The Effects Of Calvinism On Scripture

[utilyan]

God commands ALL PEOPLE to repent and not to sin.

Only the dumbest of brethren can't figure what God wants and desires after hearing so.

 

[1689Dave]

God commands ALL PEOPLE to repent and not to sin.

Only the dumbest of brethren can't figure what God wants and desires after hearing so.

Are you sure you are not reading your views into scripture in this case?

 

[1689Dave]

If we reverse this and make it The effects of Scripture on Calvinism we can see Calvinism's strengths and weaknesses found in the Institutes. I did this and found much I disagree with but some of it is irrefutable. I think the first 3 points stand the test even though Calvin didn't agree with point 3, limited atonement.

 

[MB]

The butthurt is strong with this one.

Truth hurts huh?
MB

 

[MB]

Are you sure you are not reading your views into scripture in this case?

We all know this is what you do Dave.
MB

 

[MB]

If we reverse this and make it The effects of Scripture on Calvinism we can see Calvinism's strengths and weaknesses found in the Institutes. I did this and found much I disagree with but some of it is irrefutable. I think the first 3 points stand the test even though Calvin didn't agree with point 3, limited atonement.

I have yet to find anything in Calvinism that is irrefutable.
MB

 

[1689Dave]

I have yet to find anything in Calvinism that is irrefutable.
MB

I cannot refute the first three points. Or some other things found in his Institutes.

 

[MB]

I cannot refute the first three points. Or some other things found in his Institutes.

It has been my experience that. what I can refute Partially I will eventually refute it all.

I know you know that just a little Levin will Levin the whole lump of bread. If a small part of doctrine is not true it makes the whole doctrine not true.
The inability is defeated by the Gentiles being granted repentance and Salvation being sent to them and them actually hearing it.

Election for Gentiles is defeated by it not being in scripture. No matter if you cite Eoh 2 because no where in scripture does it ever say that God elected the Gentiles. or individual Gentiles It definitely says He elected the Jews but not the Gentiles.

Limited Atonement Is defeated by Jn. 3:16 because the false Claim it was intended for the elect is not there in scripture. Only in the Calvinist Imagination.

Irresistible Grace is defeated by it not being in scripture Because the Jew's rejected Christ.
Mat_23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Joh_1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

Perseverance of the Saints. Is not only defeated in scripture but Calvinist have defeated it by Changing it to God persevering for the saints . It's not that Salvation isn't eternal because it definitely is eternal because we have been sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise. There is no persevering.It's a done deal if you trust in Christ..
MB
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[Particular]

It has been my experience that. what I can refute Partially I will eventually refute it all.

I know you know that just a little Levin will Levin the whole lump of bread. If a small part of doctrine is not true it makes the whole doctrine not true.
The inability is defeated by the Gentiles being granted repentance and Salvation being sent to them and them actually hearing it.

Election for Gentiles is defeated by it not being in scripture. No matter if you cite Eoh 2 because no where in scripture does it ever say that God elected the Gentiles. or individual Gentiles It definitely says He elected the Jews but not the Gentiles.

Limited Atonement Is defeated by Jn. 3:16 because the false Claim it was intended for the elect is not there in scripture. Only in the Calvinist Imagination.

Irresistible Grace is defeated by it not being in scripture Because the Jew's rejected Christ.
Mat_23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Joh_1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

Perseverance of the Saints. Is not only defeated in scripture but Calvinist have defeated it by Changing it to God persevering for the saints . It's not that Salvation isn't eternal because it definitely is eternal because we have been sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise. There is no persevering.It's a done deal if you trust in Christ..
MB
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Smoke em if you got em, MB! We can just ignore Hebrews 12 and Romans 6...

 

[MB]

Smoke em if you got em, MB! We can just ignore Hebrews 12 and Romans 6...

Are you claiming scripture contradicts it's self?
MB

 

[1689Dave]

It has been my experience that. what I can refute Partially I will eventually refute it all.

I know you know that just a little Levin will Levin the whole lump of bread. If a small part of doctrine is not true it makes the whole doctrine not true.
The inability is defeated by the Gentiles being granted repentance and Salvation being sent to them and them actually hearing it.

Election for Gentiles is defeated by it not being in scripture. No matter if you cite Eoh 2 because no where in scripture does it ever say that God elected the Gentiles. or individual Gentiles It definitely says He elected the Jews but not the Gentiles.

Limited Atonement Is defeated by Jn. 3:16 because the false Claim it was intended for the elect is not there in scripture. Only in the Calvinist Imagination.

Irresistible Grace is defeated by it not being in scripture Because the Jew's rejected Christ.
Mat_23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Joh_1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

Perseverance of the Saints. Is not only defeated in scripture but Calvinist have defeated it by Changing it to God persevering for the saints . It's not that Salvation isn't eternal because it definitely is eternal because we have been sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise. There is no persevering.It's a done deal if you trust in Christ..
MB
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You are basing this on a lack of knowledge. If you can't find it, nobody can.... This is not sound thinking.

 

[Particular]

Are you claiming scripture contradicts it's self?
MB

I'm claiming you are plucking sentences out of paragraphs and assigning a false interpretation to the sentence.
I am claiming that scripture interprets scripture and you ignore all other scripture to get your conclusion.

 

[MB]

I'm claiming you are plucking sentences out of paragraphs and assigning a false interpretation to the sentence.
I am claiming that scripture interprets scripture and you ignore all other scripture to get your conclusion.

The truth seems like that when you are against it to begin with. Even you prove scripture here. Most would rather believe a lie than the truth. The truth with the Spirits help hurt's your ego and you have plenty of it.
MB

 

[Particular]

The truth seems like that when you are against it to begin with. Even you prove scripture here. Most would rather believe a lie than the truth. The truth with the Spirits help hurt's your ego and you have plenty of it.
MB

What MB says to himself while looking in the mirror...

 

[MB]

You are basing this on a lack of knowledge. If you can't find it, nobody can.... This is not sound thinking.

You know I'm right you just can't bring your self to admit it. You can't see beyond your deceptions. Scripture contradicts Calvinism.
MB

 

[1689Dave]

You know I'm right you just can't bring your self to admit it. You can't see beyond your deceptions. Scripture contradicts Calvinism.
MB

You don't know what I do, yet you are saying you are right based on ignorance. Because you set the bar for knowledge.

 

[utilyan]

Are you sure you are not reading your views into scripture in this case?

Ezekiel 18

23“Do I have any pleasure in the death of the wicked,” declares the Lord GOD, “rather than that he should turn from his ways and live?

Answer God Dave. If its not clear to you what he wants, I got bad news for you.

 

[MB]

You don't know what I do, yet you are saying you are right based on ignorance. Because you set the bar for knowledge.

Not so Dave. You don't now what I do either and because you don't know you call me ignorant. You should investigate what I've said instead of judge me by what you think you know. . Paul didn't believe either when he was Saul and Killing the Christians.. Thomas couldn't believe until he felt the wounds of Christ. It's not really me you are calling ignorant it's the clear teaching of God that you can't handel You have blinded your self by the pride you have in what you think you know.
MB

 

[1689Dave]

Not so Dave. You don't now what I do either and because you don't know you call me ignorant. You should investigate what I've said instead of judge me by what you think you know. . Paul didn't believe either when he was Saul and Killing the Christians.. Thomas couldn't believe until he felt the wounds of Christ. It's not really me you are calling ignorant it's the clear teaching of God that you can't handel You have blinded your self by the pride you have in what you think you know.
MB

You are denouncing truths others know showing that either you do not understand them or you are unaware of them.

 

[1689Dave]

Ezekiel 18

23“Do I have any pleasure in the death of the wicked,” declares the Lord GOD, “rather than that he should turn from his ways and live?

Answer God Dave. If its not clear to you what he wants, I got bad news for you.

Who would have pleasure in the death of the wicked? But God would not be good if he didn't kill sinners and send them to hell. And he would not be merciful if he didn't pay for the sins of some and save them.