The Jehovah’s Witnesses and The Holy Spirit

[Alan Gross]

This cult, as do many others, deny, not only the Deity of the Holy Spirit, that He, like the Father and Jesus Christ are equally Yahweh; .

BEAUTIFUL.

With regard to Jesus:

In John 1, for example, the rendering of, "the Word was "a" God" is a grammatical possibility, however, it is a CONTEXTURAL IMPOSSIBILITY, as in many of those you have stated.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In Him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

12 But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name;

13 Who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father), full of grace and truth.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Wonder how long they will keep it there before 'editing" it?

Whenever I have brought this up, they reply that Jesus is "Might God", but not "Almighty God", and therefore as One Who is sent by Almighty God. A real cop-out, as this makes Two Gods in the Bible!

 

[37818]

I differ, as there is good evidence to show that these passages refer to the Inarnation. In what was was Jesus "begotten" at His Resurrescion? Surely it should read "reborn", rather than "begot"?

Psalms 2:7 a prophecy of the resurrection, Acts of the Apostles 13:33, "begotten" in time. Compare Colossians 1:18, Romans 8:29, Revelation 1:5. So they do refer to the incarnate Christ be way of the resurrection.

 

[Yeshua1]

So is that your way of denying the eternaly of the Father, the Son of God and the Holy Spirit to have always to be so in the Trinity? There are Christians who believe that began with the incarnation.

The 3 persons are all equally God, are eternal, but was just asking if you see that Jesus needed to be "born" off the father, and the Spirit"born" off therm?

 

[Yeshua1]

I differ, as there is good evidence to show that these passages refer to the Inarnation. In what was was Jesus "begotten" at His Resurrescion? Surely it should read "reborn", rather than "begot"?

was he not the Word of God before the Incarnation?

 

[Yeshua1]

Jesus is His Name, meaning "Saviour", and not prior to the Incarnation where He is not called this in the Old Testament. I am not sure what you mean by, "but the eternal Word of the father?", this sound like subordination to me?

Jesus did not exist in his humanity until his physical birth, so before that event, was the eternal word of the Father///

 

[Yeshua1]

Whenever I have brought this up, they reply that Jesus is "Might God", but not "Almighty God", and therefore as One Who is sent by Almighty God. A real cop-out, as this makes Two Gods in the Bible!

Jesus no longer exists, as JW see him now again Michael!

 

[SavedByGrace]

was he not the Word of God before the Incarnation?

The Word is another Term for the Second Person of the Trinity. Since John 1:1 says "In the beginnging was the Word...", it is clear that Jesus as the "Word", is from eternity past. But what do you get from this?

 

[tyndale1946]

The Word is another Term for the Second Person of the Trinity. Since John 1:1 says "In the beginnging was the Word...", it is clear that Jesus as the "Word", is from eternity past. But what do you get from this?

The Eternal Sonship of Jesus Christ he was always the Son!... All three were present at the creation of Adam... Let US make man!

Proverbs 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

Brother Glen

 

[SavedByGrace]

The Eternal Sonship of Jesus Christ he was always the Son!... All three were present at the creation of Adam... Let US make man!

Proverbs 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

Brother Glen

Exactly what has the Holy Trinity, "Let US make man", etc, got to do with the eternal Sonship of Jesus Christ? Jesus is in the OT called mainly, "The Angel (Messenger) of the Lord", Who is Himself also Yahweh, Elohim, etc

 

[Yeshua1]

The Word is another Term for the Second Person of the Trinity. Since John 1:1 says "In the beginnging was the Word...", it is clear that Jesus as the "Word", is from eternity past. But what do you get from this?

That he was not Jesus but was the second person of the trinity. and that he became the Son when Incarnated as Jesus, the God man!

 

[Yeshua1]

Exactly what has the Holy Trinity, "Let US make man", etc, got to do with the eternal Sonship of Jesus Christ? Jesus is in the OT called mainly, "The Angel (Messenger) of the Lord", Who is Himself also Yahweh, Elohim, etc

Jesus in his humanity did not exist until birth, so was he not the Word before that event then?

 

[37818]

The 3 persons are all equally God, are eternal, but was just asking if you see that Jesus needed to be "born" off the father, and the Spirit"born" off them?

As for the three Persons being equally God, there was no being born anything between any of them!

 

[SavedByGrace]

Jesus in his humanity did not exist until birth, so was he not the Word before that event then?

the answer is in John 1:1

 

[Yeshua1]

the answer is in John 1:1

yes, as he was the Word, but not the Son!

 

[37818]

yes, as he was the Word, but not the Son!

So you deny His eternal Sonship prior to His incarnation.

 

[robycop3]

The "Jesus = Michael" stuff is BLASPHEMY ! Not only do the Jabroney False Witlesses believe it, bit so do the Seven-Day-Adlibbers & who knows how many other cults. Remember, not even Michael dared badmouth Satan when they were contending for the body of Moses, while Jesus badmouthed Satan without hesitation.

 

[37818]

The "Jesus = Michael" stuff is BLASPHEMY ! Not only do the Jabroney False Witlesses believe it, bit so do the Seven-Day-Adlibbers & who knows how many other cults. Remember, not even Michael dared badmouth Satan when they were contending for the body of Moses, while Jesus badmouthed Satan without hesitation.

The notion that Michael Archangel is the uncreated Son of God has long been held by Trinitarans. Baptist John Gill as an example. See his comment on Jude 1:9.

The Angel of Jehovah, Zechariah 3:2.

 

[robycop3]

The notion that Michael Archangel is the uncreated Son of God has long been held by Trinitarans. Baptist John Gill as an example.

And Gill & those others are just-as-wrong as the cults are.

 

[37818]

And Gill & those others are just-as-wrong as the cults are.

What proof do you have? In light of Zechariah 3:1-2 Jude 1:9 is a very lame argument.