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The Lord Has His Way In The Whirlwind
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StraightAndNarrow
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Why not put this left wing propaganda in the politics section, I don't want to read this garbage here.
</font>[/QUOTE]Because I think it's appropriate here. There are other posts in this thread which think God sent the hurricane for one or another of His purposes. I'm suggesting another one,Why is it that you don't support the U.S. Constitution specically the First Amendment which provides for freedom of speech. You must not support our country and it's beliefs. I believe you need to come to grips with the fact that everyone doesn't think the way you do. I understand and support that. Appartently you don't. America, Love it or LEAVE IT.
Just because someone is a political liberal and I find his views repugnant does NOT mean that he is a "bad" person or not a "good" American.
America offers the freedom to say and post such. And so does Iraq, now, because of the courageous and valiant soldiers that freed that nation from the most dangerour "weapon of mass destruction", Sadam Hussein.
So we disagree with straightarrow - but he has the RIGHT and PRIVILEGE here to post his views. And they do fit in this thread.
Marcia
Active Member
Just to clarify, you are saying that God deliberately intervened and made the man blind before birth, and God supernaturally directed the storm to New Orleans, Biloxi, etc.?
As a side note, why do you have what looks like a drawing of Daniel in the lions' den as your picture on your profile?
I would wonder if those in the south are under had God's judgment because of the sin in the city such as casinos, etc. It reminds me of the huge earthquake on June 7, 1692 in Point Royal situated on the island of Jamaica where 33 acres (66 percent) of the "storehouse and treasury of the West Indies" sank into Kingston Harbor in a disastrous earthquake. An estimated 2000 persons were killed instantly and an additional 3000 more died of injuries and disease in the following days. It had been called “the richest and wickedest city in the world.” There was alcohol, gambling, women, etc. Wickedness thrived.
http://nautarch.tamu.edu/portroyal/PRhist.htm
http://nautarch.tamu.edu/portroyal/PRhist.htm
Why not put this left wing propaganda in the politics section, I don't want to read this garbage here.
</font>[/QUOTE]Luke 13:1-5 There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. 2 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?
3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
"Suppose ye that these 'New Orleaneans' were sinners above all the Americans, because they suffered such things? I tell Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish."
DHK
Fundamentalist1611
New Member
It's sad that I've not yet seen truth on this board on the reason why God sent the hurricane to the U.S.
The following statements come from author John McTernan from his book "God's final warning to America" The website (I don't endorse it) that I found these statements is: http://www.bibletopics.com/biblestudy/119.htm
Let's just say, Katrina would be #9
Eight Major "Acts Of God" That Coincided With The Timing of US Pressure On Israel To Give Up Land
October 30, 1991: President George Bush opens the Madrid Conference with an initiative for a Middle East peace plan involving Israel's land. On the same day, an extremely rare storm forms off the coast of Nova Scotia. (It was eventually tagged "The Perfect Storm," and a book and movie were made about it.) Record-setting 100-foot waves form at sea and pound the New England Coast, even causing heavy damage to President Bush's home in Kennebunkport, Maine.
August 23, 1992: The Madrid Conference moves to Washington D.C. and the peace talks resume, lasting four days. On that same day, Hurricane Andrew -- the worst natural disaster ever to hit America -- produces an estimated $30 billion in damage and leaves 180,000 homeless in Florida.
January 16, 1994: President Clinton meets with Syria's President Hafez el-Assad in Geneva. They talk about a peace agreement with Israel that includes giving up the Golan Heights. Less than 24 hours later, a powerful 6.9 earthquake rocks Southern California. This quake, centered in Northridge, is the second most destructive natural disaster to hit the United States, behind Hurricane Andrew.
March 1 to April 1997: The combination of PLO Chairman Yasser Arafat touring America and Clinton rebuking Israel for not giving away her land for peace coincide with some of the worst tornadoes and flooding in US history. On the very day Arafat lands in America, powerful tornadoes devastate huge sections of the nation, ripping across Texas, Arkansas, Mississippi, Kentucky and Tennessee. Arafat's American tour also coincides with the storms in the Dakotas, which result in the worst flooding of this century, in addition to weeks of major storms throughout the Midwest. Arafat finishes his tour and leaves the US and the storms stop.
January 21, 1998: Netanyahu meets with President Clinton at the White House and is coldly received. Clinton and Secretary of State Madeleine Albright refuse to have lunch with him. Shortly afterwards that day, the Monica Lewinsky scandal breaks into the mass media and begins to occupy a major portion of Clinton's time.
September 27-28, 1998: Secretary of State Madeleine Albright works on the final details of an agreement in which Israel will give up 13 percent of Yesha. The same day Hurricane Georges slams into the Gulf Coast with 110 mph winds and gusts up to 175. The hurricane hits the coast and stalls. On September 28, Clinton meets with Arafat and Netanyahu at the White House to finalize the land deal. Later, Arafat addresses the United Nations about declaring an independent Palestinian state by May 1999, while Hurricane Georges pounds the Gulf Coast causing $1 billion in damage. At the exact time Arafat departs the US the storm begins to dissipate.
October 15-22, 1998: On October 15, 1998, Yasser Arafat and Benjamin Netanyahu meet at the Wye River Plantation in Maryland, to continue the talks which ended on September 28. The talks are scheduled to last five days with the focus on Israel giving up 13 percent of Yesha. The talks are extended and conclude on October 23. On October 17, awesome rains and tornadoes hit southern Texas. The San Antonio area is deluged with 20 inches of rain in one day. The rains and floods in Texas continue until October 22 and then subside. The floods ravage 25 percent of Texas and leave over one billion dollars in damage. On October 21, Clinton declares this section of Texas a major disaster area.
May 3, 1999: This is the same day in Israel that Yasser Arafat is scheduled to declare a Palestinian state with Jerusalem as the capital. The declaration is postponed to December 1999 at the request of President Clinton, whose letter to Arafat encourages him for his "aspirations for his own land." He also writes that the Palestinians have a right to "determine their own future on their own land," and that they deserve to "live free, today, tomorrow and forever." That same day, starting at 4:47 pm CDT, the most powerful tornado storm system ever to hit the United States sweeps across Oklahoma and Kansas. The winds are clocked at 316 mph the fastest wind speed ever recorded.
The following statements come from author John McTernan from his book "God's final warning to America" The website (I don't endorse it) that I found these statements is: http://www.bibletopics.com/biblestudy/119.htm
Let's just say, Katrina would be #9
Eight Major "Acts Of God" That Coincided With The Timing of US Pressure On Israel To Give Up Land
October 30, 1991: President George Bush opens the Madrid Conference with an initiative for a Middle East peace plan involving Israel's land. On the same day, an extremely rare storm forms off the coast of Nova Scotia. (It was eventually tagged "The Perfect Storm," and a book and movie were made about it.) Record-setting 100-foot waves form at sea and pound the New England Coast, even causing heavy damage to President Bush's home in Kennebunkport, Maine.
August 23, 1992: The Madrid Conference moves to Washington D.C. and the peace talks resume, lasting four days. On that same day, Hurricane Andrew -- the worst natural disaster ever to hit America -- produces an estimated $30 billion in damage and leaves 180,000 homeless in Florida.
January 16, 1994: President Clinton meets with Syria's President Hafez el-Assad in Geneva. They talk about a peace agreement with Israel that includes giving up the Golan Heights. Less than 24 hours later, a powerful 6.9 earthquake rocks Southern California. This quake, centered in Northridge, is the second most destructive natural disaster to hit the United States, behind Hurricane Andrew.
March 1 to April 1997: The combination of PLO Chairman Yasser Arafat touring America and Clinton rebuking Israel for not giving away her land for peace coincide with some of the worst tornadoes and flooding in US history. On the very day Arafat lands in America, powerful tornadoes devastate huge sections of the nation, ripping across Texas, Arkansas, Mississippi, Kentucky and Tennessee. Arafat's American tour also coincides with the storms in the Dakotas, which result in the worst flooding of this century, in addition to weeks of major storms throughout the Midwest. Arafat finishes his tour and leaves the US and the storms stop.
January 21, 1998: Netanyahu meets with President Clinton at the White House and is coldly received. Clinton and Secretary of State Madeleine Albright refuse to have lunch with him. Shortly afterwards that day, the Monica Lewinsky scandal breaks into the mass media and begins to occupy a major portion of Clinton's time.
September 27-28, 1998: Secretary of State Madeleine Albright works on the final details of an agreement in which Israel will give up 13 percent of Yesha. The same day Hurricane Georges slams into the Gulf Coast with 110 mph winds and gusts up to 175. The hurricane hits the coast and stalls. On September 28, Clinton meets with Arafat and Netanyahu at the White House to finalize the land deal. Later, Arafat addresses the United Nations about declaring an independent Palestinian state by May 1999, while Hurricane Georges pounds the Gulf Coast causing $1 billion in damage. At the exact time Arafat departs the US the storm begins to dissipate.
October 15-22, 1998: On October 15, 1998, Yasser Arafat and Benjamin Netanyahu meet at the Wye River Plantation in Maryland, to continue the talks which ended on September 28. The talks are scheduled to last five days with the focus on Israel giving up 13 percent of Yesha. The talks are extended and conclude on October 23. On October 17, awesome rains and tornadoes hit southern Texas. The San Antonio area is deluged with 20 inches of rain in one day. The rains and floods in Texas continue until October 22 and then subside. The floods ravage 25 percent of Texas and leave over one billion dollars in damage. On October 21, Clinton declares this section of Texas a major disaster area.
May 3, 1999: This is the same day in Israel that Yasser Arafat is scheduled to declare a Palestinian state with Jerusalem as the capital. The declaration is postponed to December 1999 at the request of President Clinton, whose letter to Arafat encourages him for his "aspirations for his own land." He also writes that the Palestinians have a right to "determine their own future on their own land," and that they deserve to "live free, today, tomorrow and forever." That same day, starting at 4:47 pm CDT, the most powerful tornado storm system ever to hit the United States sweeps across Oklahoma and Kansas. The winds are clocked at 316 mph the fastest wind speed ever recorded.
Why not put this left wing propaganda in the politics section, I don't want to read this garbage here.
</font>[/QUOTE]Because I think it's appropriate here. There are other posts in this thread which think God sent the hurricane for one or another of His purposes. I'm suggesting another one,Why is it that you don't support the U.S. Constitution specically the First Amendment which provides for freedom of speech. You must not support our country and it's beliefs. I believe you need to come to grips with the fact that everyone doesn't think the way you do. I understand and support that. Appartently you don't. America, Love it or LEAVE IT. </font>[/QUOTE]Do not question my love for my country. If you don't like that I commented that your political rhetoric is better suited for the politics thread, fine, but do not question my patriotism or my support for the USA.
BTW, I can care less if anyone thinks the way I do. You need to come to grips that the person we have running this country is a professing brother in Christ, and our leader for the next 4 years. If you don't like that, then LEAVE.
Why not put this left wing propaganda in the politics section, I don't want to read this garbage here.
</font>[/QUOTE]Luke 13:1-5 There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. 2 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?
3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
"Suppose ye that these 'New Orleaneans' were sinners above all the Americans, because they suffered such things? I tell Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish."
DHK </font>[/QUOTE]
StraightAndNarrow
Active Member
Why not put this left wing propaganda in the politics section, I don't want to read this garbage here.
</font>[/QUOTE]Because I think it's appropriate here. There are other posts in this thread which think God sent the hurricane for one or another of His purposes. I'm suggesting another one,Why is it that you don't support the U.S. Constitution specically the First Amendment which provides for freedom of speech. You must not support our country and it's beliefs. I believe you need to come to grips with the fact that everyone doesn't think the way you do. I understand and support that. Appartently you don't. America, Love it or LEAVE IT. </font>[/QUOTE]Do not question my love for my country. If you don't like that I commented that your political rhetoric is better suited for the politics thread, fine, but do not question my patriotism or my support for the USA.
BTW, I can care less if anyone thinks the way I do. You need to come to grips that the person we have running this country is a professing brother in Christ, and our leader for the next 4 years. If you don't like that, then LEAVE. </font>[/QUOTE]Jimmy Carter is a genuine Christian. He demonstrates that in what he says and does. Bush does neither. He said he believes that Christians and Moslems pray to the same god and have their own way to heaven (twice for the record). If you believe that and think a true Christian can make that statement in public twice then go on believing that Bush is a Christian. I'm not judging him. Only God can do that. I'm just saying he believes things that I don't think true Christians believe.
Magnetic Poles
New Member
More blaming the victims! [Sarcasm]Women! Yes, women will bring destruction on a nation. Let's deport them all! [/sarcasm]
LorrieGrace
Member
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Originally posted by webdog:
When God destroyed cities in the Bible, He would warn those who were believers to flee the city before it was destroyed. To my knowledge this did not happen.
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Well, I saw it on the Weather Channel. I am pretty sure it would have also been on the local news.
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Originally posted by webdog:
When God destroyed cities in the Bible, He would warn those who were believers to flee the city before it was destroyed. To my knowledge this did not happen.
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Well, I saw it on the Weather Channel. I am pretty sure it would have also been on the local news.
And you know this how? Did he tell you?
Now you believe in works salvation? You then must believe all catholics are saved.
I'm sure you have a link or source for these allegation, correct? I saw Bush during the Iowa caucas in 2000 profess is faith, so I will take his word for it.
That's right, all christians never sin or make untrue statements, like you. Ever hear of King David?
Oh really? You just said a "true christian" wouldn't say the things you allege. You just did!
Now you are the litmus test for christianity? We have to believe what you believe or we get smeared by you as non christians?
LorrieGrace
Member
So, is EVERYONE in NO non believers?
No, that's not what I said. If you were to go back to the beginning of this thread you will see that the hurricane was alleged to be "God's will" and God's destruction on NO. I am saying this is not the case, and gave my response as to why. It would help to know the dialogue of the thread before commenting. I'll say it again, christians are not the object of God's wrath. If this storm was to bring judgement on a sinful city, as was demonstrated throughout the Bible, when this kind of judgement took place, believers were warned to flee. This did not happen as I have yet to hear someone say that God called there cell phone, sent an angel, or sent a text message to flee.