remember my sins even after God has “chosen not to remember them.”

You won't remember them when you're glorified. Not as you think of remembrance.

 

[Aaron]

Here JesusFan claims he believes God is the author of sin. False claim in my opinion.

Don't get me wrong, but you gotta have some freaky legs to make that leap in logic. Post a pic?

 

[Aaron]

And right there JesusFan is claiming God really does remember out sins forever, and that God predestined them.

If God were a man, you might have a point.

 

[Van]

To be clear, you are affirming that it is possible for the creature to know something that the Creator does not, even by His own volition. I can't even begin to imagine the type of reasoning and mental gymnastics that it would take to resolve that massive paradox.

Yes, your claim when God does not remember our sin, we lose memory of it too is nonsense.

 

[Van]

Don't get me wrong, but you gotta have some freaky legs to make that leap in logic. Post a pic?

More denial of the obvious. JesusFan defends Calvinism. Calvinism correctly asserts God is not the author of sin. Therefore, JesusFan's doctrine supports Open Theism, in that God does not author our sin.

 

[Van]

If God were a man, you might have a point.

Here Aaron seem to suggest, if God does not know everything imaginable, including the sin He said He would not remember, He is not God. Sounds like Aaron has created a god not described in scripture.

 

[Van]

Does "all" refer to everything imaginable, or only to all of whatever is contextually in view? All refers to the contextual content, not everything imaginable. For example, Jesus said if I am high and lifted up, I will draw all to Myself. John 12:32 Is Jesus talking about drawing all the moons of Saturn to Himself? Of course not. He is talking about humans, and not all humans, but those aware He died on a cross for them.

As the saying goes, Context is king.

 

[Baptizo]

Yes, your claim when God does not remember our sin, we lose memory of it too is nonsense.

That needs to be corrected. My response was to your claim that God can cease to have knowledge about past sins while we can continue to possess that same knowledge. That doesn’t work if God knows our hearts and our minds, now does it?