THE FAITH OF GODS ELECT .

[Barry Johnson]

...refer to Romans 9:11 for a concise New Testament example of unconditional election:

11 for the children being not yet born, neither having done anything good or bad, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth,

God's elect are chosen, unconditionally, before they are born.

Where does it say ' when ' they are chosen in those verses ?

 

[Barry Johnson]

1 Corinthians 12 discussing spiritual gifts. Jesus being your Lord is a gift brought about by the Holy Spirit to change your life unto Salvation. It's nothing you do. Saying we choose God and not the other way around is a works-based salvation.

We believe the Gospel. This pleases God . We don't believe the Gospel this does not please God . Isn't it amazing how theologians do not see the simplicity in Christ ?

 

[kyredneck]

Where does it say ' when ' they are chosen in those verses ?

... repeat this ten times and maybe you’ll see it:

11 for the children being not yet born, neither having done anything good or bad, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth,

 

[Reformed1689]

Ok the only part that makes sense is when you say "1 Corinthians 12 discussing spiritual gifts. " After this you come out of the context of the passages ?

It's called taking the context of all of Scripture, not just pieces of Scripture. Ephesians 2 says that grace and faith are gifts of God.

 

[Reformed1689]

We believe the Gospel. This pleases God . We don't believe the Gospel this does not please God . Isn't it amazing how theologians do not see the simplicity in Christ ?

But who is able to believe? Nobody seeks after God in their natural state.

 

[Barry Johnson]

... repeat this ten times and maybe you’ll see it:

11 for the children being not yet born, neither having done anything good or bad, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth,

In the womb

 

[Barry Johnson]

But who is able to believe? Nobody seeks after God in their natural state.

I see you've learned the A , B ,C ,s of reformed theology. You just need to say " the golden chain of redemption " and you will have the set . Why Does Jesus marvel at their unbelief ? So Jesus chose not to know this about man . I have a verse that is about somebody not known about the day or the hour ' , is this the same as ' man ' ?

John 2.24 .
But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men,


Mark 6:6

“And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching.”

"Oh Jesus don't you know ,silly Billy ? haven't you read about total inability from birth ? Why are you surprised at their unbelief? "

 

[Barry Johnson]

But who is able to believe? Nobody seeks after God in their natural state.

27That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
Acts 17 .

Hebrews 11:6
King James Version

6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him .

 

[Reformed1689]

27That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
Acts 17 .

Hebrews 11:6
King James Version

6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him .

Again, I did not say that nobody seeks God, I said none seek him in THEIR NATURAL STATE. Romans 3:10

 

[Reformed1689]

I see you've learned the A , B ,C ,s of reformed theology. You just need to say " the golden chain of redemption " and you will have the set . Why Does Jesus marvel at their unbelief ? So Jesus chose not to know this about man . I have a verse that is about somebody not known about the day or the hour ' , is this the same as ' man ' ?

John 2.24 .
But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men,


Mark 6:6

“And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching.”

"Oh Jesus don't you know ,silly Billy ? haven't you read about total inability from birth ? Why are you surprised at their unbelief? "

Classic out of context....

 

[kyredneck]

none seek him in THEIR NATURAL STATE. Romans 3:10

20 for every one who is doing wicked things hateth the light, and doth not come unto the light, that his works may not be detected;
21 but he who is doing the truth doth come to the light, that his works may be manifested, that in God they are having been wrought.` Jn 3

One must FIRST be born from above.

 

[kyredneck]

God's elect are chosen, unconditionally, before they are born.

In the womb

'Chosen before they are born', jibes with "he chose us in him before the foundation of the world".

4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blemish before him in love:
5 having foreordained us unto adoption as sons through Jesus Christ unto himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, Eph 2

 

[MB]

Ok the only part that makes sense is when you say "1 Corinthians 12 discussing spiritual gifts. " After this you come out of the context of the passages ?

It's called calvinist confusion They are confused and they can't stand it that you're not.
MB

 

[kyredneck]

It's called calvinist confusion They are confused and they can't stand it that you're not.
MB

...and yours's is called Calvinist Derangement Syndrome. Do you have nightmares of Calvinists? Keep you up at night?

 

[MB]

...and yours's is called Calvinist Derangement Syndrome. Do you have nightmares of Calvinists? Keep you up at night?

I sleep like a Baby. I'm just not convinced by philosophy. nor am I impressed by ignorance.
MB

 

[AustinC]

I sleep like a Baby. I'm just not convinced by philosophy. nor am I impressed by ignorance.
MB

So...you can't convince yourself nor are you impressed with yourself? Those are the characteristics of a baby.

 

[Reformed1689]

I sleep like a Baby. I'm just not convinced by philosophy. nor am I impressed by ignorance.
MB

Good thing Calvinism is neither of those.

 

[Barry Johnson]

Again, I did not say that nobody seeks God, I said none seek him in THEIR NATURAL STATE. Romans 3:10

Yes there's none righteous or can attain eternal life in their own righteousness. I believe in eternal security and that we are saved by grace , not of works . I don't even believe the Lordship salvation your system/ tradition teaches .

 

[Barry Johnson]

Classic out of context....

Why does he marvel at their unbelief ? Surely Jesus should depend on it according to your worldview ?

 

[Barry Johnson]

'Chosen before they are born', jibes with "he chose us in him before the foundation of the world".

4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blemish before him in love:
5 having foreordained us unto adoption as sons through Jesus Christ unto himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, Eph 2

Oh we just changed verse and different book ?