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JD731

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YokeFellow said:
Jesus is the Last Adam. There is more than one Adam.

*Their* name was Adam...

Genesis 5:2
"Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created."

'Their' means more than one.

By the way, none of you have acknowledged your very serious error of adding the word 'Spiritual' to Genesis 2:17.

What kind of death was it? Will anyone answer or will you folks keep playing games and denying?

Your silence speaks volumes.
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You have so many problems that fixing one is not going to help you much.
Here is what the Bible says about Adam and you and me in our natural and physical state,

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Adam was spiritually dead when he sinned. Death means separation and that is all it means. The wages of sin is death from Adam after he sinned through the present time. The Spirit of God is life now as well as for Adam when he was created and placed in the Garden with God. His sin separated him and his offspring from God and nary a person born of Adam had the Spirit of God dwelling in his body until God made him his gift to all who would believe him, God, and trust the sacrificial death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ for us.

Thank God for his goodness to us all through Jesus Christ, the only remedy for sin..
 
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YokeFellow

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37818 said:
Two things there. First, they, male and female were called Adam. Secondly, it was in "the day" singular, they were created*. Not days. It was, of course, the sixth day. Genesis 1:26-31, Genesis 2:7, and Genesis 2:21-24.
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*Recreated*

God did not lie. 'Surely die' means physical death and that is precisely what happened.

I invite you to prove that the phrase 'surely die' is not literal.
 
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kyredneck

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YokeFellow said:
John 8:44
"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

I believe Jesus was being literal. Moreover, we all come from Adam and Eve, therefore Jesus is teaching that something happened in the Garden of Eden to cause the Devil to be our Biological Father.

To put it plainly, the Forbidden Fruit was a Zygote. When the First Adam and Ishshah partook, they were literally choosing which parents to be conceived from. God simply honored their request and clothed them with the corrupt bodies we have now...
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What is a Zygote?

Where do you come up with this stuff?
 
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37818

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JD731 said:
No, it is not true. Your claim is completely without merit. Why do you think God has labored for 6000 years to renew men to his position before the fall? Jesus Christ is the first man since Adam who possessed the image of God and it was through his death and resurrection that God's image is restored in us by his blood washing away our sins so God can once again dwell in our bodies.

Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Why do you think men must be born again of the Spirit?

Don't you think there is a plan?
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Please read and undersrand my signature.

Romans 1:16, ". . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . ."

1 Corinthians 15:1-4, ". . . the gospel . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . "

1 John 5:1, ". . . Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . ."
 
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JD731

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YokeFellow said:
*Recreated*

God did not lie. 'Surely die' means physical death and that is precisely what happened.

I invite you to prove that the phrase 'surely die' is not literal.
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It is not what it means. Adam was separated from God from the time of his act of sin and cast out of the garden, not to see the face of God again. From that point sinners must approach God through a blood sacrifice. My approach is through the Lord Jesus Christ who shed his blood for me and satisfied a thrice holy God on my behalf. This is true of all sinners who will come to God in the name of Jesus Christ.
 
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37818

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YokeFellow said:
*Recreated*
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No. The Hebrew means created not recreated. Genesis 5:2.
YokeFellow said:
God did not lie. 'Surely die' means physical death and that is precisely what happened.

I invite you to prove that the phrase 'surely die' is not literal.
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Oh, it is literal. There are three deaths to death.
The three different deaths to death.

YokeFellow said:
The Second Death is the Lake of Fire.
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Jesus explained what death was in the second death. Matthew 10:28, ". . . fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. . . ."

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At issue is Adam, the man and woman were created on the sixth day. And you seem to think Genesis 2:5-6 must all refer to before the third day. ". . . And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. . . ."
 
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Wow, this thread is chock full of inanity! I hesitate to say anything, but my inner dingbat forces me to say:

1. There are two meanings to the Hebrew word "Adam." First of all, it was obviously the actual name of the man God created, of course. However, in Genesis 5:2, the Hebrew word אָדָ֔ם simply means "people" or "human." The Holladay Lexicon says for its first meaning, "1. coll. people."

2. Very clearly, each individual human is in the image of God. Someone quoted Genesis 9:6, which is clearly after the Garden, but in the NT we also have: "For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man" (1 Corinthians 11:7).

3. Why in the world would anyone deny that Adam was made on the 6th day, I'll never know. It is so clear in Scripture. If not, then the clear and logical day by day creation listed in Genesis 1 is nonsense, and I for one will never say that!

Okay, carry on.
 
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