Featured The Eternal Son.

where is yours that it is the same?

 

begotten does not mean Jesus was a created being!

 

He sounds like the father of the JW!

 

I agree. In the Trinitarian sense (not the human) it describes the ETERNAL relationship between the Father and the Son (Logos) emanating from the bosom (kolpos) of the Father.

Some don't agree. Good for them.

 

I made no claim about which Creed is considered more or less Arian than the other. I was only pointing it appeared to me the guys here were following the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed of 381. I said this because I saw the phrase "before all worlds" which is not in the Nicene Creed.

You would have to provide some primary historical source for that claim. As far as I know the answer is no.

Never happened

 

Very, very similar

 

It is not hard to find.

You could simply check the Eyclopedia Britannica.

Koine | ancient Greek language

Or you could check out:

Hellenistic Koine

Or this site from Ohio State University department of linguistics:

GREEK, Ancient

Or you could read: Greek: A History of the Language and its Speakers by Geoffrey Horrocks

 

Thought that the consensus is that the passage there in 1 John 5:7 was a result of a scribe margin note being eventually included into the main text itself?

 

Begotten means one is sired, one is "generated by procreation."

In the case of Christ, the trinity overshadowed Marry as the messenger of God stated, and that which was born from that was holy - THE Son of God.

Now, that in no manner excludes the Christ from being eternal.

What it does do is allow for the statements of Paul and that found already shared in the thread to be held as valid.

John Murray writes, “The doctrine of the incarnation is vitiated if it is conceived of as the beginning to be of the person of Christ. The incarnation means that he who never began to be in his specific identity as Son of God, began to be what he eternally was not” (quoted in John Frame, Systematic Theology, 883).

"6 ... who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,2 emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, 3 being born in the likeness of men. becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
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The blood of Christ cannot have been but that which was born holy and remained pure even at the point of and throughout the shedding and crucifixion and taking upon all sin of the Kosmos. Anything less would never have been sufficient to appease God. That blood not from Adam but from the eternal trinity was undefilable and incorruptible. That believers also not appear in heaven in flesh and blood, but are given a new creation created in the likeness of Christ - holy.

 

It is.

 

Again, I don't know that it matters considering 1 John 5:7 is validated in other Scriptures.

 

Exactly. This is an English translation of the Greek, which substitutes the word “begotten” instead of conveying your intended meaning “emanates from” thus introducing confusion, if the latter is truly meant.

 

In the context , eternally begotten would be a clear intention of ascribing full Deity to Jesus....

 

Actually, eternal does not necessarily mean “having no beginning,” but only “having no end.” Thus, when we speak of those born again as receiving eternal life, it does not make them God. In any case, “begotten” does not mean “emanates from,” no matter how much one wishes otherwise.

 

Is it not simple saying to us the origin/source of Jesus is the Father?
Same thing expressed to us in the prologue of John?

 

NO!!!!

The Christ is eternal - the I AM. The creator and sustainer of all things.

The trinity overshadowed Marry and that which was conceived the Scriptures called "holy - the Son of God."

That Son was 100% eternal God, and 100% human born of a virgin.

That Son was conceived, sired, begotten by the trinity and at the appointed time birthed and laid in a manger.

 

He was God the Son before He incarnated!