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Let me clarify first of all that I did not say that it isn't possible to confess that Jesus is Lord in prayer. What I meant was that confessing Jesus Christ as Lord does not happen only in prayer. It happens when giving one's testimony. It happened when the Ethiopian answered Philip. And yes, as you say, God would have heard him, but we're not told that he (the Ethiopian) was praying, but that he was responding to Philip'. So the matter of confessing Jesus as Lord is not a biblical basis for what has become known as "the sinners prayer."
Some consider it the "Repeat after me....."But what is the sinners prayer? As far as I know it is just something that Paul Washer coined.
To me a "sinners prayer"would just a sinner calling out to God for salvation.
Some consider it the "Repeat after me....."
another words - do folks actually know what they are saying -
easy to repeat - without understanding.
SH, you hit the nail on the head!I would say the problem is not the "sinners prayer" but the presentation of the gospel message.
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SH, you hit the nail on the head!
I remember one night, I went to council a young boy - when Mr. Bean came around to collect the cards, I told him the boy did not get saved.
Mr. Bean got upset - that I did not fill out a card! I guess their thinking was that if you come fwd- your get saved. Well, as I counseled the boy, I had read rom 6:23 - and asked the boy - you sinned, right- he said he had never sinned. Then I found out that he would come fwd about once a month to get saved. Well, shortly after that, I left for Germany, so I dont know what happened later.
In my home church, when someone came forward - (normally) the counselor would take the individual to a seperate room for real counseling for salvation or whatever they needed. - Now, if someone came to say they wanted to get baptized - that was something else.
We do not know why some would doubt that. We think it is because they have a man centered theology, so they have to give a big part of salvation to man, and not to God.Salvation is of the Lord why would anyone doubt that.
This is not an error, but rather a biblical fact. To deny this truth is a direct denial of scripture, and turns out to be a denial of Jonah 2:9Where the C/R's error is that they think they were chosen before creation
Anything you do, that comes from you, is a work by definitionand that faith is a work.
Price did well until he added the words "not potential or conditional, or based on anything we think, do or say.
No. The sinners prayer came from Charles Finney's "new measures". Walking forward in a meeting is not "being saved".But what is the sinners prayer? As far as I know it is just something that Paul Washer coined.
To me a "sinners prayer"would just a sinner calling out to God for salvation.
We do not know why some would doubt that. We think it is because they have a man centered theology, so they have to give a big part of salvation to man, and not to God.
This is not an error, but rather a biblical fact. To deny this truth is a direct denial of scripture, and turns out to be a denial of Jonah 2:9
Anything you do, that comes from you, is a work by definition
No. The sinners prayer came from Charles Finney's "new measures". Walking forward in a meeting is not "being saved".
Repeating a prayer, like a parrot, is not being saved.