The Heresy of Ideological Religion

[JonC]

My apologies if I'm coming off insulting or smug. The forums can really bring out the worst (though I don't blame the forum or anyone else).

I'd like to go deeper into this. I'd like to challenge you even on the issue of criticizing presidencies. I think the structure of our government allows us to criticize presidents (mere appointed office holders) if it's done correctly, without violating Scriptural principles. I'll appreciate your return challenges. Gotta run, unfortunately.....

No apologies needed.

I agree we have freedoms, both granted from our government structure and from God (although these may not be the same freedoms). Our nation allows us to oppose presidencies. I am not as confident Scripture does the same, but instead think we oppose principalities in this age (ungodly principles, ideologies, etc.). How this looks, I believe, is rendering due honor to the presidency while opposing ungodliness by standing for Christ.

 

[just-want-peace]

I am certainly concerned about my sins and understand the need to continually repent and turn away from them. God will ultimately be the judge of Trump not me. I'm talking about Trump's behavior as an American and President. I find it to be unacceptable. I believe we should demand from our leaders a basic level of morality and truthfulness which I don't find in Trump..

Would love to see your assessment of the immediate past POTUS if you truly believe the above noted statement!!

 

[FollowTheWay]

Would love to see your assessment of the immediate past POTUS if you truly believe the above noted statement!!

There's simply no comparison between Obama and Trump. Obama is a decent man. He doesn't lie incessantly like Trump does. He loves his wife and family unlike Trump. The world leaders respected him and they deride Trump.

 

[Revmitchell]

There's simply no comparison between Obama and Trump. Obama is a decent man. He doesn't lie incessantly like Trump does. He loves his wife and family unlike Trump. The world leaders respected him and they deride Trump.

Almost nothing about this post is true.

 

[Yeshua1]

There's simply no comparison between Obama and Trump. Obama is a decent man. He doesn't lie incessantly like Trump does. He loves his wife and family unlike Trump. The world leaders respected him and they deride Trump.

The world will follow the Antichrist, so do not think that is a big deal. And obama might be a good family man, but his agenda and convictions were really anti biblical and anti christ!

 

[just-want-peace]

There's simply no comparison between Obama and Trump. Obama is a decent man. He doesn't lie incessantly like Trump does. He loves his wife and family unlike Trump. The world leaders respected him and they deride Trump.

You mean like "You can keep your Dr. if you like him"?
If your head is this deep in the sand, I sure do hope you like the taste of silica.

 

[FollowTheWay]

The world will follow the Antichrist, so do not think that is a big deal. And obama might be a good family man, but his agenda and convictions were really anti biblical and anti christ!

trump is a much better possibility for the anti-Christ. Just look at how he has deceived "Evangelical Christians."

 

[Yeshua1]

trump is a much better possibility for the anti-Christ. Just look at how he has deceived "Evangelical Christians."

And the so called "Black ,Messiah" did not?

 

[FollowTheWay]

And the so called "Black ,Messiah" did not?

Why do you insist on calling Obama "the Black messiah?" I've never heard that used before.

 

[Revmitchell]

Black Professor Guest Believes Obama Is The Messiah - The Jesse Lee Peterson Radio Show

 

[Yeshua1]

Why do you insist on calling Obama "the Black messiah?" I've never heard that used before.

Many of his followers called him that, as many saw him as being a "special person", and somehow more than a normal human while in his midst!

 

[FollowTheWay]

Black Professor Guest Believes Obama Is The Messiah - The Jesse Lee Peterson Radio Show

The lady said she is not a Christian. I don't recognize what atheists say about my faith. You must. Right?

 

[Revmitchell]

The lady said she is not a Christian. I don't recognize what atheists say about my faith. You must. Right?

She didn't say anything about my faith I have no idea if she said anything about yours. You asked about Obama being called the Messiah so i showed you. Nothing more.

 

[FollowTheWay]

She didn't say anything about my faith I have no idea if she said anything about yours. You asked about Obama being called the Messiah so i showed you. Nothing more.

Meaningless coming from an atheist.

 

[Yeshua1]

Meaningless coming from an atheist.

You really never heard Black Christians look and speak about him in a sense that made him to be if not a messiah, very much like a prophet/apostle of the Lord?

 

[Yeshua1]

Why do you insist on calling Obama "the Black messiah?" I've never heard that used before.

http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/

 

[Revmitchell]

Meaningless coming from an atheist.

Well maybe to you but you asked as if it never happned. I showed you it did. You can dismiss it all you want but she was not the only one. All you have to do is google obama messiah

 

[FollowTheWay]

Well maybe to you but you asked as if it never happned. I showed you it did. You can dismiss it all you want but she was not the only one. All you have to do is google obama messiah

I said I'd never seen it. That's because I never connected Obama and the Messiah and never googled that. Does this web site seem to be from a reputable source?
http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/
I'm certain almost anything has been said by someone once.

 

[Wesley Briggman]

sojo.net/magazine/february-2018/heresy-ideological-religion

Perhaps the most blatant recent example of a “state church” mentality in relation to Donald Trump was a tweet by Franklin Graham. “Never in my lifetime,” the son of Billy Graham tweeted, “have we had a @POTUS willing to take such a strong outspoken stand for the Christian faith like @realDonaldTrump. We need to get behind him with our prayers.” Such an uncritical, unprophetic, and ungodly devotion to such a deeply ethically compromised president does call to mind the complicit church in 1930s Germany.

The Barmen Declaration was clear about the separation that must be maintained between the church and the state. “We reject the false doctrine,” the declaration said, that “the church ... should and could appropriate the characteristics, the tasks, and the dignity of the state, thus itself becoming an organ of the state.”

Uncritical devotion to Trump by some conservative Christians calls to mind the complicit church in 1930s Germany. THE PRESIDENCY of Donald Trump has raised the question of whether this is a “Bonhoeffer moment.” This goes far beyond partisan politics—many conservatives and Republicans, along with liberals and Democrats, are raising questions about the moral and religious issues at stake in the presidency of Donald Trump.

I have no way of knowing whether of not Franklin Graham is aware of President Trump's "testimony":

"I'm not sure I have ever asked God's forgiveness. I don't bring God into that picture."
Source of quote: https://www.christianpost.com/news/donald-trump-im-not-sure-if-i-ever-asked-gods-forgiveness-141706/

This is not the testimony of a child of God. This is indeed cause for concern for those of us who are part of the Body of Christ.

 

[Calminian]

I have no way of knowing whether of not Franklin Graham is aware of President Trump's "testimony":

"I'm not sure I have ever asked God's forgiveness. I don't bring God into that picture."
Source of quote: Donald Trump: 'I'm Not Sure If I Ever Asked God's Forgiveness'

This is not the testimony of a child of God. This is indeed cause for concern for those of us who are part of the Body of Christ.

I'm agnostic about Trump's salvation based on this statement he made.

But I truly thank God for him. He's been a blessing. He governs in accordance with biblical principles, more so than any presidents in decades.

If he's not saved, I don't think Christians should be throwing it in his face trying to degrade him. I think the proper response is gratitude for what he's doing and prayer. Imagine if the Church began to pray as one for Trump. What a testimony that would be.