The Insanity of the "right" to have guns! II

I gave Scripture proving that self defense is Biblical. Don't just disagree, prove me wrong from those Scriptures.

For example, was Jesus wrong to violently use a makeshift weapon to clear the criminals out of His Father's house? You refuse to address this. Isn't Jesus our model?

Edited in. Just thought about this. No, it's not just the "American mind-set." Where do you think the Asian martial arts came from, anyway?

Karate--From Fukien Province in China, to Japan through Okinawa.
Jujutsu--All over Japan.
Judo--developed into a sport from Jujutsu
Chinese martial arts (popularly called Kung Fu; also Wushu and Ch'uan Fa)--from over 2000 years in the most populous country in the world. There are over 200 styles, ranging from Tai Chi Ch'uan and the other "internal" arts to Hung Gar and many more "external" martial arts
Indonesia--Penjak Silat
Philippines-- Arnis, Eskrima, and Kali
I could list many more.

Then there are the "Western" martial arts of boxing and wrestling, going back thousands of years. These arts are eminently suitable for self defense. Even the "mixed martial arts" (MMA, UFC) are descended from wrestling (catch-as-catch-can) among and boxing, along with the Asian arts. (I could easily defend myself with just wrestling, and have done so). Many Brits practice these arts.

This sounds like the Japanese man who thought there were shootouts all the time in every neighborhood in America. Machine guns are very, very strictly regulated in the US by the federal government, unlike handguns. Like my Japanese friend, maybe you've been watching too many American movies.

At any rate, the martial arts are not designed to fight a machine gun. But if someone comes at me with a knife or pistol or club, I'll take it away and hold him for the police.

You are still not answering Scriptural arguments for self defense. The means of self defense (hands, feet, knife, sword, club, gun, nunchaku, sai, quarterstaff) are secondary. If we have a God given right to self defense, and the law allows it, we may use any of these weapons.

 

The Lord told us to turn another cheek if hit or abused for his name sake, but not if wife or child was going to get hurt really bad!

 

We are to turn the other cheek, did not say all of the others have to do that!

 

A word about the "turn the other cheek" argument. The Greek word for "smite" is hrapizo (ῥαπίζω), meaning "slap," and it is translated that way in the ESV and other translations. If a person slaps you, it is really more of an insult than a dangerous assault, even though in most places in America it would be an assault, and the slapper would be arrested.

My point is that I don't have to defend myself if someone simply slaps me. But if they try to punch or kick me, then I'll defend myself. My body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, and should be protected.

 

This thread is the very reason I believe the kingdom of God and or when Christ comes in the kingdom of his glory is still future for I do not believe there will be guns in the kingdom of God however I also believe it will be shown for there to not be a need for guns, Yet I also believe after the thousand years when the devil is loosed for a season there will be weapons and the battle of Ezek 38 yet God will do the fighting for the people of God.

However in this present world of kingdoms we need the 2nd amendment.

Even if it be the jawbone of an ass.

 

Should we have fought against Hitler, or just roll over and allow nazi germany to make concentration camps all over Europe?

 

if they did not have one, would be a German colony today!Nazi would have blitzkrieg it!

 

there was every reason to fight, as all have the right to have self determination and those pesky rights granted to us by our Creator!