The KJV...the "Model T Bible Version

[HeirofSalvation]

Based upon their posted knowledge, would see those 2, along with john of japan as the textual critics here on Board!

I don't know about Origen...
Neither JOJ nor Logos (both of whose knowledge is perfectly respectable) are experts on Textual Criticism.
They don't have to be.
Isn't it enough that JOJ is an expert in Linguistics an authority on the Japanese language, at least Koine Greek etc...without pretending he's an expert on T.C?
Logos certainly knows as much, if not more, than anyone about the general KJVO debate.... a lot of it consists of what other scholars (and non-scholars) have asserted about the debate. A lot of that consists of knowing what others, scholars and non-scholars alike say about the question. He may know more than anyone on the planet what everyone from the respectable John Burgon to the most absurd Peter Ruckman have said on the topic, and probably has all those statements memorized. But that doesn't actually make him an expert on Textual Criticism itself.

For neither one is it their field of expertise, and they don't tend to claim it is.
You are way too easily impressed.

 

[church mouse guy]

I would say that they make the Kjv out to be something that not even the translators themselves ever did, as they saw the need to revise and better their efforts in the future, as not a finished and perfect work!

Is that a yes or a no?

 

[HeirofSalvation]

Is that a yes or a no?

I am curious, now, to see how he answers that question.
Don't hold your breath.
I don't think he will.

 

[Yeshua1]

Yes, and I don't think @1689Dave was arguing that they were inspired.

I agree with you on that, but at times he has used the Creeds as somehow how to prove what holds to right theology, and I prefer to cite scriptures for that purpose!

 

[Yeshua1]

Is that a yes or a no?

I would say that those who hold to fervent Kjvo, not the preferred KJV, but adamant KJVO, are cultic....

 

[Reformed1689]

I would say that those who hold to fervent Kjvo, not the preferred KJV, but adamant KJVO, are cultic....

Meaning the ones who believe it is a sin to use anything else?

 

[church mouse guy]

I would say that those who hold to fervent Kjvo, not the preferred KJV, but adamant KJVO, are cultic....

No, not even close to a cult but you and Roby agree if that is any consolation to you. KJV Only are Fundamentalists who have a strong liking for the KJV. There is nothing wrong with that per se because the KJV is a sound translation with no more human shortcomings than any other translations and no translation disputes affecting any doctrine and a much better translation than some later ones.

Fundamentalism per se is good and true.

 

[37818]

Based on what? I know what your understanding is, but what do you base it on?

General reading on the matter. Off the cuff, one simple examle, P66 misspells γινομενου, has an alpha for the omicron.

 

[Reformed1689]

General reading on the matter. Off the cuff, one simple examle, P66 misspells γινομενου, has an alpha for the omicron.

You must have pretty selective reading on the matter then...

 

[Wesley Briggman]

davidtaylorjr Post 179

”Wesley Briggman said: ↑

The KJV says "peace, good will toward men." This is a universal blessing to non-repentant and repentant sinners.

Which goes against the rest of Scripture.”

I agree. Just wish you had quoted my entire post as stated below.

Wesley Briggman Post #4

“[Luk 2:14 KJV] Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.

[Luk 2:14 ESV] "Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace among those with whom he is pleased!"

The significant difference in the translation of this verse is monumental to me.

The KJV says "peace, good will toward men." This is a universal blessing to non-repentant and repentant sinners.

The ESV restricts the blessing to God's elect. This is consistent with God's promises to His children throughout scripture. He has made no promises of goodwill to the non-elect.”

 

[Reformed1689]

davidtaylorjr Post 179

”Wesley Briggman said: ↑

The KJV says "peace, good will toward men." This is a universal blessing to non-repentant and repentant sinners.

Which goes against the rest of Scripture.”

I agree. Just wish you had quoted my entire post as stated below.

Wesley Briggman Post #4

“[Luk 2:14 KJV] Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.

[Luk 2:14 ESV] "Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace among those with whom he is pleased!"

The significant difference in the translation of this verse is monumental to me.

The KJV says "peace, good will toward men." This is a universal blessing to non-repentant and repentant sinners.

The ESV restricts the blessing to God's elect. This is consistent with God's promises to His children throughout scripture. He has made no promises of goodwill to the non-elect.”

My apologies!

 

[Squire Robertsson]

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[Squire Robertsson]

I wouldn't compare the AV 12611 to the Model T. The Model T is so obsolete as to be dangerous for every day driving on anything but city streets. I would however compare it to a . 56 Chevy Bel Aire.

 

[Van]

I wouldn't compare the AV 12611 to the Model T. The Model T is so obsolete as to be dangerous for every day driving on anything but city streets. I would however compare it to a . 56 Chevy Bel Aire.

Years ago, when drove my 1957 Bel Air Sports Coupe, with 4 barrel carb and twice pipes, I still carried by KJV bible. However, in the late 1970's or early 1980's I started using the NASB. I loved my 57 but my car today, has 4 wheel independent suspension, disk brakes, air conditioning, and gets close to 30 MPG on the highway. If I recall, the Chevy got about 14 MPG, but the gas cost was less than $1.00 per gallon. Oh, and I could blow the doors off any stock 56.

 

[Conan]

I don't know about Origen...
Neither JOJ nor Logos (both of whose knowledge is perfectly respectable) are experts on Textual Criticism.
They don't have to be.
Isn't it enough that JOJ is an expert in Linguistics an authority on the Japanese language, at least Koine Greek etc...without pretending he's an expert on T.C?
Logos certainly knows as much, if not more, than anyone about the general KJVO debate.... a lot of it consists of what other scholars (and non-scholars) have asserted about the debate. A lot of that consists of knowing what others, scholars and non-scholars alike say about the question. He may know more than anyone on the planet what everyone from the respectable John Burgon to the most absurd Peter Ruckman have said on the topic, and probably has all those statements memorized. But that doesn't actually make him an expert on Textual Criticism itself.
You are way too easily impressed.

Origen is certainly an expert on New Testament textual criticism. I think you have missed post's in other threads regarding him.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

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[robycop3]

Thus far, you have also not accepted my challenge. List your ministerial history.

I have none & need none to know Scripture and God's instructions to man.

 

[robycop3]

No, not even close to a cult but you and Roby agree if that is any consolation to you. KJV Only are Fundamentalists who have a strong liking for the KJV. There is nothing wrong with that per se because the KJV is a sound translation with no more human shortcomings than any other translations and no translation disputes affecting any doctrine and a much better translation than some later ones.

Fundamentalism per se is good and true.

I am an indy fundy Baptist who does not follow nor believe any MAN-MADE doctrines of faith/worship, as all of them are false, & the KJVO myth fal;ls into that category. It has NO SCRIPTURAL SUPPORT, & is totally man-made.

While KJVO isn't a cult, it's certainly a false doctrine.

 

[church mouse guy]

This thred is closed.

It is?

 

[rlvaughn]

Squire, something did not work on the closing. The thread is still open.