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It is one of many rights which makes our country exceptional.
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The Making of a Fuehrer
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No allowed by who and in what context?
In our country we enjoy freedom of speech.
It is one of many rights which makes our country exceptional.
I can understand someone questioning the appropriateness of a certain comparison.
But what do you mean by, "some comparisons should not be allowed?"
If you mean here on the BB, then that's up to the folks that run this place, and they are well within their rights to censor this subject.
If you mean not allowed by the authorities, I would find that scary, and profoundly disturbing.
Rbell has it, by appropriateness.
I mean " such comparisons shouldn't come to people's minds ". Of course you have the right to say it, or write it, like we could here. But it's a comparison to such an awful person, a bloody dictator and butcher, with your president. It's too much (and i'm not american, i didn't support GW Bush in many things, but i never would have thought 1 second comparing him to A.Hitler).
No, it's not appropriate ... it's so extreme.
I mean " such comparisons shouldn't come to people's minds ". Of course you have the right to say it, or write it, like we could here. But it's a comparison to such an awful person, a bloody dictator and butcher, with your president. It's too much (and i'm not american, i didn't support GW Bush in many things, but i never would have thought 1 second comparing him to A.Hitler).
No, it's not appropriate ... it's so extreme.
I think paying attention to past history and noticing trends in current history is very appropriate. We would be fools not to see what is happening to America and greater fools not to speak out about it and try to influence a counter direction. Obama's "change" is not one that's good for America. The direction he's headed has been on-going for decades but he's picked up the pace a great deal and he's setting the stage for a great loss to us all. In the photo he looks more like Musulini than Hitler but that, in itself, doesn't mean much. The comparison to Hilter is made because he convinced the German people to let him assume absolute power and led his nation to doom in the name of making everything better. That's what Obama is doing. He just doesn't have the absolute power yet. What does matter is the continued growth of federal control of every aspect of our lives in the name of "greater good" and "solving all problems". No government yet has been successful at such things and, historically, the more they get involved, the more corruption, lust for power, the more limitations are imposed on individual rights, and the less productive the society becomes. That's where we are headed if we don't get hold of it.
bolded mineOriginally Posted by Spear
I find it shocking to look for a way to compare the President of the USA to Adolf Hitler in any way, because he is popular, and so many other reasons.
It probably annoys me because of our past with the nazis, and all the horror tied to such a tragedy.
Honestly, such comparisons go too far, and should not be allowed.
You are correct Spear, and the bolded portion is precisely why people are so concerned; we know the potential of his policies!!!!!!!
And incidentally, the left regularly characterized GWB as "HITLER" on far, FAR less rationality!
I wonder how many making these remarks about the popularity of Hitler were alive during his reign? Do you remember Hitler Youth? They absolutely terrorized Germany. The slaughter of people who opposed the Nazi regime did not begin with WW II, but early in the 30's. Even Germans were forced to align with Hitler with a gun at their head It was not by political persuasion.
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Jim
Cheers,
Jim
People who call the President "Hitler or the Fuhrer" have absolutely no idea about history. Hitler didn't deal with discussions in elected parliaments. he seized his power in the streets through bloodshed. The same was true of Stalin. When we get to the point where we won't allow honest discussions about differences in policy because the other side is communist or are Nazi's we've lost the heart and soul of America.
At that point (soon) we will have ceased to be a free democracy and have become a totalitarian state. But the people who will bring that about are not "the liberals" but all those who seek to demonize them. In short, the people on this board who insist upon slurring everyone who doesn't share their distorted concept of the truth.
At that point we'll fight it out in the streets.
Did it start out that way?
Read "Hitler's Cross" !!!
Paranoid delusion, devoid of truth. Unproveable hyperbole.
OldRegular
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I believe the Brown Shirts were the initial symbols and tools of Hitlers rise to power though they were not in the Military. Sort of reminiscent of Obama's Civilian Security Force. The power of the Brown Shirts was problematic to Hitler. “On June 30, 1934, Hitler's elite personal guard, the SS, and the Gestapo arrested and shot - without a trial - about 1,000 SA leaders and other political enemies.”
http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1695.html
Obama has simply promised to "call out", whatever that means, those who oppose his policies. But what will his Brown Shirts do?
Yes, it does.
http://www.baptistboard.com/archive/index.php/t-57442.html (scroll to post dated 02-12-2009, 10:21 PM)
Paranoid delusion, devoid of truth. Unproveable hyperbole.
People who are concerned about Obama - and aware of tyrants such as Hitler - do, in fact, know a fair amount about history. That's why we are very concerned about what is happening. Even here on this discussion board there is much support for the march towards a system of absolute power centered around the executive branch, validated by the courts, and authored on demand by the legislature. The steps to seize total control are not that far away. The State governments are now little more than provinces of the federal empire and forced to do everything the federal way. The courts have usurped the legislature by over-riding them and forcing whatever they want. The legislature is nothing but an self-centered organ for one special interest group after another that spends our money without regard for the burden upon us. The executive is consumed with "changing" our society, making everything "fair" and "equal", extending "rights" to an assortment of bogus categories including those rooted in absolute evil and immoral conduct, and gaining "acceptance" from the world rather than just preserving our hard-won nation by enforcing fundamental justice, protecting our sovereignty at home and abroad, and preserving individual liberty and responsibility, and protecting the proceeds of person's hard-earned wealth.
Yup. Just like I said itwas.
Bush did a great deal more harm than Obama has done to America. Under Bush we had one severe recession and another one which could still develop into a depression. Bush impeded an objective examination of 9/11 which his advisers had said would be helpful in achieving their goal of invading and occupying Iraq.
Bush showed that he wasn't really serious about pursuing the "terrorists" by stating later in his Presidency that capturing bin Laden was no longer an objective. That actually makes sense because was simply used by this fascist regime to achieve its gepolitical strategy for maintaining US world supremacy. What could be more Hitler-like than a president with the goal of world supremacy.
Bush took away many of our fundamental rights with his Brownshirt inspired Patriot Acts. These allowed his SS to crash into anyone's home without a search warrant, trash the place, and warn the inhabitants not to say anything about it under penalty of further illegal and unAmerican punishment. Furthermore these laws allowed the government to listen in on American citizen's conversations and to arrest anyone without cause, give them no recourse to a lawyer, charge them with nothing, and hold them indefinitely.
If the above sounds more like Nazi Germany than the land of the free, then we agree. Now, please tell me what Obama has done that comes close to these crimes.
OldRegular
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http://www.faithfreedom.org/obama.html
Obama is validating daily the premise presented in the above analysis. This is strongly endorsed by Marxists in this country. Unfortunately, depending on Obama's success, the entire country will suffer as we slide into third world status.
Obama is validating daily the premise presented in the above analysis. This is strongly endorsed by Marxists in this country. Unfortunately, depending on Obama's success, the entire country will suffer as we slide into third world status.
It's funny to read.
The vast majority of US people is against any " socialist " concept, so marxist i guess even more.
I understand the socialism or let's say communism, are scaring concepts for a very liberal (in terms of economy) and capitalistic country. It's not your culture, that's all, and it's been told so many times that " welfare state is bad " that most learned their lesson carefully and feel it like part of their identity. The example of USSR was a sad example of application of " communism ", like it is in China, North Korea or Cuba. It doesn't seem to work.
I respect this, that's part of why we're debating here, to confront our ideas, and sometimes mitigate what we thought to be the only possible concept in economics or politics. I learn much here about how things work over there, and to be honest, i envy some concepts or political ideas i'd like to have applied here, but not everything. No nation, nor country has all the cards, or knows better in everything than all the other. Maybe there're things done in some other countries that do work. Why don't you give it a try, like your president seems to do ? I've read an article about the fact USA where much less unilateral, but much more multilateral than they ever were with the other nations. That's great.
You're a nation that has nothing to do with marxism or socialism, and it'll not happen, because you're so much opposed to " welfare " things, to the " Feds ", and so on ... so stop using the Coué method, by repeating yourselves " We're becoming a socialist country, We're becoming a socialist country, We're becoming a socialist country .... ". Maybe at the end, and by reading articles that comfort you in that direction, you'll end up truly believing it. But that's not because you'll believe it that it'll be the truth. It's so so so far from it, believe me. Maybe you can claim you don't want more " welfare state " or " state interventionism ", but " socialism " or " marxism " are not adequate words.
To come back to the thread, your president doesn't deserve comparisons to Hitler. He was elected by let's say, half the people, and even if a part in the opposing half will always find bad anything he'll do, i don't think it's possible for him to go in such a way as it was mentioned, in dictatorship.
Take some distance please.
The vast majority of US people is against any " socialist " concept, so marxist i guess even more.
I understand the socialism or let's say communism, are scaring concepts for a very liberal (in terms of economy) and capitalistic country. It's not your culture, that's all, and it's been told so many times that " welfare state is bad " that most learned their lesson carefully and feel it like part of their identity. The example of USSR was a sad example of application of " communism ", like it is in China, North Korea or Cuba. It doesn't seem to work.
I respect this, that's part of why we're debating here, to confront our ideas, and sometimes mitigate what we thought to be the only possible concept in economics or politics. I learn much here about how things work over there, and to be honest, i envy some concepts or political ideas i'd like to have applied here, but not everything. No nation, nor country has all the cards, or knows better in everything than all the other. Maybe there're things done in some other countries that do work. Why don't you give it a try, like your president seems to do ? I've read an article about the fact USA where much less unilateral, but much more multilateral than they ever were with the other nations. That's great.
You're a nation that has nothing to do with marxism or socialism, and it'll not happen, because you're so much opposed to " welfare " things, to the " Feds ", and so on ... so stop using the Coué method, by repeating yourselves " We're becoming a socialist country, We're becoming a socialist country, We're becoming a socialist country .... ". Maybe at the end, and by reading articles that comfort you in that direction, you'll end up truly believing it. But that's not because you'll believe it that it'll be the truth. It's so so so far from it, believe me. Maybe you can claim you don't want more " welfare state " or " state interventionism ", but " socialism " or " marxism " are not adequate words.
To come back to the thread, your president doesn't deserve comparisons to Hitler. He was elected by let's say, half the people, and even if a part in the opposing half will always find bad anything he'll do, i don't think it's possible for him to go in such a way as it was mentioned, in dictatorship.
Take some distance please.
Dang it, j-w-p, now you've done gone and said the "B" word! Now we'll have to listen to alatide blow a gasket, until he's distracted on another thread by another Bush comment...
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