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Calvinist doctrine of Reprobation

There is the Biblical doctrine as found in passages cited. Such as Romans 1:20-28, Proverbs 1:23-33, John 12:37-41, Hebrews 6:4-8. And repective interpreations of those texts. So according to you none of those texts have anything to do with Reprobation?

Just for starters >>

Romans 1:20-28, ". . . For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools. And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: [ Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; . . ."

 

[Van]

Agreed, the Calvinist doctrine of reprobation is as bogus as a three dollar bill.

Now if you are advocating for the "biblical doctrine of reprobation" please present it. Destructive heresies sneak in under the cover of generalizations and ambiguity. I think the word (reprobation) has been co-opted by false teaches such that no actual valid doctrine is held.

 

[37818]

Agreed, the Calvinist doctrine of reprobation is as bogus as a three dollar bill.

Now if you are advocating for the "biblical doctrine of reprobation" please present it. Destructive heresies sneak in under the cover of generalizations and ambiguity. I think the word (reprobation) has been co-opted by false teaches such that no actual valid doctrine is held.

I did . . .

. . .
Just for starters >>

Romans 1:20-28, ". . . For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools. And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: [ Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; . . ."

 

[Van]

I did . . .

If you say so....

The Calvinist doctrine of reprobation is as bogus as a three dollar bill.

 

[37818]

If you say so....

No. Not because I said so. God said so. Or did you not read?
Just for starters >>

Romans 1:20-28, ". . . For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified himnot as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools. And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: [ Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; . . ."

The Calvinist doctrine of reprobation is as bogus as a three dollar bill.

Why? Give specifics.

 

[Iconoclast]

And repeating a "taint so" post lacking a definition of a supposedly valid doctrine is a waste of electrons.

Lets see if the Calvinist doctrine of Reprobation can be defined by the posters.

"If only some people are predestined to be saved, then it logically must follow that other people are not. The doctrine of predestination to salvation is called the doctrine of election, and the doctrine of predestination to damnation is called the doctrine of reprobation."

And to repeat:

The doctrine of reprobation is as bogus as a three dollar bill. None of the verses cited support the idea.

30 Reprobate silver shall men call them, because the Lord hath rejected them.

 

[Iconoclast]

If you say so....

The Calvinist doctrine of reprobation is as bogus as a three dollar bill.

Jer.6
30 Reprobate silver shall men call them, because the Lord hath rejected them.

2cor13:
5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

6 But I trust that ye shall know that we are not reprobates.

 

[MartyF]

Thoughts?

You need a background in classical theism. Then you will see it better. See the following video: (6 minutes long)

You might want to watch 1-5 if you need a primer.

 

[Van]

As usual, some are co-opting a term and sneaking in a destructive heresy.

The Calvinist doctrine of reprobation is as bogus as a three dollar bill, and no verse anywhere in scripture supports it. Did God harden some of the lost's hearts to accomplish His purpose? Yes. Do that provide any actual support for their bogus doctrine? Nope

 

[Iconoclast]

As usual, some are co-opting a term and sneaking in a destructive heresy.

The Calvinist doctrine of reprobation is as bogus as a three dollar bill, and no verse anywhere in scripture supports it. Did God harden some of the lost's hearts to accomplish His purpose? Yes. Do that provide any actual support for their bogus doctrine? Nope

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ἀδόκιμος

(Strong's #96 — Adjective — adokimos — ad-ok'-ee-mos )
signifying "not standing the test, rejected" (a, negative, dokimos, "approved"), was primarily applied to metals (cp. Isaiah 1:22 ); it is used always in the NT in a Passive sense, (a) of things, Hebrews 6:8 , "rejected," of land that bears thorns and thistles; (b) of persons, Romans 1:28 , of a "reprobate mind," a mind of which God cannot approve, and which must be rejected by Him, the effect of refusing "to have God in their knowledge;" in 1 Corinthians 9:27 (for which see CAST , REJECTED); 2 Corinthians 13:5,6,7, where the RV rightly translates the adjective "reprobate" (AV, "reprobates"), here the reference is to the great test as to whether Christ is in a person; in 2 Timothy 3:8 of those "reprobate concerning the faith," i.e., men whose moral sense is perverted and whose minds are beclouded with their own speculations; in Titus 1:16 , of the defiled, who are "unto every good work reprobate," i.e., if they are put to the test in regard to any good work (in contrast to their profession), they can only be rejected. In the Sept.,Proverbs 25:4 ; Isaiah 1:22 .

 

[Van]

Yet another co-opting a word to push a destructive heresy. Calvinists believe you were saved (their doctrine of predestination) or damned (their doctrine of reprobation) from all eternity for all eternity, and there is nothing you can do about it for yourself or for your loved ones. They should call it their doctrine of futility.

 

[agedman]

Yet another co-opting a word to push a destructive heresy. Calvinists believe you were saved (their doctrine of predestination) or damned (their doctrine of reprobation) from all eternity for all eternity, and there is nothing you can do about it for yourself or for your loved ones. They should call it their doctrine of futility.

Van,

You are not dumb, so you just have to know your repeating does nothing to support your thinking.

Rather, take which you have agreed of the Scriptures others have offered you in refutation, and show what the difference between that Scripture compared to the Calvinist view.

For example: in icon’s post he offered both definition and various supporting Scriptures for his conclusions.

If you agree those are Scriptures but dispute the support, then use those Scriptures and show how they were interpreted wrongly.

 

[HankD]

Three dollar bill?

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Three dollar bill?

Are you asking legitimately?

 

[Iconoclast]

Van,

You are not dumb, so you just have to know your repeating does nothing to support your thinking.

Rather, take which you have agreed of the Scriptures others have offered you in refutation, and show what the difference between that Scripture compared to the Calvinist view.

For example: in icon’s post he offered both definition and various supporting Scriptures for his conclusions.

If you agree those are Scriptures but dispute the support, then use those Scriptures and show how they were interpreted wrongly.

He would if he could but he can't.

 

[Reformed]

He would if he could but he can't.

Brother, I cannot read that BB member's post but please consider being more charitable. Is it because the BB members cannot or that he has not until now? IOW is it a matter of ability?

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[Iconoclast]

Brother, I cannot read that BB member's post but please consider being more charitable. Is it because the BB members cannot or that he has not until now? IOW is it a matter of ability?

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Good Morning Reformed,

Here a few gems

Agreed, the Calvinist doctrine of reprobation is as bogus as a three dollar bill.

Now if you are advocating for the "biblical doctrine of reprobation" please present it. Destructive heresies sneak in under the cover of generalizations and ambiguity. I think the word (reprobation) has been co-opted by false teaches such that no actual valid doctrine is held.

As usual, some are co-opting a term and sneaking in a destructive heresy.

The Calvinist doctrine of reprobation is as bogus as a three dollar bill, and no verse anywhere in scripture supports it. Did God harden some of the lost's hearts to accomplish His purpose? Yes. Do that provide any actual support for their bogus doctrine? Nope[/QUOTE]

Yet another co-opting a word to push a destructive heresy. Calvinists believe you were saved (their doctrine of predestination) or damned (their doctrine of reprobation) from all eternity for all eternity, and there is nothing you can do about it for yourself or for your loved ones. They should call it their doctrine of futility.

This poster is actively opposing biblical teaching. He is not a novice or confused. He justs is set to resist.

 

[HankD]

Are you asking legitimately?

Yes and no.

 

[Reformed]

Good Morning Reformed,

Here a few gems

Brother,

My question is whether your interlocutor lacks the intellectual ability to respond to your argument, is ignorant of the subject, or he simply refuses to deal with the argument. In my experience on this board I have found it is not a lack of intellectual prowess but rather ignorance of the subject or a refusal to respond directly.

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[agedman]

Brother,

My question is whether your interlocutor lacks the intellectual ability to respond to your argument, is ignorant of the subject, or he simply refuses to deal with the argument. In my experience on this board I have found it is not a lack of intellectual prowess but rather ignorance of the subject or a refusal to respond directly.

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Do you think the “refusal to respond directly” is the result of one or both of the others? (Intellectual prow, ignorance)