The Flat Earth myth and the Bible.

[InTheLight]

I used this calculator. Earth Radius by Latitude Calculator

The circumference I get at 30 deg N is 12444 miles, which is about half the circumference at the equator.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!! That thing is broken.

I ran a bunch of different latitudes through it and got roughly the same answer every time!

 

[InTheLight]

The calculation for the circumference of the earth is a simple trig problem. Basically you take the cosine of the latitude and multiply it by the circumference at the equator.

So:

Circumference at 30 latitude= (cos 30) * (circumference at equator)

Circumference at 30 latitude = (0.866) * (24,000 miles)

Circumference at 30 latitude = 20,784 miles

Since we are looking for the latitude where the circumference is one-half of the circumference at the equator, we are looking for an angle with a cosine of 0.5. That angle is 60 degrees. So the latitude where the circumference is about 12,000 miles is at 60 degrees N.

More here:
http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/54158.html

 

[FollowTheWay]

First of all, have you listened to the video linked to in the OP? It successfully debunks everything in the article you have linked to.

Secondly, you have insufficiently sourced your extended quote. (To everyone: in spite of the weird quotation marks set up, everything in FollowTheWay's post is from the website except the first sentence.) The website itself is run by an anti-Christian physicist, Donald E. Simanek. However, the extended quote is Simanek quoting from Robert J. Schadewald, an anti-creationism science writer who delighted in mis-representing creationism by linking it with the flat earth error.

So essentially, FollowTheWay, you are teaming up with anti-Christian people with your post. Are you comfortable with that?

You seem to have disregarded my more recent post #5 in which I added additional i9nformation. I'm not teaming up with anyone. I'm looking for the truth as revealed to man.

 

[John of Japan]

To my knowledge, the Old Testament was written between about 750 B.C. to 150 B.C. Towards the end of that period there were some early believers in a spherical earth but the widespread belief in a flat earth continued well into the Middle Ages. It was a myth that Columbus thought he was sailing across a flat earth so essentially by his time that idea had been largely abandoned.

No conservative Bible scholar follows your statement that "the Old Testament was written between about 750 B.C. to 150 B.C. You are once again following liberals. No conservative believes this about the writing of the OT. To believe this you must believe there are numerous errors of fact in the Bible--just for starters that the Torah was written by Moses. You are therefore calling Jesus a liar, since He attributed the Torah to Moses (Matt. 8:4, 19:7, etc.).

 

[John of Japan]

You seem to have disregarded my more recent post #5 in which I added additional i9nformation. I'm not teaming up with anyone. I'm looking for the truth as revealed to man.

Post #5 is not your post. You'll have to be more specific.

In the meanwhile, I stand by my post. You are quoting from the enemies of Christ to defend your position.

Question: Have you actually watched the video in the OP? Until you do, you are barking up the wrong tree.

 

[John of Japan]

Once again, the Bible is not a scientific journal. Of course the authors of the Bible believed that the earth was flat. That was the prevailing scientific view. Look at The Flat Earth..

"The Bible is, from Genesis to Revelation, a flat-earth book. ...While the Bible nowhere states categorically that the earth is flat, numerous Old Testament verses clearly show that the ancient Hebrews were flat-earthers.

That the earth was considered essentially flat is clear from Daniel, who said, "I saw a tree of great height at the centre of the earth; the tree grew and became strong, reaching with its top to the sky and visible to the earth's farthest bounds." (Daniel 4:10-11) Only on a flat earth could one see a tree reaching the sky (dome?) from "the earth's farthest bounds."

Your anti-God source is showing his ignorance. Daniel was seeing a vision, for crying out loud. The visions, especially in the OT, is in a special genre, not intended to show a factual situation, but designed by God to communicate truth metaphorically, usually prophetic truth in the OT.

The New Testament also implies a flat earth. For instance, Matthew 4:8 says that "The devil took him [Jesus] to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world in their glory." From a sufficiently high mountain, one could see all of the kingdoms of the world “but only if the earth were flat. The same applies to Revelation 1:7, which says that at the second coming, "Every eye shall see him." Finally, Revelation 7:1 refers to "the four corners of the earth," and corners are not generally associated with spheres.

Again, your anti-God source is anti-supernatural. This passage in Matthew is about a supernatural event. Your source would deny all supernatural events, so he naturally takes this supernatural event, which if one allows miracles (and I do, but your source does not), is entirely possible.

As for the Rev. 1:7 quote, it is once again a supernatural event. For crying out loud, even now things happen that are immediately visible to people all over the globe. I've been to two different 3rd world nations, and everyone there--everyone--had cell phones, and most were i-phones.

As for the "four corners of the earth," your anti-God source may be hot stuff (an idiom) in physics, but doesn't know beans (an idiom) about linguistics, or even basic English usage. The phrase, "four corners of the earth" is an idiom, not a statement of belief. "An idiom is an expression whose meaning cannot be derived from the individual words in the expression" (College Grammar and Composition Handbook, by James Chapman, p. 123).

The Biblical cosmos model derives from Egyptian sources, which had a flat earth covered by a rounded sky vault supported at the four corners of the earth by high mountains. The 'waters above and the waters below' in the book of Genesis refer to the Babylonian notion that the waters were divided, and some remained above the sky vault. The vault was like a leaky roof and some of that water falls down as rain.

Your anti-God source simply stated this with no proof. I dare you to prove this.

 

[FollowTheWay]

No conservative Bible scholar follows your statement that "the Old Testament was written between about 750 B.C. to 150 B.C. You are once again following liberals. No conservative believes this about the writing of the OT. To believe this you must believe there are numerous errors of fact in the Bible--just for starters that the Torah was written by Moses. You are therefore calling Jesus a liar, since He attributed the Torah to Moses (Matt. 8:4, 19:7, etc.).

What is it with you? I would prefer that you try to have a Christian discussion rather than name-calling and saying that I'm calling Jesus a liar? What makes you the expert on this topic?

Introduction to the Pentateuch

Wolf (An Introduction to the Old Testament Pentateuch) has noted that few subjects in Old Testament studies have generated more discussion and more disagreement than the question of who wrote the Pentateuch. Opinions range widely with some arguing that every word was written by Moses, while others insist that Moses had nothing whatever to do with the writing of the Pentateuch. Instead it is claimed that certain ancient sources, labeled J, E, P, and D, were the original documents from which the Pentateuch was formed, and that the writers of these alleged documents, the so-called Yahwist, Elohist, Priestly Code writer, and the Deuteronomist, are regarded as the true authors of the Pentateuch. (See, Archer 1985:83-108, and Wolf 1991:62-70, for a detailed discussion of the documentary hypothesis of the Pentateuch.)

Herbert Martin Wolf was a Professor of Old Testament at Wheaton College and member of NIV Translation Committee. What are your credentials? Besides, how do you explain the fact that the last chapter of Deuteronomy discusses Moses' death and burial?

 

[FollowTheWay]

Post #5 is not your post. You'll have to be more specific.

In the meanwhile, I stand by my post. You are quoting from the enemies of Christ to defend your position.

Question: Have you actually watched the video in the OP? Until you do, you are barking up the wrong tree.

[Personal attack edited] I copied the post number incorrectly. It should have been #50. [Personal attack edited]

 

[TCassidy]

What is it with you?

He is a bible believer trying to correct your error of accepting theological liberalism?

What makes you the expert on this topic?

Uh, he is a bible college professor?

Wolf (An Introduction to the Old Testament Pentateuch)

So you quote a theological liberal to prove you don't quote theological liberals?

You do realize that Moses lived around 1500 BC, right? And you claimed the Pentateuch was written in 750 BC, late dating it, as do the liberals, and thus claiming that Jesus lied when he said Moses wrote it, as Moses would have been dead for 700 years or so by 750 BC.

Do you know anything at all about the bible? Anything?

 

[TCassidy]

Here, a little time line for you.

Moses born. 1525 BC
40 years learning to be the son of Pharaohs daughter. 1525-1485 BC
40 years on the back side of the dessert. 1485-1445
Exodus. 1445 BC
Wilderness wanderings. 1445-1405
Moses Died. 1405 BC
Joshua took over as leader of Israel. 1405
Conquest of the Promised Land. 1405-1398.

(All dates inclusive.)

Do you see now how your claim that Genesis was written in 750 BC calls Jesus a liar?

 

[FollowTheWay]

He is a bible believer trying to correct your error of accepting theological liberalism?


Uh, he is a bible college professor?
So you quote a theological liberal to prove you don't quote theological liberals?

You do realize that Moses lived around 1500 BC, right? And you claimed the Pentateuch was written in 750 BC, late dating it, as do the liberals, and thus claiming that Jesus lied when he said Moses wrote it, as Moses would have been dead for 700 years or so by 750 BC.

Do you know anything at all about the bible? Anything?

Wolf is a theological liberal? He says that this has been a topic of debate for a long time. How do you account for the fact that Moses' death and burial are described in the last chapter of Deuteronomy? Actually, I will admit a mistake. I've made more than a few. But I can't deal with self-righteous people like you two. Yes, I do know a fair amount about the Bible and I know a heck of a lot more about science than you do.

 

[rlvaughn]

Herbert Martin Wolf was a Professor of Old Testament at Wheaton College and member of NIV Translation Committee...

More references to Wolf, via your linked source:

Wolf (1991:53) has observed that a number of passages in the Pentateuch assert that Moses wrote at least part of it.

The Pentateuch is not the only portion of the Old Testament which associates these five books with Moses (Wolf 1991:54).

The authorship connection between Moses and the Pentateuch is even more direct in the New Testament (Wolf 1991:55)...

 

[FollowTheWay]

More references to Wolf, via your linked source:

I was using him as a source to show that the authorship of the Pentateuch has been debated for a long time among Biblical scholars. I'm not automatically a liberal theologically if I raise that question.

 

[rlvaughn]

How do you account for the fact that Moses' death and burial are described in the last chapter of Deuteronomy?

In the 31st chapter there seems to be a pretty clear to Moses completing this book -- cf. verses 9, 24-26 -- and that his writing ended at that time and Joshua was presented as his replacement. The beginning of chapter 32 seems to be the song referred to in chapter 31, and the conclusion could have then easily been supplied by Joshua.

 

[TCassidy]

How do you account for the fact that Moses' death and burial are described in the last chapter of Deuteronomy?

Uh, he died?

I can't deal with self-righteous people like you two.

John and I are not self-righteous. Our righteousness is in Christ, our Lord and Savior. I trust yours is too.

Yes, I do know a fair amount about the Bible and I know a heck of a lot more about science than you do.

You don't seem to know all that much about the bible judging by the posts you have put in this thread.

I am certainly no scientist, but prior to being called into ministry my first vocation was in Nuclear Engineering. That gave me a fair understanding of science and math.

 

[TCassidy]

I'm not automatically a liberal theologically if I raise that question.

You are when you use rank unbelievers to support your "flat earth" nonsense.

And you are when you agree with Modernists that the Pentateuch was written in 750 BC, almost 700 years after Moses died.

 

[FollowTheWay]

I was using him as a source to show that the authorship of the Pentateuch has been debated for a long time among Biblical scholars.

You are when you use rank unbelievers to support your "flat earth" nonsense.

And you are when you agree with Modernists that the Pentateuch was written in 750 BC, almost 700 years after Moses died.

You know nothing about science. If you did you'd know there was a period when the earth was thought to be flat. You're way out of you're league on this one.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Uh, he died?

John and I are not self-righteous. Our righteousness is in Christ, our Lord and Savior. I trust yours is too.

You don't seem to know all that much about the bible judging by the posts you have put in this thread.

I am certainly no scientist, but prior to being called into ministry my first vocation was in Nuclear Engineering. That gave me a fair understanding of science and math.

Now you're questioning whether Moses died?

Deu 31:14 ¶
And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thy days approach that thou must die: call Joshua, and present yourselves in the tabernacle of the congregation, that I may give him a charge. And Moses and Joshua went, and presented themselves in the tabernacle of the congregation.

 

[FollowTheWay]

You are when you use rank unbelievers to support your "flat earth" nonsense.

And you are when you agree with Modernists that the Pentateuch was written in 750 BC, almost 700 years after Moses died.

The question about whether the theory of a flat earth ever existed is not a Biblical question. It's an historical and scientific question.

 

[Joseph shall add]

The foucault pendulum has always interested me actually. But to be frank it does not prove the Coriolis effect. Is does prove that there are sum atomic relationships between metals. That being that the sub atomic array alignment of molecules in metals creates attraction. When i was crossing the equator in the Navy on the ships the toilets did not spin backwards as the rotation of water as it is draining is not affected by the Coriolis effect, the water flows according to the designers design on the base of the toilet of sink. Also was true in other lands on that side of the equator. In the fourcault pendulum the fact that the ball only swings in one line actually proves the earth is not spinning thru space. As in a pear shaped globe spinning at 60,000 mph I think if you will study the 24hour time snapshots they provide on the Foucault pendulum — Geophysics Homepage you might be amazed as to what you may actually seeing. Because it looks like rotational model of the sun moving over the flat earth. Just interesting.

Deception is build one layer at a time. For a period of 4500 years cultures all over the planet held that the earth was a flat earth. The dark ages did not bring about that revelation.
The bible tell all that in the last days great deception will enter into the earth. Darwin published a book in 1859 On the origin of species by natural selection. This is one example of that process of deception. And we all know that there have been volumes of frauds and lies when it comes to Darwin stuff. Lies upon lies.

The same goes for the globe earth. A good way to identify satans fraud system is to follow the money. Satan funds his kingdom just like Jesus funds his. If satan is behind it then his money is given unto his work. Whom puts money into the abortion industry satan. Whom funds Darwin's Theory satan. Whom funds NASA satan. The bible tells us the scriptures are profitable for casting down imaginations. Well i have posted 70 scriptures casting down the globe earth. God gave those scriptures for a reason.