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The Holy Spirit in The Book of Hebrews

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Van

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Van said:
John 3:8 among others uses the phrase "born of the Spirit." Since we have been spiritually born (conceived) as "sinners" we have been born spiritually dead or in a separated from God state. Thus when we are born anew, we have been re-born spiritually alive, united with God (in or within Christ). We are regenerated, made alive together with Christ by the Spirit. Here, with reference in Romans 6:3, we see that the Spirit baptizes or immerses us into Christ, when unites us with Christ, and that union causes us to be born anew, spiritually alive.

Thus the phrase "born of the Spirit" refers to being "generated" (regenerated from a spiritually dead state) by being in union with God spirit.
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Here we see once again the Third Person of the Trinity acting as agent for the Second Person of the Trinity. Even though the Third Person spiritually places individuals within (immerses in) the Second Person of the Trinity, scripture says Christ baptizes with the Spirit. (Matthew 3:11)
 
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Van

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SavedByGrace said:
RANK HERESY :eek:
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Your claim is RANK HERESY. This is all these false teachers have, one false charge after another with no supporting evidence.


Gal 4:6
Because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying out, “Abba! Father!”

John 17:21
that they may all be one; just as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.​
 
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Van said:
Your claim is RANK HERESY. This is all these false teachers have, one false charge after another with no supporting evidence.


Gal 4:6
Because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying out, “Abba! Father!”

John 17:21
that they may all be one; just as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.​
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Romans 8:9, " You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to Him"

the three references to "the Spirit" here is the Holy Spirit. In John 14:26, we read of the Father sending the Holy Spirit, "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you". In 15:26, Jesus Christ sends the Holy Spirit, "“But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me"

In the Greek text of 15:26, Jesus Christ is the Speaker in the first Person, "ἐγὼ", the Holy Spirit is said to come "παρὰ τοῦ πατρός", where the preposition, "παρὰ", means, "denoting motion from the side of, from beside, from", which shows that the Holy Spirit is a distinct Person from Jesus and the Father.
 
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SavedByGrace

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Van said:
Your claim is RANK HERESY. This is all these false teachers have, one false charge after another with no supporting evidence.


Gal 4:6
Because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying out, “Abba! Father!”

John 17:21
that they may all be one; just as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.​
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are you saying that Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are One and the same Person?
 
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tyndale1946

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SavedByGrace said:
are you saying that Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are One and the same Person?
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Here is a little ditty on the Trinity... Feel free to use it if you want... Three in one and one in three and the one in the middle died for me!... Brother Glen:)
 
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Van

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SavedByGrace said:
Romans 8:9, " You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to Him"

the three references to "the Spirit" here is the Holy Spirit. In John 14:26, we read of the Father sending the Holy Spirit, "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you". In 15:26, Jesus Christ sends the Holy Spirit, "“But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me"

In the Greek text of 15:26, Jesus Christ is the Speaker in the first Person, "ἐγὼ", the Holy Spirit is said to come "παρὰ τοῦ πατρός", where the preposition, "παρὰ", means, "denoting motion from the side of, from beside, from", which shows that the Holy Spirit is a distinct Person from Jesus and the Father.
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I am sorry but your view is wrong. Our indwelt Helper, is (1) the Father, (2) the Son and (3) the Holy Spirit. Note that the Father is in the Son, and the Son is in the indwelt person. And from your cited verse (John 14:26) we see that the Helper is indeed the Holy Spirit, the Third Person of the Trinity.

Now if you can provide an understanding of these verses that explains how the Father and the Son are in us, but not really in us, have at it.
 
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SavedByGrace

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Van said:
I am sorry but your view is wrong. Our indwelt Helper, is (1) the Father, (2) the Son and (3) the Holy Spirit. Note that the Father is in the Son, and the Son is in the indwelt person. And from your cited verse (John 14:26) we see that the Helper is indeed the Holy Spirit, the Third Person of the Trinity.

Now if you can provide an understanding of these verses that explains how the Father and the Son are in us, but not really in us, have at it.
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the Father is not the Son, nor are they the Holy Spirit!

the Spirit of Jesus Christ is NOT Jesus Christ!
 
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