Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Justified by his blood, yes; but justified by FAITH in his blood.
We are justified by faith, as the Bible clearly states.
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The Freewill Invitation system is a False Gospel
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Justified by his blood, yes; but justified by FAITH in his blood.
We are justified by faith, as the Bible clearly states.
savedbymercy
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Justified by Faith is True, however you reject that before that comes Justification by the Blood of Christ alone Rom 5:9, and Rom 4:25 is evidence that Christ's blood satisfied God's Law and Justice on behalf of those He died for, and the resurrection openly declared them Justified before God, and you deny that.
Christ did not need to be justified. What heresy is this?
It wasn't Christ that needed justification; it was man.
Christ paid the penalty for our sins. He paid that penalty with his blood. He shed his blood for our sins, for the sins of the whole world, as it plainly says in 1John 2:2.
All who put their faith in that sacrifice will be or are justified.
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Where did I say Christ needed to be Justified ? Please show the quote of admit that you are misreprenting me and being dishonest !
Where did I say Christ needed to be Justified ? Please show the quote of admit that you are misreprenting me and being dishonest !
savedbymercy
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Justified by Faith is True,
however you reject that before that comes Justification by the Blood of Christ alone Rom 5:9, and Rom 4:25 is evidence that Christ's blood satisfied God's Law and Justice on behalf of those He died for, and the resurrection openly declared them Justified before God, and you deny that.
however you reject that before that comes Justification by the Blood of Christ alone Rom 5:9, and Rom 4:25 is evidence that Christ's blood satisfied God's Law and Justice on behalf of those He died for, and the resurrection openly declared them Justified before God, and you deny that.
In regards to the opening post and the claim that the "free will invitation is false gospel"....
Who was Jesus addressing in Matthew 11? (see verse 7)
Jesus initially addressed the multitudes; was He speaking to all of them? The answer is unequivocably yes.
The point that savedbymercy needs to address is not the invitation, but the response.
We can shout scripture all day, to the mountains and the heavens, ensuring that hundreds, thousands, even hundreds of thousands hear it; but who will respond? (see verse 15)
savedbymercy is correct in the view that "come" is a command; just like "follow me" was a command. However, as with any command given by anyone, will the command be followed? See the example of the centurion (Matthew 8:9) Why would someone not obey the command? Because they're rebellious, they don't recognize the authority of the command giver. What happens to the one who doesn't obey the command? Punishment -- as in, in this case, the judgment.
The "invitation" is not false gospel. The command was said to the multitudes; but only the few will respond. The rest reject the command--the "invitation"--and continue on their path.
Who was Jesus addressing in Matthew 11? (see verse 7)
Jesus initially addressed the multitudes; was He speaking to all of them? The answer is unequivocably yes.
The point that savedbymercy needs to address is not the invitation, but the response.
We can shout scripture all day, to the mountains and the heavens, ensuring that hundreds, thousands, even hundreds of thousands hear it; but who will respond? (see verse 15)
savedbymercy is correct in the view that "come" is a command; just like "follow me" was a command. However, as with any command given by anyone, will the command be followed? See the example of the centurion (Matthew 8:9) Why would someone not obey the command? Because they're rebellious, they don't recognize the authority of the command giver. What happens to the one who doesn't obey the command? Punishment -- as in, in this case, the judgment.
The "invitation" is not false gospel. The command was said to the multitudes; but only the few will respond. The rest reject the command--the "invitation"--and continue on their path.
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That has been pointed out already, you are late or not observant. Matt 11:28
28Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
That has been pointed out already, you are late or not observant. Matt 11:28
28Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Yes, I'm late to the discussion; but I've read through all the pages, and I'm not unobservant.
As I posted: Look at verse 7.
When Jesus commanded, "come unto me," was He not speaking unto the multitudes present?
Your argument is that the words were meant only for those that would respond. I'm not denying that.
The same is with the "invitation." It is presented to all; but it isn't meant for all. It's meant only for those that will be saved. I can say to a church with 1,000 people in it, "Come to Christ"; only those that will be saved will actually come.
So again, the "invitation" isn't a false gospel. The command/invitation is issued to the multitudes; but is only meant for those that have ears to hear, and will respond.
I was in the midst of my response to savedbymercy when you wrote this; but I think what I wrote, and what you wrote here, is pretty much the same.Don, I realize this thread has become quite long, but I think I answered your question in post #75. I will quote it here so you don't have to search for it.
Look at Romans 3:25 and you will see that we are justified by faith "in his blood"
There is only "one" justification, or only one "way" to be justified.
We are justified by faith.
We are justified by faith in his blood, but we are justified by faith.
There is no way you can get away from faith.
You want to dissect justification. There is not more than one kind of justification--by blood, by faith, by Christ, by grace, etc.
What? Did Christ also need to be justified?
You take things to an extreme. That is what my point is.
It is simple. Read Rom.5:1
Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
savedbymercy
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Also, those Jesus was speaking to in Matt 11:28, whom He gave the command, not invitation, but imperative to, were those previously given to Him by the Father, as in Jn 6:37,44
37All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
Those being drawn by the Father
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Just anyone does not have the ability to come, nor the right to come to Christ !
37All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
Those being drawn by the Father
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Just anyone does not have the ability to come, nor the right to come to Christ !
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dhk
Then you deny the resurrection of Christ that gives evidence that everyone Christ died for mis Justified ! Rom 4:25
25Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
Then you deny the resurrection of Christ that gives evidence that everyone Christ died for mis Justified ! Rom 4:25
25Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
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savedbymercy
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No He did die for everyone, but only those written in the Lambs book of Life, written before the foundation. That is the world of Jn 1:29 whether you believe it or not !
Joh 1:29 The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world
Nope not there
savedbymercy
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Yes, the elect world ! Those who had their names written in the lambs boof of life from the foundation. That is the World. In case you did not know, a world is defined as such, :
any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort
ONLY benefits/effectual though to those who have received him by faith!
WestminsterMan
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It's not about what I believe. The only way you can get to your interpretation is to erroneously equate the "world" with some select group that isn't mentioned in the verse that you quoted.
Scripture makes it very clear:
John 3:16
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Look up the meaning of "whoever" and you will find that you are simply wrong.
WM
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