The Identity of the Two Witnesses of Revelation

[teknonoftheos]

The Bible plainly teaches thta NONE of us here willknow the exact timing for the Second Coming, but will see signs to it coming, but that would be to not set any dates, but to get ready! Your date 2026 is to be rejected by the scriptures themselves!

I am not "date setting". If I were date setting, I would be telling you, "on September 11th at 6:00pm the Messiah is coming". I am not doing that. I am giving you the season the Messiah is coming, which is in the autumn, and the approximate time of his coming, around 2026 AD, which correlates with the current year calculation since the beginning, and the 1,290+1335 years of Daniel. These are not arbitrary numbers that I came up with, nor did I dream up these times, they are based on the timelines of the scriptures.

 

[teknonoftheos]

Jesus stated that we will not know the time...

But he said we can know the season. Stop being willfully ignorant and learn.

 

[Felipe Rios]

There will be two prophets, otherwise called the “two witnesses” of the book of Revelation, that will appear 3.5 years prior to the second coming of Yeshuah Messiah around the spring of 2023 AD and will die in Jerusalem. There exists a distinction between the “42 months” and “1,260 days” in Revelation, even though they both equate to the same time expressed differently, because one time is figurative and the other is literal, therefore, whatever is declared figuratively in months means each figurative day is one literal year, and whatever is declared in days means literal days. Both these times are mentioned in same passage in Revelation concerning the witnesses and the set-apart city, where the set-apart city is trampled for 42 figurative months, which equates to 1,260 literal years, and the prophesying of two witnesses happens for 1,260 days, which equates to 1,260 literal days, or 42 literal months, or 3.5 literal years. As such, they will have authority to bring whatever plagues they want as often as they want. They will be killed during the trumpet blasts related to the second coming of Yeshuah Messiah, hence why they are mentioned between the sixth and seventh trumpets of Revelation. As such, since we know the time of their death, which will be in autumn in relation to the Festival of Trumpets, then we also know the time of their appearance will be around the spring 3.5 years prior. They will be killed by the newly formed United States of Europe.

You can read the full study here, The Identity of the Two Witnesses of Revelation | Wisdom of God .

Do you believe a Jewish Temple will be built in Jerusalem before the coming of the Lord?

 

[teknonoftheos]

Do you believe a Jewish Temple will be built in Jerusalem before the coming of the Lord?

Yes. You can read my study on this very subject here Third Temple Before the Second Coming, Temple of Ezekiel During the Millennial Rulership, 42 Months Jerusalem is Trampled, and the 2300 Days of Daniel | Wisdom of God .

 

[Walter]

Youalso have to add in Galatians 1:8, as when has Rome ever preached the real Gospel since the Council of Trent?

You will use ANY excuse to bare your anti-Catholic fangs. You strain gnats and swallow camels. This in NOT a thread on the 'Gospel according to Rome', it has though, become one where the pope (s) are accused of being anti-Christ. Here you are debating eschatology with a man who denies the Trinity. Let me ask you, Yeshua1, is he a Christian?? Yes or no? If he is not, based on denying one of the basic tenets of the Christian faith, why debate him as if he were saved and just a bit twisted in his views of 'the last days'? He has been asked time and again 'what is the gospel' and he refuses to answer. Now you don't seem to give a rip what he thinks is the gospel but you will take any opportunity to attack what you think the Catholic teaching on justification entails.

The following comes from a paper in one of my files and I cannot find the source, but it comes from scripture itself:

The pope does not meet the criteria to count as the antichrist.

Here are some of the criteria of the antichrist:

• he will be one person: “the lawless one.” (2 Thess. 2:9)
• he will be alive at the rebellion: “[when] the rebellion comes…and the man of lawlessness is revealed…” (2 Thess. 2:3)
• he will contribute to the rebellion by deceiving people: “The coming of the lawless one is…with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.” (2 Thess. 2:9-10)
• he will claim to be God: “[he] opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship…takes his seat in the temple of God…[and] proclaim himself to be God.” (2 Thess. 2:4)
  [*]he will do powerful signs and wonders: “The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders.” (2 Thess. 2:9)
  [*]he will attack Christians: “this horn made war with the saints and prevailed over them.” (Daniel 7:21; also Rev. 13:7)
  [*]he will deny the Father and the Son: “This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son.” (1 John 2:22)
  [*]he will not confess Jesus: “every spirit that does not confess Jesus…is the spirit of the antichrist.” (1 John

 

[rockytopva]

Is Isaac Newton a prophet? He is not correct, for the temple sacrifices were abolished around 600 BC, which is when King Jehoiakim was taken captive by the Babylonians, and the temple articles were taken,

Jehoiakim was twenty-five years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem eleven years. He did evil in the eyes of Yehovah his God. 6 Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon attacked him and bound him with bronze shackles to take him to Babylon. Nebuchadnezzar also took to Babylon articles from the temple of Yehovah and put them in his temple there. (2 Chronicles 36:5-7 [NIV])

And then 1,290 years are added after that date,

“From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. (Daniel 12:11 [NIV])

Which comes to around 691 AD, which is around the time the Dome of the Rock was built over Mount Moriah, which is where the temple of God stood,

Then Solomon began to build the temple of Yehovah in Jerusalem on Mount Moriah, where Yehovah had appeared to his father David. It was on the threshing floor of Araunah the Jebusite, the place provided by David. (2 Chronicles 3:1 [MODIFIED-NIV)

and he told him, ‘Take these articles and go and deposit them in the temple in Jerusalem. And rebuild the house of God on its site.‘ “So this Sheshbazzar came and laid the foundations of the house of God in Jerusalem. From that day to the present it has been under construction but is not yet finished.” (Ezra 5:15-16 [NIV])

And thus the Dome of the Rock fulfilled the "abomination" that would be setup after the 1,290 years after the first instance sacrifices stopped in the temple. And then 1,335 years are added after that time, and you reach around 2026 AD,

Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days. (Daniel 12:12 [NIV])

Which converges with the year 6000 YB if you do a calculation of years since the beginning.

I have read that Isaac Newton, a devout Christian, wrote over 3 million words on biblical subjects. And his 2060 AD end time prediction to me is the most believable.

 

[rockytopva]

Yes, but this just standard regurgitated ‘reformationese.’ To say this, one must completely takes sides and disregard what the scripture itself says:

1 John 4:1-4 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)

4 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits[a] to see whether they are of God; for many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit which confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, 3 and every spirit which does not confess Jesus is not of God. This is the spirit of antichrist, of which you heard that it was coming, and now it is in the world already. 4 Little children, you are of God, and have overcome them; for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.

Which Pope has denied that Christ has some in the flesh?

Epic fail.

I do believe that the Catholic church is a Christian church and, due to the geography and time periods, the most populous of the Christian groups. And I would go on to say that Pope Francis is not a bad guy. I believe though, that they will have company in the last day with the likes of Protestants, Orthodox, and etc.

 

[rockytopva]

You will use ANY excuse to bare your anti-Catholic fangs. You strain gnats and swallow camels. This in NOT a thread on the 'Gospel according to Rome', it has though, become one where the pope (s) are accused of being anti-Christ. Here you are debating eschatology with a man who denies the Trinity. Let me ask you, Yeshua1, is he a Christian?? Yes or no? If he is not, based on denying one of the basic tenets of the Christian faith, why debate him as if he were saved and just a bit twisted in his views of 'the last days'? He has been asked time and again 'what is the gospel' and he refuses to answer. Now you don't seem to give a rip what he thinks is the gospel but you will take any opportunity to attack what you think the Catholic teaching on justification entails.

The following comes from a paper in one of my files and I cannot find the source, but it comes from scripture itself:

The pope does not meet the criteria to count as the antichrist.

Here are some of the criteria of the antichrist:

• he will be one person: “the lawless one.” (2 Thess. 2:9)
• he will be alive at the rebellion: “[when] the rebellion comes…and the man of lawlessness is revealed…” (2 Thess. 2:3)
• he will contribute to the rebellion by deceiving people: “The coming of the lawless one is…with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.” (2 Thess. 2:9-10)
• he will claim to be God: “[he] opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship…takes his seat in the temple of God…[and] proclaim himself to be God.” (2 Thess. 2:4)
  [*]he will do powerful signs and wonders: “The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders.” (2 Thess. 2:9)
  [*]he will attack Christians: “this horn made war with the saints and prevailed over them.” (Daniel 7:21; also Rev. 13:7)
  [*]he will deny the Father and the Son: “This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son.” (1 John 2:22)
  [*]he will not confess Jesus: “every spirit that does not confess Jesus…is the spirit of the antichrist.” (1 John

I believe that. None of the popes were Anti-Christs. But whether or not the Catholic church will embrace the Anti-Christ when he comes along will remain to be seen.

 

[Yeshua1]

You will use ANY excuse to bare your anti-Catholic fangs. You strain gnats and swallow camels. This in NOT a thread on the 'Gospel according to Rome', it has though, become one where the pope (s) are accused of being anti-Christ. Here you are debating eschatology with a man who denies the Trinity. Let me ask you, Yeshua1, is he a Christian?? Yes or no? If he is not, based on denying one of the basic tenets of the Christian faith, why debate him as if he were saved and just a bit twisted in his views of 'the last days'? He has been asked time and again 'what is the gospel' and he refuses to answer. Now you don't seem to give a rip what he thinks is the gospel but you will take any opportunity to attack what you think the Catholic teaching on justification entails.

The following comes from a paper in one of my files and I cannot find the source, but it comes from scripture itself:

The pope does not meet the criteria to count as the antichrist.

Here are some of the criteria of the antichrist:

• he will be one person: “the lawless one.” (2 Thess. 2:9)
• he will be alive at the rebellion: “[when] the rebellion comes…and the man of lawlessness is revealed…” (2 Thess. 2:3)
• he will contribute to the rebellion by deceiving people: “The coming of the lawless one is…with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.” (2 Thess. 2:9-10)
• he will claim to be God: “[he] opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship…takes his seat in the temple of God…[and] proclaim himself to be God.” (2 Thess. 2:4)
  [*]he will do powerful signs and wonders: “The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders.” (2 Thess. 2:9)
  [*]he will attack Christians: “this horn made war with the saints and prevailed over them.” (Daniel 7:21; also Rev. 13:7)
  [*]he will deny the Father and the Son: “This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son.” (1 John 2:22)
  [*]he will not confess Jesus: “every spirit that does not confess Jesus…is the spirit of the antichrist.” (1 John

To be a true Christian, one must hold that Jesus is full y God, as is the Holy Spirit!

 

[Yeshua1]

I do believe that the Catholic church is a Christian church and, due to the geography and time periods, the most populous of the Christian groups. And I would go on to say that Pope Francis is not a bad guy. I believe though, that they will have company in the last day with the likes of Protestants, Orthodox, and etc.

The Church of Rome teaches a false Gospel, and the current Pope denies hell, denies Jesus is only way to heaven, kept silent on the Alter Boy diasaster etc!

 

[Walter]

I do believe that the Catholic church is a Christian church and, due to the geography and time periods, the most populous of the Christian groups. And I would go on to say that Pope Francis is not a bad guy. I believe though, that they will have company in the last day with the likes of Protestants, Orthodox, and etc.

Well said!

To be a true Christian, one must hold that Jesus is full y God, as is the Holy Spirit!

Yes or No, is he a Christian? BTW, he altered his profile page. It no longer says 'Jewish/Christian' but simply Jewish.

 

[rockytopva]

Yes. You can read my study on this very subject here Third Temple Before the Second Coming, Temple of Ezekiel During the Millennial Rulership, 42 Months Jerusalem is Trampled, and the 2300 Days of Daniel | Wisdom of God .

When do you believe the prophecy of Ezekiel 38 and 39 will come to pass? It looks like, from the reading of the prophecy, that the whole Islamic world will come together against Israel only for a stunning defeat!

 

[Yeshua1]

Well said!



Yes or No, is he a Christian? BTW, he altered his profile page. It no longer says 'Jewish/Christian' but simply Jewish.

If he does not view Jesus as being Yahwah, he is still lost in His sins!

 

[Yeshua1]

When do you believe the prophecy of Ezekiel 38 and 39 will come to pass? It looks like, from the reading of the prophecy, that the whole Islamic world will come together against Israel only for a stunning defeat!

yet to happen, will be rightwhen Jesus returns and Israel is reborn under Him !

 

[rockytopva]

When do you believe the prophecy of Ezekiel 38 and 39 will come to pass? It looks like, from the reading of the prophecy, that the whole Islamic world will come together against Israel only for a stunning defeat!

I believe this prophecy is imminent, or it could take place in time. I have always wondered about the timing of the quoted prophecy.

 

[rockytopva]

Though I have stated timing in going along with Isaac Newton. I do not believe one can put a timing on any of the un-fulfilled prophecies, and have a great following. Especially as so many have been burned with the likes of folk like Harold Camping

 

[teknonoftheos]

You will use ANY excuse to bare your anti-Catholic fangs. You strain gnats and swallow camels. This in NOT a thread on the 'Gospel according to Rome', it has though, become one where the pope (s) are accused of being anti-Christ. Here you are debating eschatology with a man who denies the Trinity. Let me ask you, Yeshua1, is he a Christian?? Yes or no? If he is not, based on denying one of the basic tenets of the Christian faith, why debate him as if he were saved and just a bit twisted in his views of 'the last days'? He has been asked time and again 'what is the gospel' and he refuses to answer. Now you don't seem to give a rip what he thinks is the gospel but you will take any opportunity to attack what you think the Catholic teaching on justification entails.

The following comes from a paper in one of my files and I cannot find the source, but it comes from scripture itself:

The pope does not meet the criteria to count as the antichrist.

Here are some of the criteria of the antichrist:

• he will be one person: “the lawless one.” (2 Thess. 2:9)
• he will be alive at the rebellion: “[when] the rebellion comes…and the man of lawlessness is revealed…” (2 Thess. 2:3)
• he will contribute to the rebellion by deceiving people: “The coming of the lawless one is…with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.” (2 Thess. 2:9-10)
• he will claim to be God: “[he] opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship…takes his seat in the temple of God…[and] proclaim himself to be God.” (2 Thess. 2:4)
  [*]he will do powerful signs and wonders: “The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders.” (2 Thess. 2:9)
  [*]he will attack Christians: “this horn made war with the saints and prevailed over them.” (Daniel 7:21; also Rev. 13:7)
  [*]he will deny the Father and the Son: “This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son.” (1 John 2:22)
  [*]he will not confess Jesus: “every spirit that does not confess Jesus…is the spirit of the antichrist.” (1 John

The "little horn" already warred against the people of God and prevailed against the people of God. Those were the inquisitions and massacres that were prophesied to happen for 42 months, which are 1,260 years of persecution by the popes. How the pope will fulfill those remaining prophecies remains a mystery, for the temple of God is indeed about to be built, which in turn gives room for fulfillment of prophecy to what he could do once that structure is built.

 

[teknonoftheos]

If he does not view Jesus as being Yahwah, he is still lost in His sins!

Yeshuah is not Yehovah. Two different persons.

 

[rockytopva]

When do you believe the prophecy of Ezekiel 38 and 39 will come to pass? It looks like, from the reading of the prophecy, that the whole Islamic world will come together against Israel only for a stunning defeat!

Verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. - Matthew 5:18

 

[teknonoftheos]

Verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. - Matthew 5:18

Excellent verse. Are you therefore obeying Torah? Have you put on your tefillin? Are you wearing your tallit and tzitzit? Have you fixed a mezuzah on your doorpost and another on your gate if you have one? Have you given to the homeless man you saw when you drove by? I sure hope so, there are all commands that are still binding today.