THE LORD IS…NOT WILLING THAT ANY OF YOU SHOULD PERISH

[AustinC]

So rather than explain your position you engage in ad hominem. That means you either have no argument or you just want to argue for the sake of arguing.

You just nailed it. The OP has given many variants of a saved by works theology and has been rebuffed in every thread. Yet, the OP persists in demanding he is the only one who isn't duped. For the OP, it seems to be the OP against the world. However, if the OP is correct, God is not willing that anyone perish, therefore all of us will not perish, whether we agree with the OP or not. [emoji2958][emoji848][emoji57]
The OP has a massive dilemma in which he cannot extract himself. Therefore, he speaks with bluster as his only means of argument.
Your engagement with the OP has been on point. It has addressed the passage and provided a reasoned understanding to readers. Thank you. We continue to hope that the OP will have eyes to see. I once struggled with this issue as the OP does. Reading God's word in combination with God graciously opening my eyes lead me to understand his unmerited favor to the elect.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Reference please.

Do you not know your Bible?

Mark 6:5
And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them.

 

[AustinC]

Only the blinded Reformed cannot see the truth of the Bible and continue in their theological nonsense

It makes me sad that you feel this way. I once held a similar thought to yours, but God helped me as I read scripture. I cannot go back and close my eyes to what God clearly says. Please note that I referenced many passages in my earlier response. My position is not from ignorance of God's word. Therefore your accusations cannot be coming from the Spirit of God.

 

[AustinC]

Do you guys read in the Gospels where Jesus could not do any miracles because of unbelief. Does this mean that Jesus is not able to do miracles, or that the unbelief in those around Him caused it

This is a different topic. Start a new thread regarding Jesus not doing many miracles in the town of Nazareth.

 

[Reformed1689]

Do you not know your Bible?

Mark 6:5
And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them.

Yes, why could he do no mighty work? Because of unbelief. The people were not coming to him. This in no way suggests that Jesus did not have the power to do the work.

 

[SavedByGrace]

This is a different topic. Start a new thread regarding Jesus not doing many miracles in the town of Nazareth.

Point of fact that even though God desires the salvation of every single person in the world, their unbelief means that they will not be saved. As it says in John 5.39-40

 

[SavedByGrace]

Yes, why could he do no mighty work? Because of unbelief. The people were not coming to him. This in no way suggests that Jesus did not have the power to do the work.

Now you are getting it. Even though God is willing none perish those who do not believe will perish. No fault of the Lord

 

[Reformed1689]

Point of fact that even though God desires the salvation of every single person in the world, their unbelief means that they will not be saved. As it says in John 5.39-40

Where does it say God desires the salvation of every single person? Is God not powerful enough to make it so?

 

[Reformed1689]

Now you are getting it. Even though God is willing none perish those who do not believe will perish. No fault of the Lord

God is willing that none of the ELECT will perish. If God did not will someone to perish, they would not perish. So either you don't believe God to be all powerful or you are a universalist.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Where does it say God desires the salvation of every single person? Is God not powerful enough to make it so?

1 Timothy 2:1-6. John 3.16, 2 Peter 3
9, etc etc

 

[SavedByGrace]

God is willing that none of the ELECT will perish. If God did not will someone to perish, they would not perish. So either you don't believe God to be all powerful or you are a universalist.

Now you sound crazy! Why on earth will it say that God is willing that none of the elect perish, when it is not possible. It is a nonsense statement

 

[AustinC]

You guys are ignorant of what the Bible actually teaches. I'll pray for you

My friend, I have been reading and studying God's word for over 50 years. Seeking God to open his word to me. Ignorance of what the Bible says is not my problem.
Now, I ask you to review how you have spoken in this thread. You no longer attempt to teach. Instead you call every person who disagrees with you..."ignorant"... or some variant of the word. Your words are not coming from the Spirit of God. In fact, your words are contradicting your claim that God will not allow any human to perish since you are insinuating that myself and others will perish because we don't accept your reading and interpretation of 2 Peter 3.

I appreciate your prayers for me. I am a sinner in need of prayer. I hope that you are also praying over your self as you respond. Could you possibly entertain the idea that God has brought us here to correct your misunderstanding and point you toward God who is Sovereign over all and will not allow any of His children to perish in His next judgment of fire?

 

[Iconoclast]

Do you guys read in the Gospels where Jesus could not do any miracles because of unbelief. Does this mean that Jesus is not able to do miracles, or that the unbelief in those around Him caused it

Jesus as God could do anything he wanted to at any time. But He reprobated. those people on the spot compared Matthew chapter 12 verses 38 -41

 

[Iconoclast]

Now you sound crazy! Why on earth will it say that God is willing that none of the elect perish, when it is not possible. It is a nonsense statement

Peter wrote that so the Believers would have hope as they evangelized their friends and relatives and anyone they could that God is in control and going to save each and everyone given to him by the Father

 

[Alan Gross]

So rather than explain your position you engage in ad hominem. That means you either have no argument or you just want to argue for the sake of arguing.

Trying to make a difference between, 'us' & 'you', to deny Election.

There is no difference and like Jonah said, "Salvation is of The Lord".

 

[AustinC]

Point of fact that even though God desires the salvation of every single person in the world, their unbelief means that they will not be saved. As it says in John 5.39-40

So human will is more powerful than God's will? Is God too weak so that even though God wills all to be saved, human will chooses not to be saved and therefore man's will trumps God's will?

Since Romans 3 says...

What then? Are we Jews any better off? No, not at all. For we have already charged that all, both Jews and Greeks, are under sin, as it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” “Their throat is an open grave; they use their tongues to deceive.” “The venom of asps is under their lips.” “Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness.” “Their feet are swift to shed blood; in their paths are ruin and misery, and the way of peace they have not known.” “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”

... therefore God must not be able to heal humans of their own sin.

Do you see the fallacy of your thinking? I pray you do.

 

[AustinC]

1 Timothy 2:1-6. John 3.16, 2 Peter 3
9, etc etc

???

 

[Reformed1689]

1 Timothy 2:1-6. John 3.16, 2 Peter 3
9, etc etc

1 Timothy 2:1-6 read in context shows this is talking about all types of people, not all individuals.
John 3:16 doesn't even address the issue.
2 Peter 3 we have already shown your error.

 

[Reformed1689]

Trying to make a difference between, 'us' & 'you', to deny Election.

Correct, it is a nonsense argument.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Jesus as God could do anything he wanted to at any time. But He reprobated. those people on the spot compared Matthew chapter 12 verses 38 -41

Same way many won't get saved they refused to believe what He was saying to them