THE FAITH OF GODS ELECT .

[MB]

Calvinists also believe that. But they need to have ears to hear. Not everyone does.

What do you believe the gospel really is?Is it just the Bible or do you believe it to be believing the Lord Jesus Christ died for your sin and rose again on the third day after death and now sits at the right hand of the Father. My Self the latter is the gospel.
MB

 

[Reformed1689]

What do you believe the gospel really is?Is it just the Bible or do you believe it to be believing the Lord Jesus Christ died for your sin and rose again on the third day after death and now sits at the right hand of the Father. My Self the latter is the gospel.
MB

I believe the latter is as well. That's not what is at question.

 

[AustinC]

What do you believe the gospel really is?Is it just the Bible or do you believe it to be believing the Lord Jesus Christ died for your sin and rose again on the third day after death and now sits at the right hand of the Father. My Self the latter is the gospel.
MB

The good news is that God (Jesus) came to atone for the sins of those who believe.
It remains good news regardless of the response of the one hearing this good news.

Will all humans who hear, universally believe the good news. If not, then Jesus has not drawn all men to himself.
If a person never hears the gospel, yet dies, is he condemned for not choosing that which he never knew? In that case did Jesus fail to draw all men to himself?

The responsibility of proof is upon you and Barry who insist that the word "all" is to be interpreted universally. A universal claim must be proved by the person making the claim.

Prove your claim.

 

[MB]

Calvinists also believe that. But they need to have ears to hear. Not everyone does.

I disagree. Every one who wants to hear can.The problem is so many don't want to hear the gospel.
MB

 

[Reformed1689]

I disagree. Every one who wants to hear can.The problem is so many don't want to hear the gospel.
MB

And nobody naturally wants to hear. Nobody seeks after God.

 

[MB]

And nobody naturally wants to hear. Nobody seeks after God.

Have you ever spoken to someone you didn't know and asked them where they are going when they die?
You said nobody listens but I've gotten results. I wonder why. I don't get in their face about it but I do try to get them to thinking about what happens after they die. Death seems so permanent and some really want to know. I've had some tell me they are saved and some say they are on there way to hell.
I'm not a great evangelist though I do desire to please our Lord and Savior. Christ commanded us to preach the gospel to every living creature. Getting people to thinking about there destination after death is the best starting place. Some have asked me where I'm going and I tell them. I don't want to have the question asked of me about why I didn't tell some one about Christ.
For my self it has become a blessing with out measure whether or not they believe. It's not how many are saved but the fact that it's God's will that we do evangelize.
MB.

 

[Reformed1689]

Have you ever spoken to someone you didn't know and asked them where they are going when they die?
You said nobody listens but I've gotten results. I wonder why. I don't get in their face about it but I do try to get them to thinking about what happens after they die. Death seems so permanent and some really want to know. I've had some tell me they are saved and some say they are on there way to hell.
I'm not a great evangelist though I do desire to please our Lord and Savior. Christ commanded us to preach the gospel to every living creature. Getting people to thinking about there destination after death is the best starting place. Some have asked me where I'm going and I tell them. I don't want to have the question asked of me about why I didn't tell some one about Christ.
For my self it has become a blessing with out measure whether or not they believe. It's not how many are saved but the fact that it's God's will that we do evangelize.
MB.

You are confusing two different things.

 

[MB]

You are confusing two different things.

Well if this is what you wish to think so be it.
MB

 

[AustinC]

Have you ever spoken to someone you didn't know and asked them where they are going when they die?
You said nobody listens but I've gotten results. I wonder why. I don't get in their face about it but I do try to get them to thinking about what happens after they die. Death seems so permanent and some really want to know. I've had some tell me they are saved and some say they are on there way to hell.
I'm not a great evangelist though I do desire to please our Lord and Savior. Christ commanded us to preach the gospel to every living creature. Getting people to thinking about there destination after death is the best starting place. Some have asked me where I'm going and I tell them. I don't want to have the question asked of me about why I didn't tell some one about Christ.
For my self it has become a blessing with out measure whether or not they believe. It's not how many are saved but the fact that it's God's will that we do evangelize.
MB.

Indeed, the blessing is in obedience. The cause of reconciliation, however, was not your obedience, but God's choice to appoint a person to salvation.

 

[Reformed1689]

Well if this is what you wish to think so be it.
MB

I think you are confusing people being curious about what happens after death, or concerned about what happens after death, with truly seeking after God. Those are not the same thing.

 

[MB]

I think you are confusing people being curious about what happens after death, or concerned about what happens after death, with truly seeking after God. Those are not the same thing.

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None the less it's an attempt to be compliant with the commands of our Lord and Savior. to spread the gospel. It's called the great commission. How can anyone deny it is a command of our Lord. I'm only trying to get you to see you are missing the most important thing about being a Christian. If you desire to have spiritual fruit this is how you acquire it.
MB

 

[Salty]

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[Reformed1689]

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None the less it's an attempt to be compliant with the commands of our Lord and Savior. to spread the gospel. It's called the great commission. How can anyone deny it is a command of our Lord. I'm only trying to get you to see you are missing the most important thing about being a Christian. If you desire to have spiritual fruit this is how you acquire it.
MB

What makes you think Calvinists do not fulfill the Great Commission?

 

[MB]

What makes you think Calvinists do not fulfill the Great Commission?

It seems to me that you do not tell any one how to be saved because you believe Salvation is predetermined and will happen any way. Of course none of this is in scripture except in your interpretation and Philosophy of the scriptures.
MB

 

[Reformed1689]

It seems to me that you do not tell any one how to be saved because you believe Salvation is predetermined and will happen any way. Of course none of this is in scripture except in your interpretation and Philosophy of the scriptures.
MB

I'm going to ignore your second sentence because we will never agree there, but why does it seem to you that I do not tell anyone how to be saved? Where are you getting this from? I know there are fringe hyper-Calvinists that hold that position, but the vast majority of Calvinists don't take that approach at all and wholeheartedly fulfill the Great Commission. It seems to me that you have created a caricature of Calvinists that simply is not true.

 

[MB]

I'm going to ignore your second sentence because we will never agree there, but why does it seem to you that I do not tell anyone how to be saved? Where are you getting this from? I know there are fringe hyper-Calvinists that hold that position,

Granted most I've spoken to have the attitude they will be saved no matter what. It's been pre-determined they say. However I find no such reason to believe this is the case at all There is no scriptural support for this kind of thinking.If you believe in determinism then you must believe this as well. If it were true there is no need of the preaching of the gospel.

[QUOTE="Reformed1689, post: 2659196, member: 14683"
but the vast majority of Calvinists don't take that approach at all and wholeheartedly fulfill the Great Commission. It seems to me that you have created a caricature of Calvinists that simply is not true
.[/QUOTE]

Most I've met here certainly do
All I have to go on is what I'm told by Calvinist
As far as caricature Calvinist on this board have lumped all other Christians under the title of Armenianism, Pelagan, Universalist and others. Why Calvinist do this far more often. Then you come along and pretend you don't jump to conclusions of the positions of other faiths.At least I left you in the category of your own choosing. Whether you call your self reformed or Calvinist it's still the same thing.
MB

 

[Reformed1689]

Granted most I've spoken to have the attitude they will be saved no matter what. It's been pre-determined they say. However I find no such reason to believe this is the case at all There is no scriptural support for this kind of thinking.If you believe in determinism then you must believe this as well. If it were true there is no need of the preaching of the gospel.

[QUOTE="Reformed1689, post: 2659196, member: 14683"
but the vast majority of Calvinists don't take that approach at all and wholeheartedly fulfill the Great Commission. It seems to me that you have created a caricature of Calvinists that simply is not true
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Most I've met here certainly do
All I have to go on is what I'm told by Calvinist
As far as caricature Calvinist on this board have lumped all other Christians under the title of Armenianism, Pelagan, Universalist and others. Why Calvinist do this far more often. Then you come along and pretend you don't jump to conclusions of the positions of other faiths.At least I left you in the category of your own choosing. Whether you call your self reformed or Calvinist it's still the same thing.
MB[/QUOTE]
My point is that time and time again you have demonstrated on these forums that you only know the caricature of Calvinism and you do not actually know what Reformed teaching really is (biblical). You say we do not evangelize, but that could not be further from the truth.

 

[MB]

Most I've met here certainly do
All I have to go on is what I'm told by Calvinist
As far as caricature Calvinist on this board have lumped all other Christians under the title of Armenianism, Pelagan, Universalist and others. Why Calvinist do this far more often. Then you come along and pretend you don't jump to conclusions of the positions of other faiths.At least I left you in the category of your own choosing. Whether you call your self reformed or Calvinist it's still the same thing.
MB

My point is that time and time again you have demonstrated on these forums that you only know the caricature of Calvinism and you do not actually know what Reformed teaching really is (biblical). You say we do not evangelize, but that could not be further from the truth.[/QUOTE]
Not so; I do know what reformed is it's Calvinism plain and simple It's just another name for the same thing.
MB

 

[Reformed1689]

My point is that time and time again you have demonstrated on these forums that you only know the caricature of Calvinism and you do not actually know what Reformed teaching really is (biblical). You say we do not evangelize, but that could not be further from the truth.

Not so; I do know what reformed is it's Calvinism plain and simple It's just another name for the same thing.
MB[/QUOTE]
And you don't understand or know what we believe. Period.

 

[Yeshua1]

It seems to me that you do not tell any one how to be saved because you believe Salvation is predetermined and will happen any way. Of course none of this is in scripture except in your interpretation and Philosophy of the scriptures.
MB

ONLY Hyper Calvinist hold to that, as majority of us hold that the elect must hear the Gospel in order to confirm their election and salvation!