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THE LORD IS…NOT WILLING THAT ANY OF YOU SHOULD PERISH

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Reformed1689

Reformed1689

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SavedByGrace said:
Now you sound crazy! Why on earth will it say that God is willing that none of the elect perish, when it is not possible. It is a nonsense statement
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It is not nonsense. It is a charge for evangelism. We do not know who the elect are, but God is patient that His elect will be saved by hearing and responding to His direct call through the preaching of His Word.
 
SavedByGrace

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Reformed1689 said:
It is not nonsense. It is a charge for evangelism. We do not know who the elect are, but God is patient that His elect will be saved by hearing and responding to His direct call through the preaching of His Word.
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Surely God knows the elect. So no need to preach to those who have been saved in eternity past
 
SavedByGrace

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Reformed1689 said:
No, all types of people, general. Read the passage.
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New King James Version 1 Timothy 2:1-6 Pray for All Men Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men, for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time,

Note, all men, Kings and all in authority
 
Reformed1689

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SavedByGrace said:
New King James Version 1 Timothy 2:1-6 Pray for All Men Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men, for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time,

Note, all men, Kings and all in authority
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Yes, and that changed nothing in what I said.
 
Alan Gross

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Gill: but is longsuffering to us-ward:

not to all the individuals of human nature,
for the persons intended by us
are manifestly distinguished from "some men" in the text,

and from scoffers, mocking at the promise of Christ's coming,
in the context, ( 2 Peter 3:3 2 Peter 3:4 ) ;

and are expressly called beloved,
( 2 Peter 3:1 2 Peter 3:8 2 Peter 3:14 2 Peter 3:17 ) ;

and God's longsuffering towards them is their salvation,
( 2 Peter 3:15 ),

nor is it true of all men, that God is not willing that any of them should perish, and that every one of them should come to repentance,

since many of them do perish in their sins,
and do not come to repentance,

which would not be the case, if his determining will was otherwise;

besides, a society or company of men are designed,
to which the apostle himself belonged,
and of which he was a part;
and who are described, in his epistles, as the elect of God,

called out of darkness, into marvellous light,
and having obtained like precious faith with the apostles;

and must be understood either of God's elect among the Jews,
for Peter was a Jew, and they were Jews he wrote to;
 
George Antonios

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SavedByGrace said:
However, the textual evidence for the reading “you” is by far the oldest and strongest, and no doubt the original.
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You do realize that "oldest" is often (I didn't say "always") weakest when it comes to manuscript evidence, right?
The manuscripts survive longer due to lack of use, due to being ignored.
One was found in the trash. Guess which one.
 
SavedByGrace

SavedByGrace

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George Antonios said:
You do realize that "oldest" is often (I didn't say "always") weakest when it comes to manuscript evidence, right?
The manuscripts survive longer due to lack of use, due to being ignored.
One was found in the trash. Guess which one.
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I don't agree with this. Evidence is evidence that speaks for itself
 
SavedByGrace

SavedByGrace

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Alan Gross said:
Gill: but is longsuffering to us-ward:

not to all the individuals of human nature,
for the persons intended by us
are manifestly distinguished from "some men" in the text,

and from scoffers, mocking at the promise of Christ's coming,
in the context, ( 2 Peter 3:3 2 Peter 3:4 ) ;

and are expressly called beloved,
( 2 Peter 3:1 2 Peter 3:8 2 Peter 3:14 2 Peter 3:17 ) ;

and God's longsuffering towards them is their salvation,
( 2 Peter 3:15 ),

nor is it true of all men, that God is not willing that any of them should perish, and that every one of them should come to repentance,

since many of them do perish in their sins,
and do not come to repentance,

which would not be the case, if his determining will was otherwise;

besides, a society or company of men are designed,
to which the apostle himself belonged,
and of which he was a part;
and who are described, in his epistles, as the elect of God,

called out of darkness, into marvellous light,
and having obtained like precious faith with the apostles;

and must be understood either of God's elect among the Jews,
for Peter was a Jew, and they were Jews he wrote to;
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Luke 22 and the account of the Lord's Supper shows that Judas took the bread and wine and Jesus told all of them present that He was to die for their sins
 
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