The Insanity of the "right" to have guns!

[Reynolds]

The fact that millions of people own guns is a guarantee for mass murder

It's actually a guarantee of freedom from the Globalist agenda

 

[JonC]

The fact that millions of people own guns is a guarantee for mass murder

The fact that there are millions of people are a guarantee of mass murder.

We have had bombings using fertilizer. We have had mass murders using vehicles. And we have with guns as well.

The issue is whether we deprived a person of a means of protection against animal attacks , of hunting, self-defense, etc, and if we end our current methods of wildlife management all to try and remove one method evil people use to kill others.

The simple answer is to ask if the UK should ban knives. Some may say "yes", but others may object.

 

[Salty]

The stats says that the rate is falling

Can you provide a link?

This does not justify the need for a Christian to own a gun

1) Firearms are owned not just for protection - but many Christians also
go hunting - of which they eat.

2) Out West -esp - its a good thing to have a sidearm -due to rattle snakes,
and other such animals.

BTW several mass shootings have been reduced because a law abiding citizen
did have a firearm handy, including at churches!

It was horrible when the Nazis engaged on the bombing blitz in 1940-41 - but what would have
happened if the Germans had landed in the UK- how would the British have defended themselves?


While we are at it - what Biblical reference - prohibits a Christian from owning
a firearm.

Jesus Christ would most certainly not own one

I don't think he would need one
So if you think that we should not have a firearm because Jesus would not;
then I suppose we should never get married either!


And finally - why did this burglar become a folk hero
History of Gun Control in England

 

[Reynolds]

Traditionally the SCOTUS has interpreted the 2nd Amendment and right to bear arms as an individual right. However, it seems that it could be interpreted as the right of states to have their own armory, which U believe makes more sense.
This being said, guns are just a tool. The problem is not the tool. The problem is the corrupt user of the tool who acts like his father, Cain, in killing his brother.

Guns can, and are, most often used for good. Walking the ranch, you run into a rattlesnake or a wild boar, you pull out your 9mm pistol and you kill the animal that is a danger to you and others. Hiking, you run into a Grizzly bear and you need to defend yourself. During hunting season you kill a deer, elk, turkey, goose ( hopefully many geese), pheasant, etc, as food for your family. A gun is a great tool for this task.

Don't hate on the gun. Hate on the corruption of humankind that uses tools for evil.

My compromise is to restrict the types of guns to be sold to the public and the amount of rounds that can be used by that tool before reloading. Keep it low. Most guns need no more than 3 shots.

If you want to know what COTUS means, look at what the authors and ratifies did. Individual gun ownership was guaranteed

 

[SavedByGrace]

Can you provide a link?



1) Firearms are owned not just for protection - but many Christians also
go hunting - of which they eat.

2) Out West -esp - its a good thing to have a sidearm -due to rattle snakes,
and other such animals.

BTW several mass shootings have been reduced because a law abiding citizen
did have a firearm handy, including at churches!

It was horrible when the Nazis engaged on the bombing blitz in 1940-41 - but what would have
happened if the Germans had landed in the UK- how would the British have defended themselves?


While we are at it - what Biblical reference - prohibits a Christian from owning
a firearm.


I don't think he would need one
So if you think that we should not have a firearm because Jesus would not;
then I suppose we should never get married either!


And finally - why did this burglar become a folk hero
History of Gun Control in England

Check the link you provided

 

[SavedByGrace]

The fact that there are millions of people are a guarantee of mass murder.

We have had bombings using fertilizer. We have had mass murders using vehicles. And we have with guns as well.

The issue is whether we deprived a person of a means of protection against animal attacks , of hunting, self-defense, etc, and if we end our current methods of wildlife management all to try and remove one method evil people use to kill others.

The simple answer is to ask if the UK should ban knives. Some may say "yes", but others may object.

Again I ask, is God not able to protect His children?

 

[JonC]

Again I ask, is God not able to protect His children?

Sure. He gives us a gun so when we jog around bears we can defend ourselves.

Seriously, though, divine protection does not excuse us from personal responsibility.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Sure. He gives us a gun so when we jog around bears we can defend ourselves.

Seriously, though, divine protection does not excuse us from personal responsibility.

See #19

 

[OnlyaSinner]

You mean that the Lord is not able to protect us?

He absolutely is able to protect us, and sometimes it's by providing us with tools to do so - strong dwellings to protect us from storms, technology to protect us from lightning, epi-pens so allergic people don't die from bee stings, and many more ways.

 

[Salty]

Again I ask, is God not able to protect His children?

Let me relate a story:

There was a weather forcast of a severe weather which would include severe flooding.
Well - it happened - the floods came - and water was about 1/2 meter deep - no way could they drive their car to safety
So the Army National Guard came with a 2 1/2 ton Truck - but Pa said "No thank you, God will save us"
The next day - the water line was near the second floor window - so the Coast Guard sent a boat - -
but Pa said "No thank you, God will save us"
The third day - the water kept rising - and now Pa and the family were on the roof of the house,
so the Air National Guard sent a helicopter to save the family
- but Pa said "No thank you, God will save us"
That night the whole family died in the flood

Upon arriving in Heaven, St Peter met them at the gate
Immediately Pa stated that they had been praying for 3 day for the Lord to save them
Pa demanded to know why God did not answer their prayer.

St Peter responded: We sent a truck, a boat, and a helicopter! what what else should we have done!

 

[JonC]

See #19

I see not carrying protection against animal attacks when in an area where such attacks are a probability as tempting God.

But I understand your argument.

Let's look at this argument in principle.

If we wear a seat belt, a life jacket, a helmet, a car seat for a child, etc. then this demonstrates a lack of faith in God to protect us.

 

[Salty]

Sure. He gives us a gun so when we jog around bears we can defend ourselves.

Seriously, though, divine protection does not excuse us from personal responsibility.

Jon - do you believe in the right to arm bears?

https://picfiles.alphacoders.com/392/392228.jpg

 

[JonC]

Jon - do you believe in the right to arm bears? https://picfiles.alphacoders.com/392/392228.jpg

I believe in MY right to bear arms. The other guy...not so much.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Let me relate a story:

There was a weather forcast of a severe weather which would include severe flooding.
Well - it happened - the floods came - and water was about 1/2 meter deep - no way could they drive their car to safety
So the Army National Guard came with a 2 1/2 ton Truck - but Pa said "No thank you, God will save us"
The next day - the water line was near the second floor window - so the Coast Guard sent a boat - -
but Pa said "No thank you, God will save us"
The third day - the water kept rising - and now Pa and the family were on the roof of the house,
so the Air National Guard sent a helicopter to save the family
- but Pa said "No thank you, God will save us"
That night the whole family died in the flood

Upon arriving in Heaven, St Peter met them at the gate
Immediately Pa stated that they had been praying for 3 day for the Lord to save them
Pa demanded to know why God did not answer their prayer.

St Peter responded: We sent a truck, a boat, and a helicopter! what what else should we have done!

Now read the full account for this

Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego answered and said to the king, “O Nebuchadnezzar, we have no need to answer you in this matter. If this be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of your hand, O king. But if not, be it known to you, O king, that we will not serve your gods or worship the golden image that you have set up.”
Daniel 3:16-18

Was God able to deliver them or not?

 

[SavedByGrace]

I believe in MY right to bear arms. The other guy...not so much.

O ye of little faith

 

[SavedByGrace]

I see not carrying protection against animal attacks when in an area where such attacks are a probability as tempting God.

But I understand your argument.

Let's look at this argument in principle.

If we wear a seat belt, a life jacket, a helmet, a car seat for a child, etc. then this demonstrates a lack of faith in God to protect us.

We are talking about weapons that are used to commit mass murder

 

[Salty]

O ye of little faith

So I assume you never lock the door to your house?
You leave the keys to your auto on the seat .......



and Jon - did you see the link I posted in # 32

 

[Salty]

We are talking about weapons that are used to commit mass murder

NO - you are talking about trusting God!

(only) mass murder --- so its okay to murder just one person........

 

[SavedByGrace]

NO - you are talking about trusting God!

(only) mass murder --- so its okay to murder just one person........

You live in a country where people are gun crazy. No other country in the Western world has mass shootings as in the USA

Where is the protection???

 

[Salty]

Now read the full account for this

Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego answered and said to the king, “O Nebuchadnezzar, we have no need to answer you in this matter. If this be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of your hand, O king. But if not, be it known to you, O king, that we will not serve your gods or worship the golden image that you have set up.”
Daniel 3:16-18

Was God able to deliver them or not?

Tell you what --- I will answer your question - just as soon when you answer my question --- (which you quoted)
as to why God did NOT save Pa and his family