The flimsy foundation of ME

But, he did repent. Unrepentant indicates a refusal to repent. We may resist for awhile, but through the discipline of God we turn back to Him, and "afterwards it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness".

 

JJump,
How are we made holy?

Is it possible to be holy as God is holy? If so, how?

 

A person who show's the above qualities is not saved. True salvation brings the indwelling of the Holy Spirit which convicts us of sin. A saved person has no desire to act in the above manor.

1Jo 2:1 ¶ My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

A Christian isn't perfect and will sin on occasion. When we sin we have Jesus as our advocate. However, sinning and living in sin are two different things.

Your gospel J Jump just doesn't work in light of the gospel of grace.

 

Just because you have the final ending doesn't mean anything. All that does is leave you a loop hole to back out of your senseless theology.

Again are you reading the same posts I am?

How long do you get? A day? A week? A month? A year? 5 years? 10 years? 25 years? 50 years?

Again you keep posting but you have given NO Scripture to back up your claim. Please show me where is says we are guaranteed to repent.

I know that can't be true, because you have admitted several times before that people are going to die with unconfessed sin, which means guess what . . . that wasn't repented of either.

So many holes.

 

Sorry, but that's your opinion. That's not backed up by Scripture. Scripture says believe and you WILL BE SAVED. That doesn't say you WILL BE SAVED as long as you don't practice sin or you confess all your sin or whatever else you want to tag on. Believe and you are saved. Period. End of Biblical discussion. All else is added by man.

 

You are right they are two different things, but if you think a saved person can't live in sin then you are fooling yourself, because the Bible says you will reap what you sow. If you sow (that's not an occasional sin) to the flesh you are going to reap corruption.

There's just so many more examples that can be said to squash "your" theology.

 

Well J Jump the scripture says to believe in your heart. There is head belief and heart belief. Head belief is easy, heart belief comes only by the work of God.

Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

If your belief doesn't come from the Father then you don't have heart belief. If you don't have heart belief you aren't saved.

Mt 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

Repeating my question:
Do you belong to the true church or not?

And a couple new ones:
Will you spend the 1000 years in the lake of fire or not?

How did you arrive at your answer?



BGTF

 

Then why do you say that a person can stop believing, yet they are still saved?

Also, you didn't answer my questions:

How are we made holy?

Is it possible for human beings to be holy as God is holy?

 

1. "To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours" (1 Corinthians 1:2).

2. At the moment of trust in Christ, at salvation, we are sanctified, and we are saints by calling.

3. Do saints sin? Absolutely!

 

Well, maybe JJump will answer our questions tomorrow. I will bring them up again. I would like to know how he thinks we are made holy.

 

I've already answered that Amy. The Bible doesn't require faith outside of the very moment a person believes. If after that person believes and 15 years goes by and they suddenly decide that they don't believe in God/Christ/Spirit anymore it doesn't matter because they are not required to believe 15 years after. There everlasting life was secured 15 years prior.

Do you think God would demand something of you that was impossible? He commanded us to be holy as He is holy. Does God require the impossible and then not provide a way? I don't think so. Scripture doesn't indicate that in any way.

 

Is every profession of faith in Christ genuine and therefore pronounces the person saved?

 

If a person professes that Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God died on their behalf a sinner then absolutely yes everyone of those professions pronounces that person saved according to Scripture.

 

Is everyone profession of faith in Christ genuine?

 

I'll Jjump in here, but you probably won't like my answer. I would hope you would at least prayerfully consider my argument before popping off with some sarcastic remark about how I believe this or that.

You and jump are both correct. (Although he might agree with your side, but say you're missing the other side of the coin)

There are two kinds of Righteousness in the Bible, positional (When God looks at me all he sees is Jesus) and practical. (This is the kind attained by obeying the scriptures that tell (those already "positionally" holy) to resist temptation, to mortify the flesh, to wrestle, to run, to fight, to work, etc.

Let me show you some examples in scripture:

Here is, in my opinion, Paul just saying, "Hey! I am speaking to Christians here!" So this holiness is the absolute holiness of Christ that we all have automatically as a free gift when we believe. This holiness is based on Christ's atoning blood alone, and can have no help from anything that we do.

OTOH, here are some clear examples of commands for those of us already made holy in an absolute and positional sense, to WALK holy. There is a holiness that we must attain to, fight for, and work toward. This holiness is based on the blood of Christ now acting as our high priest and sanctifying our filthy-rag works. Now our works are made acceptable to the Father, (and neither automatic, nor optional.)

In this passage you again see that we are to walk in "holy conversation" (lifestyle), not just walk in holy salvation.

 

The thing is, if "professors" are being addressed, then there is one gospel for an unbeliever, "Believe on the finished work of Christ" and another gospel for "False professors", "Be a good boy and don't sin."

You end up with much more serious problems than a believer in Hell for 1000 years. You end up with a works based doctrine.

 

1. Your either/or fallacy has failed to answer my question.

2. I will ask it again: Is every profession of faith in Christ genuine?

 

It's not your question that i have a problem with. It's the apparant implication. You seem to be saying that, since their might be some folks who are unsaved (false professors) hanging around, that the warnings are somehow directed to them, rather than the "true" Christians.

I cannot say whether or not a man's confession is genuine. I can say that if he has ever once believed, in the finished work of Christ's atoning sacrifice on his behalf, that he is saved.

I also believe that whether or not a "confession is genuine" makes no difference doctrinally in the passages we are discussing, because it doesn't change who the warnings are addressed to.


In Christ, lacy