The Gospel of YOUR Salvation !

[savedbymercy]

That ye shall die in your sins!



Jn 8:24

24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Now, How in the world can any of those Christ died for their sins as Per 1 Cor 15:3

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for[in behalf of] our sins according to the scriptures;

How can any of these therefore die in their sins ? Jn 8:24 - Now false teachers that preach that Jesus died for the sins of the whole World, none excepted, they do lie, and more importantly they willfully charge God with being Unjust, and here is why ! For Christ to have died for or in behalf of ones sins, those sins first of all must have been imputed or laid to Christ's Charge ! Isa 53:6

All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

And by that, He hath made once and for all a full propitiation or satisfaction to God's Law and Justice , and for which cause they can be no more laid to anyone's charge again ! Thats because thereby He by His death for them hath obtained for them an Eternal Redemption ! Heb 9:12

12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

The word redemption here is the greek word lytrōsis and means:


a ransoming, redemption

2) deliverance, esp. from the penalty of sin


He obtained for us, or those He died for their sins, for them a Eternal Deliverance from the penalty of sin, making it impossible, if God is Just, for any of them to ever be those in Jn 8:24 who shall die in their sins as unbelievers !

Yes, even those who that have been actually guilty of those sins imputed or charged to Christ, of which He satisfied God's Law and Justice in behalf of, their sins cannot be reversed from Christ and then re imputed back to them, for Christ hast already suffered for them in God's Justice ! 1 Pet 3:18

For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

Sorry, but it was not for all mankind without exception that Christ had laid to His Charge, but only for those who shall believe on Him through the Word Jn 17:20

19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

And those who shall not believe on Him as indicated in Jn 8:24, He did not die for their sins. Again it was for the sins of the Sheep He did die ,of which all of them shall believe on Him, if one does not believe on Him as indicated again from Jn 8:24, the solution is plain, Jesus says it here Jn 10:26

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

And Christ did not lay down His Life for those who were not His Sheep and who did not have their sins charged to Him !

Now in this it is clear that unless God is Unjust, God can never charge again with sin any sinner whose sins were charged to Christ, and He did satisfy God's Law and Justice for them in Full, Perfectly, God would now be unjust in that His wrath has now avenged twice for the same sins once in Christ, whom He was in Covenant with, the sinners Surety, and now once again in the actual sinner, which would now , break covenant with His Son, which contradicts God being a Just God and a God of Truth and Equity-


Now understand, this is a indictment against God's Justice, by any so called preacher of the Gospel, who falsely teaches that some for whom Christ died, shall nevertheless remain unbelievers and die in their sins as Per Jn 8:24 !

 

[savedbymercy]

dhk

Before he was regenerated, Cornelius heard from God.

Thats a lie, scripture never states that. Cornelius at the very start was said to be one that was Just and who feared God Acts 10:1-2

There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band,

2 A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.

Now, by nature, no man has fear of God before their eyes Rom 3:18

18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

He was said to be a Just man Acts 10:22

22 And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee.

That is He was made Just by the obedience of Christ Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. Or Just the same greek word !

Now it is to such, those who fear God by New Birth that the Word of Salvation is sent to them as per Paul states here Acts 13:26

Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent.

And so it was, Cornelius being one that fearteth God, God sent Him the Word of His Salvation so that He can believe Eph 1:13

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation[sent by God to you]: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Cornelius or any other person that fears God by New Birth will believe the Gospel sent to them !

This proves your views false, but i already know that this post will only harden you more against God's truth ! See ya at the Judgment !

 

[DHK]

dhk



Thats a lie, scripture never states that. Cornelius at the very start was said to be one that was Just and who feared God Acts 10:1-2

There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band,

2 A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.

Now, by nature, no man has fear of God before their eyes Rom 3:18

18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

He was said to be a Just man Acts 10:22

22 And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee.

That is He was made Just by the obedience of Christ Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. Or Just the same greek word !

Now it is to such, those who fear God by New Birth that the Word of Salvation is sent to them as per Paul states here Acts 13:26

Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent.

And so it was, Cornelius being one that fearteth God, God sent Him the Word of His Salvation so that He can believe Eph 1:13

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation[sent by God to you]: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Cornelius or any other person that fears God by New Birth will believe the Gospel sent to them !

This proves your views false, but i already know that this post will only harden you more against God's truth ! See ya at the Judgment !

Acts 10:25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.
--If he was regenerated or saved why would he bow down in an act of worship to Peter just like those of any Pagan worship would do?

Acts 10:26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.
--Peter did have to rebuke him for it.

Acts 10:30 And Cornelius said, Four days ago I was fasting until this hour; and at the ninth hour I prayed in my house, and, behold, a man stood before me in bright clothing,
--This is Cornelius's testimony. It is not one of salvation. He said he had a dream. Everyone has dreams (especially those who eat too many pickles :smilewinkgrin: ).

In the following verses Peter preaches them "That Word"
Acts 10:37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;
38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:

Therein is the gospel.
They heard it.
Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
--There is the invitation; there is the "whosoever believes."

44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
--And there is the response.

Acts 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
--Would Peter baptize an unsaved person. No, of course not.
They were saved! Right there and then! In verse 44 when the Holy Spirit fell upon them.
It can't get much clearer than that.
When did you receive the Holy Spirit?

 

[savedbymercy]

dhk

Acts 10:25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.
--If he was regenerated or saved why would he bow down in an act of worship to Peter just like those of any Pagan worship would do?

That does not matter, John was going to worship a Angel Rev 19:10

And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Now was John unregenerated ? No

All you are doing is giving yourself an excuse to reject Truth and continue in your lies. Cornelius Feared God which man by nature cannot do !

[Personal attack edited]
There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band,

2 A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.

Cp with Rom 3:18

18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

 

[savedbymercy]

Before Cornelius was sent the Gospel to believe, God reckoned him as a Just man scripture says Acts 10:22

22 And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee.

The scripture has a promise for such men Prov 4:18

18 But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.

And thats why God sent him the Light of the Gospel 2 Cor 4:4,6

In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

It was so he should believe as Peter says Acts 15:7

And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

 

[savedbymercy]

When its the Power of God !

The Gospel is the Power only to them that are believing Rom 1:16, the Believing is the effect of the Gospel being the Power of God, as intimated here in Pauls statement 1 Thess 2:13

13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God[Gospel] which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

For to them it is described as Heb 4:12

12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Its quick and powerful meaning Living and operative

12 For the Word that God speaks is alive and full of power [making it active, operative, energizing, and effective]; it is sharper than any two-edged sword, penetrating to the dividing line of the breath of life (soul) and [the immortal] spirit, and of joints and marrow [of the deepest parts of our nature], exposing and sifting and analyzing and judging the very thoughts and purposes of the heart.AMP

Its Living and operative in the quickened soul, and it brings into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ or the obedience of Faith 2 Cor 10:5

5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

5 [Inasmuch as we] refute arguments and theories and reasonings and every proud and lofty thing that sets itself up against the [true] knowledge of God; and we lead every thought and purpose away captive into the obedience of Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed One),AMP

This happens when its time for an Elect sinner to believe !736

 

[savedbymercy]

When preached to the saved or being saved !

1 Cor 1:18

18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

There is a group of people in the purpose of God, who are by the preaching of the Cross being saved ! The word saved sōzō is a present passive participle and can be rendered " to them that are being saved"

It is being the power of God, to them ! Its God's Power in the Hand of the Spirit saving or converting them !

And so when its [The Gospel] is being preached to the being saved ones, the evidence and results will be belief in the Truth or Faith 2 Thess 2:13

But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Folks in order to believe the Truth, it must be effected by the Sanctification of the Spirit !

The word belief in 2 Thess 2:13 is actually the Noun for Faith pistis strongs 4102 !

So believing of the Truth is an evidence that Sanctification of the Spirit is occurring ! For belief of the Truth is the first evidence that salvation is being applied, thats why in 1 Cor 1:18 the word saved is in the passive voice !737

 

[savedbymercy]

When preached to the saved or being saved ! 2

Those who believe the Gospel had been saved through the Sanctifying Work of the Spirit 2 Thess 2:13, this Work also is the New Birth, which we need before we can believe the Sanctified Truth, that is to say the Word of the Gospel is Holy Matt 7:6

Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

We need it because of our spiritually dead state by nature, and as such we can only be at enmity to the Truth, we are ungodly, alienated from the life of God, we are in the flesh, under the power of darkness and satan, blinded by the god of this world, we are the servants of sin, we walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, we were in a lost state spiritually and all of which makes it impossible for any not born anew to hear and believe and submit to the Truths of the Blessed Gospel !

 

[savedbymercy]

Drawing by the Preaching of the Gospel !

Jesus said John 12:32

32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Those who shall be drawn to Christ is because He was Lifted up on their behalf, simply meaning He died for them, and by His Death,by His being lifted up, they are made Righteous Rom 5:19. The Gospel is sent to them, and by it they are given Faith to believe on Him because of what He has already done for them. This giving of Faith to them is how they are drawn to Him, for Faith cometh by Hearing and Hearing by the Word of God/ Christ ! Those who are being drawn evidence a couple of things, #1 that they have been given New and Spiritual Life inwardly ! That word draw denotes not an external draw but an internal one, its the greek word helkō and means:

II.metaph., to draw by inward power, lead, impel

Thats because they have something in their inward parts responding to the Gospel Jer 31:33

But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

The word Law also means Doctrine/Instruction, Gospel, Word !

Thats why Paul said that to some the Word is nigh thee, even in thine heart Rom 10:8

8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

The Word of Faith which they Preached was in their Heart, and so the Gospel when Preached draws them to Faith in Christ !

#2 To be drawn is proof that we belong to His Bride the Church, and so being drawn we run after Him Song of Solomon 1:4

4 Draw me, we will run after thee: the king hath brought me into his chambers: we will be glad and rejoice in thee, we will remember thy love more than wine: the upright love thee.

Notice it goes from the singular me to the plural we ! Thats because the drawing applys to all the individual members of His Beloved Spouse the Church, thats why the word all is used in Jn 12:32 ! Its evidence of having been given to the Son to spouse by the Father Jn 6:37

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come [be drawn] to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Notice what shall happen to those that the Father giveth to the Son, it is said they SHALL COME ! The word come is hēkō and means:

A.to come to one, i.e. to seek an intimacy with one, become his follower: to come upon one (unexpectedly)

Those given to the Son shall,no doubt about it, shall seek an Intimacy with the Son and consequently become His Follower, which also means they belonged to His Sheepfold ! Jn 10:2-4

But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.

3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.

4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.

They know the Voice of their Bridegroom/Shepherd Jn 3:29

He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.

The Bridegroom draws His Bride to follow Him by the Preaching of the Gospel !739

 

[BobRyan]

Do you understand post 112 ? Please rehearse with me the points I made, even though you reject them.

I have no disagreement with Rom 4:3, that is not the issue of my post and comments, deal with the comments !

I agree that is not where your Calvinism differs with the text

This is where your Calvinism differs with the Bible -

Romans 10
“The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

And of course here -


That is how the "unreconciled" become saved as they respond to God's call where he "begs them to be reconciled to God" 2Cor 5

As Christ stands on the outside of the christless-lost "I STAND and KNOCK - IF anyone hears My voice AND OPENS the door I will come in" Rev 3

BOTH Calvinists and Arminians agree that the lost do not "please God" but where we differ is that Arminians believe the "Lost are part of the WORLD" and that "God so LOVED the (lost) World that HE Gave... yes really -- that WHOSOEVER believes on Him might not perish but have everlasting life... yes really" John 3:16

Paul says the gospel is going to the unsaved in Romans 11 " 14 if somehow I might move to jealousy my fellow countrymen and save some of them."

The God of the Bible "came to seek an save the lost". Luke 19:10, Matt 18:11


"He is the Atoning Sacrifice for OUR sins and not for OUR sins only but for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD" 1 John 2:1 NIV

1 John 4:14 We have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the WORLD.

 

[savedbymercy]

br

That is how the "unreconciled" become saved as they respond to God's call where he "begs them to be reconciled to God" 2Cor 5

False Teaching ! Those Christ died for are not unreconciled, in fact those He died for are even reconciled to God while they are being enemies Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies/unbelievers, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

So you have made a false statement ! Those Christ died for become reconciled by His Death, not by their responding !

 

[BobRyan]

I agree that is not where your Calvinism differs with the text

This is where your Calvinism differs with the Bible -

Romans 10
“The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

And of course here -


That is how the "unreconciled" become saved as they respond to God's call where he "begs them to be reconciled to God" 2Cor 5

As Christ stands on the outside of the christless-lost "I STAND and KNOCK - IF anyone hears My voice AND OPENS the door I will come in" Rev 3

BOTH Calvinists and Arminians agree that the lost do not "please God" but where we differ is that Arminians believe the "Lost are part of the WORLD" and that "God so LOVED the (lost) World that HE Gave... yes really -- that WHOSOEVER believes on Him might not perish but have everlasting life... yes really" John 3:16

Paul says the gospel is going to the unsaved in Romans 11 " 14 if somehow I might move to jealousy my fellow countrymen and save some of them."

The God of the Bible "came to seek an save the lost". Luke 19:10, Matt 18:11


"He is the Atoning Sacrifice for OUR sins and not for OUR sins only but for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD" 1 John 2:1 NIV

1 John 4:14 We have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the WORLD.

br



False Teaching ! Those Christ died for are not unreconciled,

Clearly we differ

Apparently Paul differs with your view as well ---

2Cor 5 "We BEG YOU on behalf of Christ - BE reconciled to God"

Romans 10
“The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.


Hint - they were unsaved before confession, and unsaved before believing as Romans 10 states.

And in 2Cor 5 Paul is begging that "you" the not-reconciled, BE reconciled to God.

 

[DHK]

Clearly we differ

Yes, Bob. Everyone does. This is a thread she resurrected from almost 3 years ago. It's best not to respond.
Here is what one poster back then said in response to her:

Since you are a supralapsarian why do you bother? After all they are elected by God to never agree with you and nothing you say or do will change that fact. Since, you believe God is the first cause of evil (to include Moral Evil and not just Calamity) God has elected evil for them. They are programed that way and cannot change because God decreed it. Thus to cause a ruccous and accusation against them is a waste of time and really unjust since it was God's fault to begin with. Instead of arguing with Yeshua1 and Biblicist and DHK just argue with God but he's already decreed their outcome according to you so there is nothing for you to do. And if you decide to sin (not that you will but if you do) no worries because God decreed that sin too. Because the more you sin the better you make Jesus look. So in your belief system you can rejoice that they aren't elected and sin all they wan't as well as you can be elected and sin all you want because the more evil you participate in which God has created the more Jesus looks good.

Such is the supralapsarian view. Most here fall under the infralapsrian and amyraldism view though there are a few Arminianist here.

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1920162&postcount=83
That bolded statement, ironically, is her belief. So I am not sure why she is even here.

 

[Yeshua1]

Clearly we differ

Apparently Paul differs with your view as well ---

2Cor 5 "We BEG YOU on behalf of Christ - BE reconciled to God"

Romans 10
“The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.


Hint - they were unsaved before confession, and unsaved before believing as Romans 10 states.

And in 2Cor 5 Paul is begging that "you" the not-reconciled, BE reconciled to God.

Do you affirm that as the truth, that we are made right with God apart from ANY works that we do, such as water baptism and keeping the sabbath?

 

[Yeshua1]

Yes, Bob. Everyone does. This is a thread she resurrected from almost 3 years ago. It's best not to respond.
Here is what one poster back then said in response to her:

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1920162&postcount=83
That bolded statement, ironically, is her belief. So I am not sure why she is even here.

her viewpoints are beyond those held by main calvinists here, as it is akin to hyper calvinism itself!

 

[savedbymercy]

Clearly we differ

Apparently Paul differs with your view as well ---

2Cor 5 "We BEG YOU on behalf of Christ - BE reconciled to God"

Romans 10
“The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.


Hint - they were unsaved before confession, and unsaved before believing as Romans 10 states.

And in 2Cor 5 Paul is begging that "you" the not-reconciled, BE reconciled to God.

You differ with Paul and Myself, and with the Word of God. Those Christ died for are reconciled to God while they are enemies and unbelievers. Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we [Believers] were enemies[unbelievers], we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

While believers were unbelievers, even then they were reconciled to God, not by Faith, but by the Death of God's Son for their sins ! If you dont believe this you dont even believe in Christ !

 

[Yeshua1]

You differ with Paul and Myself, and with the Word of God. Those Christ died for are reconciled to God while they are enemies and unbelievers. Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we [Believers] were enemies[unbelievers], we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

While believers were unbelievers, even then they were reconciled to God, not by Faith, but by the Death of God's Son for their sins ! If you dont believe this you dont even believe in Christ !

God ordained though that for even His elect, they must appropiate that saving grace, having it applied towards them thru means of faith!

 

[Doubting Thomas]

Wow, what a NecroBump! This is some truly stinky 3 year old bait. :smilewinkgrin:

 

[savedbymercy]

No Election, No Salvation and No Gospel !

2 Thess 2:13-14

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

As we can see, the Gospel Call in Vs 14 is to those Chosen to Salvation in Vs 13 !

Thats why Election is fundamentally foundational to Preaching the Gospel !

The Apostle Paul here in this Epistle is not just beginning the Truth of Election or that God hath from the beginning [of time]chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Then Called them by the Gospel ! We know that this Election took place from the beginning of the World, because the Call of the Gospel in Time is related to the Eternal Purpose in Christ before Time Began 2 Tim 1:9-10

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

The word called here is the exact same word called in 2 Thess 2:14, and so its grounded in Purpose and Grace given the called in Christ before the world began !

This was a Gospel Truth not new to the rteaders, but a Truth that was part of the initial Gospel Message and now Paul was confirming and strengthening his readers, which was customary Acts 14:22

Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

Acts 15:41

And he went through Syria and Cilicia, confirming the churches.742

 

[savedbymercy]

No Election, No Salvation and No Gospel !2

2 Thess 2:13-14

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Salvation through the Sanctifying Work of the Spirit unto belief of the Truth/Gospel is not something that can be done by the freewill of man, but its something one must have been Chosen to, and God is the source of it and He alne should be Thanked for it, which is crystal clear from the texts.

Now many will pervert the Truth of God argue that the word chosen here does not mean election, however that is a lie, it does mean election. It is the greek word haireo and means : To choose or prefer, to lay hold of by personal choice, to take, to choose. The word also in the text is in the middle voice denoting God's Sovereign choice for Himself. This action by God agrees with the word chosen in Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Here however the Holy Spirit inspires Paul to use a different greek word eklego which ALSO means :

I choose, elect, pick out for myself, select and it also has the same exact greek construction of a:

Tense: Aorist
Mood: Indicative
Voice: Middle

Person: 3rd Person
Number: Singular

The Emphasis is on what God has chosen for Himself !

The same thing is True of the same group, the Church in the OT Deut 7:6

6 For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

In fact the Chosen here, in Eph 1:4, and 2 Thess 2:13 are all the same people, God has only One specially Chosen People and that in Christ, for they are chosen in Himself because Christ is God, and God has no chosen people outside of Himself /Christ ! And all such chosen, are chosen unto Salvation unto the belief of the Truth / Gospel through the Work of the Spirit, chosen from before the foundation !