The Identity of the Two Witnesses of Revelation

[teknonoftheos]

You think God doesn't have something better then internet or a cell phone?

What is the minimal requirement of the gospel.

Instead of combativeness and arguing with people. You lay out the gospel, Job is done, and then pray to God.

Huh?

 

[utilyan]

Then I have nothing further to say to you. You are seeking to discredit me by whatever ways you can try to come up with against me. Whether it be by who you think taught me, or by my background, or whatever other reasons to try to discard the truth I have spoken. As I said, if you wish to debunk what I have said, you are welcome to do so through scripture, which you have failed to do, because it is obvious you cannot, which is why you have to resort to these other ways to try to discredit me. Everything I have said is the truth. You are not in the truth.

". You are seeking to discredit me by whatever ways you can try to come up with against me."

False Accusation.

You are demonizing me, Because I asked you who taught you?

You are piecing together your own fantasy argument in your head , WITHOUT ME.

You already said I called you a "liar" Show me where,

You say you stand for the TRUTH. why are you so threatened by telling it to us.

 

[rockytopva]

Hoping someone said Enoch and Elijah.

 

[utilyan]

Huh?

"It never ceases to amaze me how even when someone is given the truth as plain as day, in simple words to understand, they still reject the obvious truth in favor of their own stupid delusions that don’t even make sense."

GOD can do anything. He has better CELL PHONE and INTERNET, than you do. He can page directly to your brain if he has to.

You said:

" but the word of salvation comes to those appointed for salvation through the mouth of men of God."

Then all you have to do is deliver a message. There is no debating, no combativeness, no arguing.

If for one second I believe it is on God to CHOOSE you. I tell you the gospel first, and that is it my job its done. After that I can only pray to God to choose you.


I certainly wouldn't make a fuss over people who don't understand or believe me.

 

[teknonoftheos]

". You are seeking to discredit me by whatever ways you can try to come up with against me."

False Accusation.

You are demonizing me, Because I asked you who taught you?

You are piecing together your own fantasy argument in your head , WITHOUT ME.

You already said I called you a "liar" Show me where,

You say you stand for the TRUTH. why are you so threatened by telling it to us.

So if everything I said is a fantasy about what you are intending to do against me, then it should not be difficult to affirm that everything I said is true. Go ahead and make that affirmation, and then I can explain who taught me.

 

[utilyan]

So if everything I said is a fantasy about what you are intending to do against me, then it should not be difficult to affirm that everything I said is true. Go ahead and make that affirmation, and then I can explain who taught me.

Look at my first post. What you are doing to me is not fair. you are debating with what you THINK i will say, not with me at all.

You said a person needs to be chosen by God. So it doesn't matter whether a person agrees or not since it is out of my hands. If God needs to initiate, you should be praying to God on my behalf. Its up to God to change the mind not us.

 

[rockytopva]

Hoping someone said Enoch and Elijah.

It is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: - Hebrews 9:27

Enoch and Elijah have yet to go this way...

 

[utilyan]

Christian,

Suppose God has CHOSEN me.

Is there anything in the world to stop him from saving me? NO.

You have only one simple Job, Tell the gospel. In one post you can say "OK this is the Gospel".

At that point you are done with me, The best you can do is for YOU to pray to God to CHOOSE me or more elect.


If for a minute I believed what you believed, there is no way I would have to debate with anyone, Because I would understand that is UP TO GOD to choose you. All I can do is ASK GOD to choose you and/or more people.

 

[Yeshua1]

There will be two prophets, otherwise called the “two witnesses” of the book of Revelation, that will appear 3.5 years prior to the second coming of Yeshuah Messiah around the spring of 2023 AD and will die in Jerusalem. There exists a distinction between the “42 months” and “1,260 days” in Revelation, even though they both equate to the same time expressed differently, because one time is figurative and the other is literal, therefore, whatever is declared figuratively in months means each figurative day is one literal year, and whatever is declared in days means literal days. Both these times are mentioned in same passage in Revelation concerning the witnesses and the set-apart city, where the set-apart city is trampled for 42 figurative months, which equates to 1,260 literal years, and the prophesying of two witnesses happens for 1,260 days, which equates to 1,260 literal days, or 42 literal months, or 3.5 literal years. As such, they will have authority to bring whatever plagues they want as often as they want. They will be killed during the trumpet blasts related to the second coming of Yeshuah Messiah, hence why they are mentioned between the sixth and seventh trumpets of Revelation. As such, since we know the time of their death, which will be in autumn in relation to the Festival of Trumpets, then we also know the time of their appearance will be around the spring 3.5 years prior. They will be killed by the newly formed United States of Europe.

You can read the full study here, The Identity of the Two Witnesses of Revelation | Wisdom of God .

I have read where the prominent positions on who the witnesses are would be:
Elijah and Enoch
Elijah and Moses
Symbolic for the Church and national Israel the 144,000 Jewish evangelists in end times

 

[loDebar]

Hoping someone said Enoch and Elijah.

Second,

because they have not died.

 

[teknonoftheos]

It is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: - Hebrews 9:27

Enoch and Elijah have yet to go this way...

This rule does not apply to everyone, because even at the coming of the Messiah there will be those who will be alive and will simply be transformed into new bodies, and thus, will never taste death,

Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed-- (1 Corinthians 15:51)

 

[teknonoftheos]

"It never ceases to amaze me how even when someone is given the truth as plain as day, in simple words to understand, they still reject the obvious truth in favor of their own stupid delusions that don’t even make sense."

GOD can do anything. He has better CELL PHONE and INTERNET, than you do. He can page directly to your brain if he has to.

You said:

" but the word of salvation comes to those appointed for salvation through the mouth of men of God."

Then all you have to do is deliver a message. There is no debating, no combativeness, no arguing.

If for one second I believe it is on God to CHOOSE you. I tell you the gospel first, and that is it my job its done. After that I can only pray to God to choose you.


I certainly wouldn't make a fuss over people who don't understand or believe me.

Perhaps I am making a fuss not for your sake, but for the sake of others seeing this conversation. I can continue to engage you, or I can decide not to, it is my prerogative, just as it is the prerogative of God to show you mercy, or to not show you mercy. So while it is still in my prerogative to speak to you, listen to me now, and accept the truth I have spoken, before I decide to simply put you on ignore and carry on.

 

[teknonoftheos]

Christian,

Suppose God has CHOSEN me.

Is there anything in the world to stop him from saving me? NO.

You have only one simple Job, Tell the gospel. In one post you can say "OK this is the Gospel".

At that point you are done with me, The best you can do is for YOU to pray to God to CHOOSE me or more elect.


If for a minute I believed what you believed, there is no way I would have to debate with anyone, Because I would understand that is UP TO GOD to choose you. All I can do is ASK GOD to choose you and/or more people.

Salvation can come to someone even through persuasion, did the angels that saved Lot and his family from destruction not grab them by the hand and forced them out of the city, even when they hesitated?

When he hesitated, the men grasped his hand and the hands of his wife and of his two daughters and led them safely out of the city, for Yehovah was merciful to them. (Genesis 19:16)

This is a sure sign of forceful persuasion. And I am not evening forcing you. So rather, my persuasion is a demonstration of extra mercy upon you, that even in your continued refusal to accept the truth I am telling you, I am still on here trying to persuade you to believe what I am saying, for however much longer it is in my prerogative to continue trying to try persuading you.

Even so, like I explained before, you are simply seeking to find faults in me to discard the truth I have spoken. Oh because "I am a spoiled rich kid", or because "I am the only one speaking this truth", or now "because I am persuasive", etc etc. This whole time you still reject the truth that the two witnesses are two prophets, and that the two olive trees are Israel and the Gentiles. The one who is combative is you, in your continued resistance of the truth. If you were to accept the truth I spoke, we would already be having conversation in other greater matters. But because of your rejection of the truth you stop yourself from acquiring the knowledge of God, to your own demise.

 

[JonShaff]

I am angry with believers, who have had almost 2,000 years since the death of the messiah to understand these truths, but instead, alll I see is lawlessness, lies, stupidity, selfishness, lack of love, rejection of the truth, pride

Hello, Pot.

 

[Felipe Rios]

There will be two prophets, otherwise called the “two witnesses” of the book of Revelation, that will appear 3.5 years prior to the second coming of Yeshuah Messiah around the spring of 2023 AD and will die in Jerusalem. There exists a distinction between the “42 months” and “1,260 days” in Revelation, even though they both equate to the same time expressed differently, because one time is figurative and the other is literal, therefore, whatever is declared figuratively in months means each figurative day is one literal year, and whatever is declared in days means literal days. Both these times are mentioned in same passage in Revelation concerning the witnesses and the set-apart city, where the set-apart city is trampled for 42 figurative months, which equates to 1,260 literal years, and the prophesying of two witnesses happens for 1,260 days, which equates to 1,260 literal days, or 42 literal months, or 3.5 literal years. As such, they will have authority to bring whatever plagues they want as often as they want. They will be killed during the trumpet blasts related to the second coming of Yeshuah Messiah, hence why they are mentioned between the sixth and seventh trumpets of Revelation. As such, since we know the time of their death, which will be in autumn in relation to the Festival of Trumpets, then we also know the time of their appearance will be around the spring 3.5 years prior. They will be killed by the newly formed United States of Europe.

You can read the full study here, The Identity of the Two Witnesses of Revelation | Wisdom of God .

How do you get 2023?

 

[utilyan]

Perhaps I am making a fuss not for your sake, but for the sake of others seeing this conversation. I can continue to engage you, or I can decide not to, it is my prerogative, just as it is the prerogative of God to show you mercy, or to not show you mercy. So while it is still in my prerogative to speak to you, listen to me now, and accept the truth I have spoken, before I decide to simply put you on ignore and carry on.

1 John 4
1Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

I am bound by God to test you. Test every "airflow".


"I can decide not to, it is my prerogative, just as it is the prerogative of God to show you mercy, or to not show you mercy."

You are the example of God's mercy?

I hope God can handle two questions.

Anyone who can tell the difference between Kindness and God, still has a lot to learn about both.

"accept the truth I have spoken, before I decide to simply put you on ignore and carry on."

I accept the truth that is spoken, You going to teach us how to threaten others too? Not everyone negotiates with terrorists.

Ultimatums and Absolutes , Pontius Pilate can show you where to wash your hands.

1 John 4

18There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love.


Real tough love is tough on you not the guy you are helping.

Name anybody who has a better understanding of the scriptures than you.

Who taught you this? If the truth isn't a threat then you got no problem pointing out a rabbi or a sect we can learn this from.

I believe if someone has God on their side they surely wouldn't coward away from pretty reasonable question.

I've spoken to REAL Jewish folks they ain't got no problem telling me where they learn from.


1 John 4

20If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen. 21And this commandment we have from Him, that the one who loves God should love his brother also.

 

[OfLivingWaters]

There will be two prophets, otherwise called the “two witnesses” of the book of Revelation, that will appear 3.5 years prior to the second coming of Yeshuah Messiah around the spring of 2023 AD and will die in Jerusalem. There exists a distinction between the “42 months” and “1,260 days” in Revelation, even though they both equate to the same time expressed differently, because one time is figurative and the other is literal, therefore, whatever is declared figuratively in months means each figurative day is one literal year, and whatever is declared in days means literal days. Both these times are mentioned in same passage in Revelation concerning the witnesses and the set-apart city, where the set-apart city is trampled for 42 figurative months, which equates to 1,260 literal years, and the prophesying of two witnesses happens for 1,260 days, which equates to 1,260 literal days, or 42 literal months, or 3.5 literal years. As such, they will have authority to bring whatever plagues they want as often as they want. They will be killed during the trumpet blasts related to the second coming of Yeshuah Messiah, hence why they are mentioned between the sixth and seventh trumpets of Revelation. As such, since we know the time of their death, which will be in autumn in relation to the Festival of Trumpets, then we also know the time of their appearance will be around the spring 3.5 years prior. They will be killed by the newly formed United States of Europe.

You can read the full study here, The Identity of the Two Witnesses of Revelation | Wisdom of God .

Are you a Christian Jew or an Edom Jew?

 

[teknonoftheos]

How do you get 2023?

We know there are around 1,880 years from Adam to Terah, around 1,992 years from the anointing of Yeshuah to now in the year 2018 AD, and around 1,000 years from the Year 6000 YB to the Year 7000 YB, which sums up to around 4,872 years summing those precise portions of time, which are within the total of 7,000 years for this heaven and earth, which leaves around 2,128 years to account for in the last two remaining portions of time to account for, from Terah to the anointing of Yeshuah, and from now to the Year 6000 YB, where if those 2,128 years are added to the Year 1880 YB of Terah, the latest year Yeshuah would’ve received the anointed would’ve been the Year 4008 YB, but since we know Yeshuah received the anointing in a Jubilee year, then the latest Jubilee year Yeshuah would’ve received the anointing within that timeline would’ve been around 8 years prior in the Year 4000 YB, where those 8 years are then subtracted from the 2,128 years left to account for, which yields around 2,120 years from Terah to the anointing of the Messiah, where those last remaining 8 years are then added to the last remaining portion of time that is left to account for, the portion of time from now until the Year 6000, which would thus be around 8 years, and since the autumn of 2026 AD would be around 8 years from now, which is indeed when the Messiah would come, then the two witnesses will appear around the spring of 2023 AD.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

We know there are around 1,880 years from Adam to Terah, around 1,992 years from the anointing of Yeshuah to now in the year 2018 AD, and around 1,000 years from the Year 6000 YB to the Year 7000 YB, which sums up to around 4,872 years summing those precise portions of time, which are within the total of 7,000 years for this heaven and earth, which leaves around 2,128 years to account for in the last two remaining portions of time to account for, from Terah to the anointing of Yeshuah, and from now to the Year 6000 YB, where if those 2,128 years are added to the Year 1880 YB of Terah, the latest year Yeshuah would’ve received the anointed would’ve been the Year 4008 YB, but since we know Yeshuah received the anointing in a Jubilee year, then the latest Jubilee year Yeshuah would’ve received the anointing within that timeline would’ve been around 8 years prior in the Year 4000 YB, where those 8 years are then subtracted from the 2,128 years left to account for, which yields around 2,120 years from Terah to the anointing of the Messiah, where those last remaining 8 years are then added to the last remaining portion of time that is left to account for, the portion of time from now until the Year 6000, which would thus be around 8 years, and since the autumn of 2026 AD would be around 8 years from now, which is indeed when the Messiah would come, then the two witnesses will appear around the spring of 2023 AD.

Mark 13:32-33. "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the father. take heed, watch and pray; for you do not know when the time is."

 

[teknonoftheos]

Mark 13:32-33. "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the father. take heed, watch and pray; for you do not know when the time is."

Knowing the year is not knowing the precise day or hour, which is still a mystery. You misinterpret this passage to mean that knowledge of the approximate time of the second coming cannot be known, for even the Israelites knew the time of their own deliverance based on the timeline that was given to Abraham,

Then Yehovah said to him, “Know for certain that for four hundred years your descendants will be strangers in a country not their own and that they will be enslaved and mistreated there. (Genesis 15:13)

Even so, unto us has been given the appointed times of the Torah, and also the timelines of the book of Daniel, so a wise man that knows these appointed times will know approximately when Yeshuah will return, whereas he who thinks that the Torah has been abolished, and subsequently does not understand the appointed times of the Torah, and neither understands the timelines of Daniel, abides in darkness, not able to discern the current times, and subsequently not able to understand when the return of the Messiah would be in relation to these appointed times of the Torah and the timelines of Daniel given to us by God. If God didn't want us to know his appointed times, such as the return of the Messiah, he would not have given us these appointed times of the Torah and timelines of Daniel to study, to then become wise in the knowledge of when these events will occur, whereas the rest who do not study and remain willfully ignorant are left in darkness, and in utter shock and surprise when the events happen,

Many shall purify themselves and make themselves white and be refined, but the wicked shall act wickedly. And none of the wicked shall understand, but those who are wise shall understand. (Daniel 12:10)