The Irrefutable Sabbath Facts

[DHK]

D.L. Moody claimed neither one.

Spurgeon claimed neither one.

The Baptist Confession of Faith claims "neither one"

I claim "neither one".

They all claim that the Sabbath commandment given by God and written in Exodus 20 -- applied from Eden to the cross for all mankind.

Yeshua is right and you won't admit it.
I haven't read all the aforementioned, but I have studied Moody's writings extensively. So I will use his writings as a basis for my comments.
Moody only claimed that the "Sabbath" was Sunday because it was convenient to do so. That is when the church gathered together. If the church had gathered on a regular basis on Tuesday he would have proclaimed that Tuesday was the "Sabbath," that is, the day that believers should take off from work, rest from their secular work and in the process come and worship God. The day didn't really matter to him. It was the principle--rest one day out of seven--preferably when the church gathers together.

They all claim that the day was "the last day of the week" - the "seven day week" making it Saturday - "The seventh day" as Exodus 20:8-11 states it.

It is. And it is for the nation of Israel and for the nation of Israel alone. Why don't you keep it as prescribed for the nation of Israel. You don't keep the Sabbath. I have demonstrated that. You are a hypocrite.

When you try to take a swipe at SDAs using such a broad brush you condemn a good portion of the Baptist church.

The broad brush has been in your hand.
These men do not keep the Sabbath. It seems that you have a problem with literacy. Moody even said he worked on Sunday (Christian Sabbath), and rested on Saturday--simply a convenient day for him. You have continued to misrepresent his beliefs.

 

[BobRyan]

Never denied that the "seventh day" is the Sabbath only denied the fourth commandment says the "seventh day OF THE WEEK' is the sabbath. Never denied it was APPLIED by God to the seventh day OF THE WEEK .

Baptist Confession of Faith does say it is the "last day of the WEEK" right?

"[FONT=&quot]From the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ this was the last day of the week, but from the resurrection of Christ it was changed to the first day of the week "[/FONT]

Since you already admit that the "seventh day" in the OT is Saturday and since the Baptist Confession of Faith admits that this is in fact "the last day of the week" -- the point remains.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

My point is that the designation "the seventh day" Sabbath is contrived by God in regard only to six preivous days of work NOT in regard to any calendar week or particular dates or days in a calendar arrangement. God diid not say the Sabbath is defined by any particular day in Calendar arrangement as no calendar arrangements existed in Genesis 1-2. God defined the Sabbath in regard to SIX WORKING DAYS PRECEDING IT

In Genesis 1 and 2 - Adam is created on day 6 --- does not work for six days -- then rests the very next day - day 7 without first working six days.

Thus it is "the day" and not "any day 7 followed by Adam work six days" in Genesis 1 and 2.

The first day of the week became the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH

Is the point where DHK claims he agrees with you??

Your argument is

1. The Sabbath commandment does not refer to any day of the real week. Just the mythical loosely defined "pick a day in 7 as long as you work six days first".

2. Because it is loosely defined - it can be applied to any day of the Calendar week where Sunday is day 1 -- as long as you work six days first. So then
God just so happens to pick Saturday the 7th day of the week "the last day of the week" as BCOF says in the OT and then just so happens to pick "The first day of the week" in the NT as the Sabbath specified of the 4th commandment.

If one of these points is optional - or not key to your position - please say so.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

They all claim (D.L. Moody, Spurgeon, Baptist Confession of Faith) that the day was "the last day of the week" - the "seven day week" making it Saturday - "The seventh day" as Exodus 20:8-11 states it.

AND They claim that this was the day applicable to all mankind and kept from Eden to the Cross.

It is. And it is for the nation of Israel and for the nation of Israel alone.

Well that is where you and the Bible differ.

That is where you and the Baptist Confession of Faith Differ,

That is where you and D.L. Moody differ.

That is where you and I differ.

Because all of those sources admit that in the OT the Sabbath was binding on all mankind not just Israel.

You are free to differ if you wish. You have free will.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[DHK]

AND They claim that this was the day applicable to all mankind and kept from Eden to the Cross.




Well that is where you and the Bible differ.

That is where you and the Baptist Confession of Faith Differ,

That is where you and D.L. Moody differ.

That is where you and I differ.

Because all of those sources admit that in the OT the Sabbath was binding on all mankind not just Israel.

You are free to differ if you wish. You have free will.

in Christ,

Bob

Why do you consider to slander Moody. You shouldn't be allowed to post on this board if you continue to misrepresent another's belief system. Moody does not believe as you say.

"all of those sources admit that in the OT the Sabbath was binding on all mankind not just Israel."

The only sabbath that Moody believed was binding on believers today was the Christian Sabbath or Sunday.
Is lying habitual with you?

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Yeshua is right and you won't admit it.
I haven't read all the aforementioned, but I have studied Moody's writings extensively. So I will use his writings as a basis for my comments.
Moody only claimed that the "Sabbath" was Sunday because it was convenient to do so. That is when the church gathered together. If the church had gathered on a regular basis on Tuesday he would have proclaimed that Tuesday was the "Sabbath," that is, the day that believers should take off from work, rest from their secular work and in the process come and worship God. The day didn't really matter to him. It was the principle--rest one day out of seven--preferably when the church gathers together.

It is. And it is for the nation of Israel and for the nation of Israel alone. Why don't you keep it as prescribed for the nation of Israel. You don't keep the Sabbath. I have demonstrated that. You are a hypocrite.
The broad brush has been in your hand.
These men do not keep the Sabbath. It seems that you have a problem with literacy. Moody even said he worked on Sunday (Christian Sabbath), and rested on Saturday--simply a convenient day for him. You have continued to misrepresent his beliefs.

Re:
<<It is. And it is for the nation of Israel and for the nation of Israel alone. Why don't you keep it as prescribed for the nation of Israel. You don't keep the Sabbath. I have demonstrated that.>>

The Seventh Day Sabbath is the only Sabbath Day for the nation of Israel God's ONLY People EVER -- "God's People" in and by "MY SPIRIT" the "Spirit" of God as commanded and FORETOLD in the OLD Testament already with the view to JESUS CHRIST the "Lord of the Sabbbath" who in SUFFERING obeyed the Law of the Sabbath Day and in DEATH was the Manna preserved and "KEPT from corruption" for to in RESURRECTION "ON THE SABBATH DAY" in honouring "the Sabbath OF THE LORD GOD" worship and magnify the LORD GOD.

Those great Christians did not honour the Sabbath but with PRETENSE dishonoured it, as well as the Lord of the Sabbath.

God's mercies indeed over-reaches many and great sins. It is NO EXCUSE FOR ANY CHRISTIAN to persist in the same sin ---yes, SIN!

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

AND They claim that this was the day applicable to all mankind and kept from Eden to the Cross.

DHK:
It is. And it is for the nation of Israel and for the nation of Israel alone.

BobRyan:
Well that is where you and the Bible differ.

NO SIR!

THAT, is where YOU, and the Bible differ!

But what SDAs say, that, is the Bible ---the Bible according to their Mrs E.G. White.

You people will never repent. You will rather walk into hell with open, alert and excellent sight eyes.

So be it then.

 

[BobRyan]

Even Christ recognized that Genesis 2 was the "sabbath" and the time the Sabbath was "made" (Mk. 2:27) long before Moses and the Old Covenant and that it was made for "man" not merely the "Jews" as no Jew existed when the Sabbath was "made."

If Jesus can be trusted as a competent interpreter of Moses then three things are indisputable facts that cannot be denied:

1. The Seventh Day Rest in Genesis 2 is the "Sabbath" - Mk. 2:27
2. The Sabbath was "made" at this point in Genesis 2 not in exodus or Deuternomy
3. The Sabbath was made "for man" not merely one race of men because when it was made no Jews existed.
.

To that much - I agree. Good review of Mark 2:27

As the Baptist Confession of Faith points out - that SAME day was kept from Eden to the cross. And we know which day "of the week" was the 7th day of the week at the time of Christ. (As it turns out).

And Moody points out that the 4th Commandment - Sabbath is THE Sabbath "kept by Adam" in the Garden. Though he loves to try to bend it to point to Sunday after the cross in in watered down "just keep one day in 7" model -- not unlike "just pick A GOD to worship as long as you only pick one". Neither of these watered down versions of these two commandments is found in the actual OT - and I think that DHK has admitted to seeing that point.

All of them argue that the TEN Commandments (yes even the 4th commandment) are still binding on the saints today

Who can blame them for admitting that the 4th commandment still applies to mankind since even Is 66:23 has it continued in the "New Heavens and New Earth" instead of "abolished".

But those sources obviously err when they try to bend commandment 4 at the cross to point to week-day-1 instead of "the Seventh day" as specified in the actual commandment.
Jesus condemns that idea in Mark 7 saying that it is not allowed to set the actual wording of the Commandment of God aside in favor of the traditions of man.


At this point - DHK will sometimes agree that the 4th commandment cannot be changed - that it applies to Saturday - the 7th day and cannot be edited in any other fashion.

On that one single point he is correct no matter his intention to "agree disagreeably".

As for GE - not sure where he is on this.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Yeshua1]

again, the Church is NOT placed back upon the Sabbath of Isreal, as that was ONLY given to the jewish peoples to observe, but Church under sabbath Day as Hebrews states, which means that you keep quoting Confessions and Moody/Spurgeon et all, and NONE of them agree with you on what the Sabbath day for the Church really means now under the New Covenant!

Why not quote to us what your false prophetess said God revealed to her about the Sabbath instead, as THOSE words are what you really base it upon,right?

 

[DHK]

To that much - I agree. Good review of Mark 2:27

As the Baptist Confession of Faith points out - that SAME day was kept from Eden to the cross. And we know which day "of the week" was the 7th day of the week at the time of Christ. (As it turns out).

And Moody points out that the 4th Commandment - Sabbath is THE Sabbath "kept by Adam" in the Garden. Though he loves to try to bend it to point to Sunday after the cross in in watered down "just keep one day in 7" model -- not unlike "just pick A GOD to worship as long as you only pick one". Neither of these watered down versions of these two commandments is found in the actual OT - and I think that DHK has admitted to seeing that point.

You are a confused man.
Perhaps we should talk about the "church." But be sure to have your dictionary open because you will never be sure which "church" I am talking about--the building, the local church, the universal church, the denominational church, etc. I haven't changed my views on anything. Sometimes the context changes and you think I have changed. You are wrong. I have admitted to nothing.

First, from Genesis, the Lord teaches a principle--man should rest one day in seven. Days of the week were not named at that time. It really doesn't matter which day it is. The principle is: Rest one day out of seven.
That is the principle of keeping the Sabbath that Moody taught.
For the common person it was on Sunday.
For him it was on Saturday, for he worked on Sunday.
It didn't matter; it could be on any day; it was the day the church gathered and the people rested from their secular work. That was the Sabbath as Moody taught it.

All of them argue that the TEN Commandments (yes even the 4th commandment) are still binding on the saints today

All have their own interpretation which is far different than yours.
Therefore: non sequitor.

Who can blame them for admitting that the 4th commandment still applies to mankind since even Is 66:23 has it continued in the "New Heavens and New Earth" instead of "abolished".

Because it doesn't apply to mankind.
Isa. 66:23 doesn't apply to mankind today.
What applies to mankind is a principle taught in Genesis, not the force of the law. The demands of the law were met at the cross.

But those sources obviously err when they try to bend commandment 4 at the cross to point to week-day-1 instead of "the Seventh day" as specified in the actual commandment.

You cannot bend a law. You either keep it or you don't keep it.
The Bible teaches that the Sabbath is Saturday; It teaches that the Sabbath is only for the nation of Israel as per Exodus 31.
You don't keep the Sabbath; you have yet to demonstrate that you do.

Jesus condemns that idea in Mark 7 saying that it is not allowed to set the actual wording of the Commandment of God aside in favor of the traditions of man.

You misunderstand what Jesus says. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. The Sabbath is not his Lord, and he is not slave to it. He made it for mankind, and for mankind's enjoyment and rest, not that mankind should be a slave to it. But, like the Pharisees, you with your traditions, have made the Sabbath (as you define it) burdensome and slavish, even to the point that you (according to EGW) believe that we are going to Hell for not worshiping on Saturday, but rather on Sunday. That is being a slave to the Sabbath. It is what Christ condemned.

At this point - DHK will sometimes agree that the 4th commandment cannot be changed - that it applies to Saturday - the 7th day and cannot be edited in any other fashion.

That is right. It was for Israel and for Israel alone. But you ignore Ex.31 and don't bother with that Scripture as much as it is put in front of you.

Exodus 31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
--Care to be stoned??

 

[Yeshua1]

You are a confused man.
Perhaps we should talk about the "church." But be sure to have your dictionary open because you will never be sure which "church" I am talking about--the building, the local church, the universal church, the denominational church, etc. I haven't changed my views on anything. Sometimes the context changes and you think I have changed. You are wrong. I have admitted to nothing.

First, from Genesis, the Lord teaches a principle--man should rest one day in seven. Days of the week were not named at that time. It really doesn't matter which day it is. The principle is: Rest one day out of seven.
That is the principle of keeping the Sabbath that Moody taught.
For the common person it was on Sunday.
For him it was on Saturday, for he worked on Sunday.
It didn't matter; it could be on any day; it was the day the church gathered and the people rested from their secular work. That was the Sabbath as Moody taught it.

All have their own interpretation which is far different than yours.
Therefore: non sequitor.

Because it doesn't apply to mankind.
Isa. 66:23 doesn't apply to mankind today.
What applies to mankind is a principle taught in Genesis, not the force of the law. The demands of the law were met at the cross.

You cannot bend a law. You either keep it or you don't keep it.
The Bible teaches that the Sabbath is Saturday; It teaches that the Sabbath is only for the nation of Israel as per Exodus 31.
You don't keep the Sabbath; you have yet to demonstrate that you do.

You misunderstand what Jesus says. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. The Sabbath is not his Lord, and he is not slave to it. He made it for mankind, and for mankind's enjoyment and rest, not that mankind should be a slave to it. But, like the Pharisees, you with your traditions, have made the Sabbath (as you define it) burdensome and slavish, even to the point that you (according to EGW) believe that we are going to Hell for not worshiping on Saturday, but rather on Sunday. That is being a slave to the Sabbath. It is what Christ condemned.

That is right. It was for Israel and for Israel alone. But you ignore Ex.31 and don't bother with that Scripture as much as it is put in front of you.

Exodus 31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
--Care to be stoned??

Still think the bottom line on this issue for Sda is its what their prophetess stated God told her on the Sabbath, all others quotes a "smokescreen!"

 

[BobRyan]

As for DHK I often complain that he "makes stuff up" quoting himself and then trying to attribute his own straw man to someone else - along with a liberal amount of bluster, ad hominem vitriol etc.

Here is a great example where he simply makes stuff up.

IOW Moody, et. al., were not keeping the Sabbath. Even with your disclaimer, you quote from them as if they did.

As anyone who has actually read my posts would know - I only complain about Moody and others claiming that Sunday keeping is the right way to observe the Sabbath commandment. I never affirm them for imagining that Sunday keeping is the way to keep Sabbath.

DHK and everyone else knows this - but DHK prefers his "make stuff up" model - when going the accusation-route. And he has free will so it is what it is.

But some here may think that this means I object to everything DHK says and that I am convinced he gets nothing right at all.

But that is not true either.

Here is a small point that DHK gets right.

"Christian Sabbath" is a common definition--Sunday, but it is not biblical,

And he gets this right (at least for the most part on THIS board) -

We all (except you) worship on Sunday. We all don't keep the Sabbath.

So while he does get that right - I think we can expect him to "Agree disagreeably" even on that.

Why are you deceptive then in quoting him, since both Biblicist and I agree with him,

Biblicist and Moody claim a "keep one day in seven" as the actual Sabbath commandment - you do not.

But I will point that just as I can identify a point or two where you actually get something right - I can do that with Moody and Spurgeon and others.

And just as that does not mean that by agreeing to one of your correct points - that I must embrace every single error that you hold - the same goes for these Baptist sources and even you know that I have complained about specific errors that they hold.

As hard as that is for you to admit when trying to agree "disagreeably".

I am not a Sabbath keeper.

I think you get that part right as well.

And if we ask Biblicist - what will he say about your Sabbath "keeping" and his own?

Will he also get that point correctly??

The Sabbath was given to Israel and only Israel. .

Let's look at Biblicist's answer to that - since it fits with Moody's view an with the Baptist Confession of Faith.

This is how Biblicist responded to that point

Originally Posted by The Biblicist

Even Christ recognized that Genesis 2 was the "sabbath" and the time the Sabbath was "made" (Mk. 2:27) long before Moses and the Old Covenant and that it was made for "man" not merely the "Jews" as no Jew existed when the Sabbath was "made."

If Jesus can be trusted as a competent interpreter of Moses then three things are indisputable facts that cannot be denied:

1. The Seventh Day Rest in Genesis 2 is the "Sabbath" - Mk. 2:27
2. The Sabbath was "made" at this point in Genesis 2 not in exodus or Deuternomy
3. The Sabbath was made "for man" not merely one race of men because when it was made no Jews existed.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[The Biblicist]

In Genesis 1 and 2 - Adam is created on day 6 --- does not work for six days -- then rests the very next day - day 7 without first working six days.

Thus it is "the day" and not "any day 7 followed by Adam work six days" in Genesis 1 and 2.

Adam has nothing to do with this! Adam's works have nothing to do with this. The calender week as nothing to do with this!

The Sabbath is built upon God and His works in the preceding six days not man's. Yes, it is "the day" in regard and in connection ONLY to a preceding six days without any involvement with any calendar week.

Your argument is

1. The Sabbath commandment does not refer to any day of the real week. Just the mythical loosely defined "pick a day in 7 as long as you work six days first".

Fact#1 there was no "real week" in existence but merely six working days climaxed by the seventh day of rest from those preceding six working days. The calendar week came later.

2. Because it is loosely defined - it can be applied to any day of the Calendar week where Sunday is day 1 -- as long as you work six days first.

Not "loosely" defined but PROPERLY defined as no calendar, no computation of a month or week existed when the Sabbath was instituted. This ought to be clear since the calendar month IS NOT DIVISIVBLE BY SEVEN.

So then
God just so happens to pick Saturday the 7th day of the week "the last day of the week" as BCOF says in the OT and then just so happens to pick "The first day of the week" in the NT as the Sabbath specified of the 4th commandment.

Wrong again! Saturday is a MYTH at this point in time as no such name or designation existed until much later. Hence, the creation Sabbath cannot be pro-designated as God's choice of the "Saturday" any more than it depends upon any later human calendar calculations and designations.

The only thing that can be summized from the seven days of creation is that God worked six days and the seventh day he rested totally and wholly in regard to those six working days. Hence, only the PRINCIPLE can be deduced and APPLIED but the creation seven days cannot be restricted or defined by any post calendar week, or post-pagan name.

Hence, the PRINCIPLE is broader than the original application by God BECAUSE God APPLIES this principle more broadly Himself and that makes it undenialbe that it cannot be restricted or defined as do the Jews and SDA.

The Jews and SDA are attempting to take the primary APPLICATION and make it the exclusive APPLICATION. However, the fact there are SECONDARY applications by God's own design (Lev. 23-25) proves the CREATION SABBATH is broader in PRINCIPLE than any particular application. That is why Baptists properly gave attention to the PRINCIPLE over any Old or New Covenant APPLICATION.

Bottom line the Jewish and SDA interpretations depend wholly upon the complete restriction of the creation Sabbath to ONE PARTICULAR APPLICATION of the Creation Sabbath Law while the Baptist interpretation harmonizes with God's own BROADER application of the Creation Sabbath and thus is founded upon the broader PRINCIPLE rather than one particular and NARROWER application.

By your restrictive application you are violating the greater PRINCIPLE. This is why I used Mark 2 and what Jesus Himself said was "unlawful" for the High Preist to do in giving the tabernacle bread to David and His men. Jesus said it was "UNLAWFUL" and it was "UNLAWFUL" according the narrower definition of the "LETTER" of the Law. However, according to the great spiritual PRINCIPLE of that same Law the High preist would have violated the same Law by NOT GIVING THE BREAD to David and His men. Why? Because the NARROWER "Letter" of the Law was designed by God to prevent a GREATER PRINCIPLE from being violated.

The Creation Sabbath must be interpreted according to the GREATER PRINCIPLE which is manifested in the MULTIPLE types of applications by God Himself rather than by the "LETTER" of the fourth commandment in regard to a particular weekly application. Both the Jews and SDA violate the Sabbath law by their restrictive application because that restrictive application is not in harmony with God's own broader applications (Lev. 23-25) but that demanded restriction is in violation of the BROADER principle behind the Law and what the Law was ultimately designed for by God.

Also, those who deny the first day of the week application are equally violating the BROADER principle of the Sabbath as they too are basing their interpretation of the Sabbath upon the narrower application under the Old Covenant.

The true understanding and interpretation of the Creation Sabbath transcends anything and everything within this present sinstained creation. It transcends mere spiritual rest in Christ. It is only fulfilled when a NEW CREATION wholly without sin and a new human race totally without sin in spirit, soul and body arrives where God can once again can look upon all that he has created and made and pronounce "very good." That will not occur in the seventh millinium of this sin cursed creation but in the eternal eighth millennium of the new heavens and earth.

 

[BobRyan]

Originally Posted by BobRyan
In Genesis 1 and 2 - Adam is created on day 6 --- does not work for six days -- then rests the very next day - day 7 without first working six days.

Thus it is "the day" and not "any day 7 followed by Adam working six days" in Genesis 1 and 2. Nor even "SIX DAYS of LABOR" Ex 20:8-11 FOLLOWED by "the seventh day of rest" where Adam gets to set the time from his own perspective. For him it was the SECOND day - not the seventh. Because God is selecting 'the very day' not simply "rest the last day of whatever week you happen to have"

Adam has nothing to do with this!

Until you read the Bible in Genesis 2 where the Sabbath is made holy - the 7th day -- but not restricted to "only after Adam works 6 days".

Thus it is "the seventh day" as determined by God -- and not "a seventh day". Because in fact it is Adam's "second day"

The Sabbath is built upon God and His works in the preceding six days

I think you get that much right. It is "the very day" that God rested even though it is only Adam's second day - the Seventh day of the week is that specific day as determined by God.

It is not some "one day in seven that Adam picks after working six days" as I think we both know.

So God's own Sabbath commandment is 100% correct "The seventh day" is the Sabbath. And as the Baptist Confession of Faith admits it is the "last day of the WEEK" -- the very "same day" kept from Eden to the cross - and binding upon all mankind according to that Document and according to Spurgeon, and according to Moody and as God points out in Mark 2:27 "made for mankind".

I think even you get this point.

in Christ,

Blob

 

[The Biblicist]

Originally Posted by BobRyan
In Genesis 1 and 2 - Adam is created on day 6 --- does not work for six days -- then rests the very next day - day 7 without first working six days.

Thus it is "the day" and not "any day 7 followed by Adam work six days" in Genesis 1 and 2.




Until you read the Bible in Genesis 2 where the Sabbath is made holy - the 7th day -- but not restricted to "only after Adam works 6 days".

Again, Adam nor his work nor his second or any day following it had anything to do with the character or definition of the Sabbath day. "The Day" as the Sabbath has only to do with God and HIS six days of work - period! It is however applied to Adam following its defining establishment by God based upon God's work six days.

 

[BobRyan]

Wrong again! Saturday is a MYTH at this point in time .

The Baptist Confession of Faith admits that it is the SAME DAY that is kept from Eden to the cross and it turns out we already KNOW what day was the seventh day of the week at the time of the cross.

Hedging as you may wish - won't work there.

And even you admit that it was Saturday in the OT - so not sure why you are going down the double-speak path on that one.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[The Biblicist]

The Baptist Confession of Faith admits that it is the SAME DAY that is kept from Eden to the cross and it turns out we already KNOW what day was the seventh day of the week at the time of the cross.

Hedging as you may wish - won't work there.

And even you admit that it was Saturday in the OT - so not sure why you are going down the double-speak path on that one.

in Christ,

Bob

If you will read the rest of my post you will discover why the particular day "Saturday" makes no difference in understanding the Sabbath Law. You are following the Jewish mindset of the Sabbath in restricting it to this nparticular application when such a mandatory restrictive application violates the very principle the Sabbath law was designed to teach.

 

[BobRyan]

The Sabbath is built upon God and His works in the preceding six days I think you get that much right. It is "the very day" that God rested even though it is only Adam's second day - the Seventh day of the week is that specific day as determined by God.

It is not some "one day in seven that Adam picks after working six days" as I think we both know.

So God's own Sabbath commandment is 100% correct "The seventh day" is the Sabbath. And as the Baptist Confession of Faith admits it is the "last day of the WEEK" -- the very "same day" kept from Eden to the cross - and binding upon all mankind according to that Document and according to Spurgeon, and according to Moody and as God points out in Mark 2:27 "made for mankind".

I think even you get this point.

Again, Adam nor his work nor his second or any day following it had anything to do with the character or definition of the Sabbath day. "The Day" as the Sabbath has only to do with God and HIS six days of work - period!

Indeed it is 'the very day" that is selected and not "one day in 7 of whatever week you wish" -- God selects "The very day" and "blesses IT".

The fact that it is Adam's second day does not matter - because God is not going by Adam's account but by His own count of the 7 day week. Thus the Baptist Confession of Faith admits "last day of the WEEK".

You can keep agreeing if you like and adding "period!" at the end but it does not change the point.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[The Biblicist]

Indeed it is 'the very day" that is selected and not "one day in 7 of whatever week you wish" -- God selects "The very day" and "blesses IT".

The fact that it is Adam's second day does not matter - because God is not going by Adam's account but by His own count of the 7 day week. Thus the Baptist Confession of Faith admits "last day of the WEEK".

You can keep agreeing if you like and adding "period!" at the end but it does not change the point.

in Christ,

Bob

Again, finish reading my post and you will see that the Jewish/SDA interpretation actually violates the greater principle of the Sabbath Law.

 

[BobRyan]

Also, those who deny the first day of the week application (for the Sabbath commandment) are equally violating the BROADER principle of the Sabbath as they too are basing their interpretation of the Sabbath upon the narrower application under the Old Covenant.

.

I think that even DHK knows you are not correct on that point.

in Christ,

Bob