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The Invitation To Heaven

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SavedByGrace

SavedByGrace

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Reformed1689 said:
It says that none seek after God
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because no human being, however "good" or "godly" their lives might be before they are saved, can ever "seek after God" of themselves. It is not in the human DNA to do this, as sin prevents it. The Holy Spirit must first "convict" the sinner through the preaching of the Gospel, that brings faith, which can lead to salvation in Jesus. Salvation is the work of the Triune God, and not man, even though man might "accept" the Gospel, he can take zero "credit" for this salvation, as it is unmerited.
 
1689Dave

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Van said:
My view is biblical, your view is unbiblical.
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I experienced your version of the gospel for many years and it ministered bondage possibly at the same level as Jehovah's witnesses have. (Both are free-will-based). It also made me think of God as a bully and me saying "uncle" to save myself. The truth set me free from all of this and "Calvie" came the closest to nailing it. So I know them by their fruits.
 
SavedByGrace

SavedByGrace

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1689Dave said:
Have you any training in ancient Greek? Do you think in that language? Or use a dictionary?
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for the past 35+ years.

what is your question for? I am not a Greek by birth, so no I do not "think" in that language. I have self taught over many years. If you have a problem with my knowledge and usage, then feel free to show. I use Greek New Testaments, grammars, lexicons, and other works.
 
1689Dave

1689Dave

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SavedByGrace said:
for the past 35+ years.

what is your question for? I am not a Greek by birth, so no I do not "think" in that language. I have self taught over many years. If you have a problem with my knowledge and usage, then feel free to show. I use Greek New Testaments, grammars, lexicons, and other works.
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We have about the same experience. Only I took a Moody Correspondence course. But I have a large Ancient Greek library of today's most respected works.
 
Reformed1689

Reformed1689

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SavedByGrace said:
because no human being, however "good" or "godly" their lives might be before they are saved, can ever "seek after God" of themselves. It is not in the human DNA to do this, as sin prevents it. The Holy Spirit must first "convict" the sinner through the preaching of the Gospel, that brings faith, which can lead to salvation in Jesus. Salvation is the work of the Triune God, and not man, even though man might "accept" the Gospel, he can take zero "credit" for this salvation, as it is unmerited.
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And as you said, he can't accept without a change from the Holy Spirit. Welcome to the Reformed position.
 
Reformed1689

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SavedByGrace said:
I said "conviction", and you quote me as "change"? :Cautious
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People dead in sin are not convicted, they like their sin, they want their sin. The Holy Spirit has to actively change someone in order for them to be convicted of their sin. Like I said, welcome to the Reformed position. Glad you finally see the truth.
 
SavedByGrace

SavedByGrace

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Reformed1689 said:
People dead in sin are not convicted, they like their sin, they want their sin. The Holy Spirit has to actively change someone in order for them to be convicted of their sin. Like I said, welcome to the Reformed position. Glad you finally see the truth.
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John 16

7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you. 8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 of sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10 of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more; 11 of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.
 
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AustinC

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SavedByGrace said:
for the past 35+ years.

what is your question for? I am not a Greek by birth, so no I do not "think" in that language. I have self taught over many years. If you have a problem with my knowledge and usage, then feel free to show. I use Greek New Testaments, grammars, lexicons, and other works.
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Charles Taze Russell was self-taught in Greek. It does not guarantee correctly dividing the word of God.
 
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