The Flat Earth myth and the Bible.

[John of Japan]

And the myth was that science and the church taught the earth was flat at one time. While there were a few they were a miniority

Good link! Unlike some of these posters, I actually watched it, and it was fascinating and very well done. I urge you guys who think Christianity (even the Catholics) ever taught that the world is flat to actually view the video. It conclusively proves the opposite.

 

[John of Japan]

Well lets see what the God of creations states about it in his word.
Psalms 100:5 You who laid the foundations of the earth. So that it (the Earth) should not be moved forever.
So in this one scripture we have been told the earth does not MOVE. And how could it it has pillars below it.

"Foundations of the earth" (Ps. 104:5) is an idiom, not a statement of literal fact. Idioms are not meant to be taken literally. (Ever seen it actually rain cats and dogs?)

Sir Issac Newton produces a number of theories about the natural world. And not one of them is a law. Example is there such a thing as gravity. You live in a ocean of H20. Things float in bodies of water. And H2O is a body of water. So you have buoyancy at work not gravity. If gravity was really so power full that it keeps everything down on the earth. How is it millions of birds are not affected it. Balloons over come it daily. And it sure seems fickle. It does not exist. You simple do not need the law of gravity to explain how buoyancy works. Newtons work has been shown to be flawed many times.

In the water, bouyancy and gravity are at work simultaneously, otherwise nothing would ever sink in the water. Use your brain, man. This is common sense, not even science.

I highly recommend you watch the video in the OP. It will help you. Unlike "foundations of the earth," "circle of the earth" (Is. 40:22) is a statement of fact, not an idiom. The Bible teaches that the world is round. End of story.

 

[FollowTheWay]

That is really good! Thanks for linking it. There was some guy on the BB not too long ago saying that the writers of the Bible believed the earth was flat.

Once again, the Bible is not a scientific journal. Of course the authors of the Bible believed that the earth was flat. That was the prevailing scientific view. Look at The Flat Earth..

"The Bible is, from Genesis to Revelation, a flat-earth book. ...While the Bible nowhere states categorically that the earth is flat, numerous Old Testament verses clearly show that the ancient Hebrews were flat-earthers.

That the earth was considered essentially flat is clear from Daniel, who said, "I saw a tree of great height at the centre of the earth; the tree grew and became strong, reaching with its top to the sky and visible to the earth's farthest bounds." (Daniel 4:10-11) Only on a flat earth could one see a tree reaching the sky (dome?) from "the earth's farthest bounds."

The New Testament also implies a flat earth. For instance, Matthew 4:8 says that "The devil took him [Jesus] to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world in their glory." From a sufficiently high mountain, one could see all of the kingdoms of the world “but only if the earth were flat. The same applies to Revelation 1:7, which says that at the second coming, "Every eye shall see him." Finally, Revelation 7:1 refers to "the four corners of the earth," and corners are not generally associated with spheres.

The Biblical cosmos model derives from Egyptian sources, which had a flat earth covered by a rounded sky vault supported at the four corners of the earth by high mountains. The 'waters above and the waters below' in the book of Genesis refer to the Babylonian notion that the waters were divided, and some remained above the sky vault. The vault was like a leaky roof and some of that water falls down as rain.

 

[Steven Yeadon]

Once again, the Bible is not a scientific journal. Of course the authors of the Bible believed that the earth was flat. That was the prevailing scientific view. Look at The Flat Earth..

"The Bible is, from Genesis to Revelation, a flat-earth book. ...While the Bible nowhere states categorically that the earth is flat, numerous Old Testament verses clearly show that the ancient Hebrews were flat-earthers.

That the earth was considered essentially flat is clear from Daniel, who said, "I saw a tree of great height at the centre of the earth; the tree grew and became strong, reaching with its top to the sky and visible to the earth's farthest bounds." (Daniel 4:10-11) Only on a flat earth could one see a tree reaching the sky (dome?) from "the earth's farthest bounds."

The New Testament also implies a flat earth. For instance, Matthew 4:8 says that "The devil took him [Jesus] to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world in their glory." From a sufficiently high mountain, one could see all of the kingdoms of the world “but only if the earth were flat. The same applies to Revelation 1:7, which says that at the second coming, "Every eye shall see him." Finally, Revelation 7:1 refers to "the four corners of the earth," and corners are not generally associated with spheres.

The Biblical cosmos model derives from Egyptian sources, which had a flat earth covered by a rounded sky vault supported at the four corners of the earth by high mountains. The 'waters above and the waters below' in the book of Genesis refer to the Babylonian notion that the waters were divided, and some remained above the sky vault. The vault was like a leaky roof and some of that water falls down as rain.

Those arguments are from the very pit of hell and are doctrines of demons. The bible is the Word of God that shall remain true for eternity, long after this universe is folded up like a scroll. To interpret the bible you must have faith God Himself wrote it, among many other things.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Those arguments are from the very pit of hell and are doctrines of demons. The bible is the Word of God that shall remain true for eternity, long after this universe is folded up like a scroll. To interpret the bible you must have faith God Himself wrote it, among many other things.

I resent and reject your characterization of this statement. Who do you think you are? I'll give you a clue. You're not the Judge but you'll have a chance to talk to Him one day.

 

[FollowTheWay]

The flat Earth model is an archaic conception of Earth's shape as a plane or disk. Many ancient cultures subscribed to a flat Earth cosmography, including Greece until the classical period, the Bronze Age and Iron Age civilizations of the Near East until the Hellenistic period, India until the Gupta period (early centuries AD), and China until the 17th century. That paradigm was also typically held in the aboriginal cultures of the Americas, and the notion of a flat Earth domed by the firmament in the shape of an inverted bowl was common in pre-scientific societies.[1]

The earliest reliably documented mention of the spherical Earth concept dates from around the 6th century BC when it appeared in ancient Greek philosophy[1][2] but remained a matter of speculation until the 3rd century BC, when Hellenistic astronomy established the spherical shape of the Earth as a physical given. The paradigm was gradually adopted throughout the Old World during Late Antiquity and the Middle Ages.[3][4][5][6] A practical demonstration of Earth's spherical shape was achieved by Ferdinand Magellan and Juan Sebastián Elcano's expedition's circumnavigation (1519−1522).[7]

To my knowledge, the Old Testament was written between about 750 B.C. to 150 B.C. Towards the end of that period there were some early believers in a spherical earth but the widespread belief in a flat earth continued well into the Middle Ages. It was a myth that Columbus thought he was sailing across a flat earth so essentially by his time that idea had been largely abandoned.

 

[TCassidy]

The Globe earth was just disproved with simple 3 grade math.

And you just flunked 3rd grade math! LOL!

So a person at the widest part of the earth (equator) travels at 12000 miles ( distance ) in 24 Hours =the speed would be 288000 miles per 24 hours or .

No, it would be 24000 miles per 24 hours, or 1000 miles per hour. And the farther north or south that you go, the diameter of the earth would decrease. Two thirds of the way to the pole you would only be traveling 500 miles per hour. And at the pole you would be stationary, just turning in a full circle in 24 hours.

Everything you have posted has proven to be false.

 

[rlvaughn]

Does the Bible teach that the Earth is flat? Did pre-scientific people really think that the Earth was flat? Watch Richard and Calvin debunk the Bible skeptics who misuse various Bible passages to suggest that the Bible says that the Earth is flat.

Media Center - creation.com

Thanks for the link. I enjoyed listening to it.

 

[Joseph shall add]

And you just flunked 3rd grade math! LOL!

No, it would be 24000 miles per 24 hours, or 1000 miles per hour. And the farther north or south that you go, the diameter of the earth would decrease. Two thirds of the way to the pole you would only be traveling 500 miles per hour. And at the pole you would be stationary, just turning in a full circle in 24 hours.

Everything you have posted has proven to be false.

That all sound great until you understand one simple thing. If you have a globe with a axis every were on the earth it is moving a the same speed around the axis. Thus it takes 24 hours weather at the equator or 1000 above it or below or a mile from the top or the bottom. And they say we be on a pear shaped globe what ever that would be. HALF way up would be less distance. So you cover less land mass actually which is less distance. The speed is increasing because the rotation is about a fixed axis. Time is fixed. Distance is variable. Speed can only increase and is directly proportional to the distance traveled. Less distance traveled in a short time means greater speeds. Which blows the Balls globe theory out of the water. Simple said God told in his God breathed word we are on a flat dish i will trust him.

 

[TCassidy]

The speed is increasing because the rotation is about a fixed axis.

Yes, but speed is d/t, distance divided by time. Where the time (24 hours) is the same, but the distance is 1/2, then the speed is also half.

Less distance traveled in a short time means greater speeds.

No. Less distance traveled in the same time means less speed. Remember the formula s=d/t (speed equals distance divided by time). At the equator (d) 24000 miles / (t) 24 hours = (s) 1000 mph.

Your math skills are less well developed than my 8 year old grandson's. And because you don't seem to understand how little you actually know, you insist on making a public fool of yourself.

And you are not only mathematically illiterate, you seem also to be biblically illiterate. The bible makes it clear the earth is not flat. It is round!

Isaiah 40:22 It is he who sits above the circle of the earth (חוג), and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.

 

[Joseph shall add]

What does the bible have to say about it.
4 corners of the earth Isaiah 11:12 Revelation 7:1 Revelation 20:8
Still earth, 1 chronicles 16:30, Psalms 96:10 Psalm 93:1
Pillars 1 Samuel 2"8, Job 9:6 Psalm 75:3
Firmament Dome Isaiah 24:18, Isaiah 13:13, Genesis 1:6 (Firmament solid expanse )
Isaiah 44:24, Psalms 18:9, 2 Samuel 22:10
Sun 67 scriptures refer to the son and none of them refer to the earth moving. But the sun stood still.
Bible codes matrix Luke 13: 28 to Luke 14. The words found flat, earth, dome, canopy, tent, truth, edge, disc and more.
bible code wisdom .com You can do it for free.
height and depth job 11:8
length and width. Job 11:9
wisdom Colossians 2:8, 1 Timothy 6:20 False science, 1 Corinthians 3:19
ice wall / day and night Job 26:10 He hath compassed the waters with (Ice Wall) bounds, until the day and night come to an end
earth foundations, Job 38:4, Isaiah 48:13
footstool Isaiah 66:1, Matthew 5:35, Acts 7:49 What does a foot stool look like? Pillars and a flat top.
Desktop Globe Exodus 20:4, Isaiah 42:8
Stars, Matthew 24:29, Mark 13:25, Revelation 6:13 how can a massive star fall to the earth. They are tiny. The star that came before Jesus was not millions of miles away. It was near and directly over his birth place. Just a few miles away.
Suns path Psalms 96:10 the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved. This earth does not go around the sun.
The sun has a path its circuit it travel. Psalms 19:6
Circle Isaiah 40:22 Isaiah 22:18, Psalms 33:14 God looks upon all the inhabitants of the earth from his thrown. At the same time.
are you deceived about the ball earth Matthew 24:24, 2 Thessalonians 2:3, Ephesians 5:6
End of earth Job 37:3, Daniel 4:11, ((Proverbs 30:4))
have you inherited lies Jeremiah 16:19
4 winds Jeremiah 49:36, Daniel 7:2, Matthew 24:32, Revelation 7:1 As in the jet streams there are 4 of them discovered in 1920.
Revelation 7:1 is worth studying greatly.
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven (not plural) and the earth.
Luke 8:17 for nothing is hid that shall not be made manifest; nor {anything} secret, that shall not be known and come to light.

 

[Joseph shall add]

TCassidy that Cemetry were you the president of. Did they teach the bible at that place. The simple truth is we know less the those whom were before us concerning veiled things. But the earth is not a veiled thing and the bible is very clear about it.
God created the earth standing in and out of waters. The firmament is above us. The earth sets in waters still and the dry land came up out of the waters. When you look up you are seeing the luminaries (stars) and they are below the firmament and those are small lights not large at all. Computer generated graphics are a end time deception. Nothing passes through the firmament. When Nimrod attempted to break through the firmament to shoot God with a arrow. God punished them all. The US Navy fired off Nuclear warheads in the Pacific trying to do the same thing back in the 50 and 60 the result was ice sheets that came down after the explosions. Massive ice sheets. They were caused by the compression of the biosphere against the firmament. Nothing will pass through the firmament as God controls that himself. You might want to study the lithosphere a little more. Because science is not science today. Just fiction for the most part.

 

[TCassidy]

Can't help but notice you still have not answered my post. Would you like me to post it for the 3rd time?

 

[Joseph shall add]

QUOTE TCassidy No. Less distance traveled in the same time means less speed. Remember the formula s=d/t (speed equals distance divided by time). At the equator (d) 24000 miles / (t) 24 hours = (s) 1000 mph. ((( So you say 24000 divided by 24 is 1000))) According to my 30 year old $500.00 engineering calculator it should be 1000.00

QUOTE TCassidy "Your math skills are less well developed than my 8 year old grandson's. And because you don't seem to understand how little you actually know, you insist on making a public fool of yourself.

Have you not read he whom calls another fool is in danger of the judgement.

And why do you think believing my Fathers word makes me a fool. Please explain yourself.

 

[TCassidy]

So you say 24000 divided by 24 is 1000))) According to my 30 year old $500.00 engineering calculator it should be 1000.00

No, 1/3 of the way from either pole to the equator has a circumference 1/2 of the total circumference of the equator.

Each circumference is divided into 360 degrees.

Every section of a sphere made by a plane is a circle.

All circles which pass through the geometric center of the sphere are of equal size/circumference (this is usually called the "great circle" or the "great circumference").

All circles which do not pass through the geometric center of the sphere are smaller.

The farther from the center of the sphere these smaller circles pass, the smaller they are.

Look at the parallels of longitude. As you leave the equator and approach the pole the distance between the parallels gets smaller until they all touch at the pole.

So, 1/2 the equatorial circumference at 2/3 of the way from either pole would be 12,000 miles (24,000 / 2 = 12,000), and thus 1/2 the speed (distance/time) would be 500 miles per hour.

This is 8th grade geometry. Not at all that difficult.

 

[Joseph shall add]

According to the rules of this chat room you have directly insulted me and attacked me i expect an apology.

 

[TCassidy]

Who are you addressing?

 

[Joseph shall add]

you

 

[TCassidy]

Where have I insulted you? Please provide a quote and post #.

 

[Joseph shall add]

TCassidy

No. Less distance traveled in the same time means less speed. Remember the formula s=d/t (speed equals distance divided by time). At the equator (d) 24000 miles / (t) 24 hours = (s) 1000 mph.

Your math skills are less well developed than my 8 year old grandson's. And because you don't seem to understand how little you actually know, you insist on making a public fool of yourself.

Same thing as calling me a fool. Would that make you a hypocrite?