The mark of the beast will be literal...

[robycop3]

It will not be something you see, but what you believe (mark on the forehead) or what you follow in your acts (mark on the hand). There will be a great fight for the soul and heart of everyone on earth between good and evil, Gods faithful saints and those who choose Satan as their master. One is led by Christ and his true followers in His church and the other by Satan (or the Dragon) and his representatives who follow the apostate church which teaches against God (pagan rituals and false doctrines) and substitutes what God instituted for man (moral law and Sabbath) with what separates man from God. This apostate church (Beast of Babylon) has managed to do this for centuries and at the end if will become clear what it has done and there will be a choice as it gains allies (image of the Beast) in its fight against God. This is where the mark will be applied, those who choose God and follow Christ, and those who choose Satan and follow the Beast or apostate church with the Pope as its antichrist. Its becoming self evident to all in these final days...

No, the false prophet will issue the mark at his boss' direction, & it'll be a physical thing. Those who take it are condemned. i have previously explained all this.

 

[1689Dave]

The mark of the beast will be literal, most likely some sorta microchip. After all how could something symbolis allow people to conduct business?

Some make the ridiculous argument that MCs aren't mentioned in Scripture. GOD KNOWS THAT, & He knew that MCs would be here in the then-future, so He simply called them "marks". (Just as Jesus, knowing what meteors are, said the stars shall fall. He wanted to use language that had meaning to His audience/readership of that time.)

The tech for such implantable MCs exists right now. They can't hold all of a person's financial records, enabling one to do all his banking from it, but they CAN hold all of one's personal info, PIN #s, passwords, etc. And it's only a matter of time before virtually every place of business will have a scanner that can read those implantable MCs.

Recently, several companies offered its employees such implants to contain their PIN #s to allow them to open doors within their business place, access certain computers, etc. THE VAST MAJORITY OF THOSE EMPLOYEES, CHRISTIAN OR NOT, REFUSED THEM ! In a poll, most of them equated them with the marka the beast!

When the beast/antichrist comes to power, the Jews will either already have a new temple in Jerusalem, or it'll be built very shortly thereafter. And the rapture will occur at that time as well. The world will accept the beast's glib explanation of why millions of people vanished, and, with no Christian opposition to the implants, he will hawk them as a replacement for cash & cards, being loss-proof, or theft-proof, with tech to prevent unauthorized reading of them. Soon after the rapture, he will enter that temple in Jerusalem, stopping the daily sacrifices in it, & declare himself to be God, and his sidekick the false prophet will make the implants mandatory.

There'll be some who will realize the rapture has occurred, coming to Jesus & not taking the mark. They'll live a rough existence, having to shop in black markets while avoiding the beast's security forces, who will kill any of them they find.

And ALL who take the mark will be condemned to the lake of fire !

Let's please limit the discussion to the mark of the beast & whether it'll be literal or not. If anyone believes it'll be something besides a microchip, but still literal, please chime in !

This means many will receive it looking for the wrong thing which will never happen. I can spot those who already had it and still receive it.

 

[robycop3]

This means many will receive it looking for the wrong thing which will never happen. I can spot those who already had it and still receive it.

It doesn't exist yet.

 

[1689Dave]

It doesn't exist yet.

It's been here since Nero and the Papacy. Watch Islam, it's there too. You missed Obama's version.

 

[Hobie]

No, the false prophet will issue the mark at his boss' direction, & it'll be a physical thing. Those who take it are condemned. i have previously explained all this.

Many are taken in by this false idea, but it is a fight against a unseen enemy in spiritual warfare. Sin is not that you grab in your hand like a fish or eel, but a corruption of Gods plan which we can look at and understand, but not stamp on flesh on heads or gouge on hands.

 

[robycop3]

It's been here since Nero and the Papacy. Watch Islam, it's there too. You missed Obama's version.

Nupe. It'll be a physical thing. It won't be here til the antichrist & his sidekick the false prophet are in power. Preterism is imaginary & false.

 

[robycop3]

Many are taken in by this false idea, but it is a fight against a unseen enemy in spiritual warfare. Sin is not that you grab in your hand like a fish or eel, but a corruption of Gods plan which we can look at and understand, but not stamp on flesh on heads or gouge on hands.

Nupe. It'll be literal, as shown in Scripture.

 

[1689Dave]

Nupe. It'll be a physical thing. It won't be here til the antichrist & his sidekick the false prophet are in power. Preterism is imaginary & false.

Premillennialism is heresy according to the ancient Church (and the scriptures).

 

[Aaron]

The mark of the beast will be literal, most likely some sorta microchip.

So, not literally a mark.

 

[robycop3]

Premillennialism is heresy according to the ancient Church (and the scriptures).

Nupe!
The order according to Scripture (the main events) is:
1. The beast/antichrist coming to power.
2. The great trib.
3. Jesus returns
4. The millenium

 

[robycop3]

So, not literally a mark.

Yes, it'll be literal. Preterism is false.

 

[Aaron]

Yes, it'll be literal. Preterism is false.

What will it be, a mark or an integrated circuit? And "mark" means stamp, or brand, not device or tool. And it doesn't mean a scar, as in 'leave a mark.'

So what will it be? A mark or a chip?

 

[robycop3]

What will it be, a mark or an integrated circuit? And "mark" means stamp, or brand, not device or tool. And it doesn't mean a scar, as in 'leave a mark.'

So what will it be? A mark or a chip?

A chip, or some future tech in that line. As any reference to such tech in John's time woulda been meaningless to him & his immediate readership, Jesus simply called it a "mark".

Just a matter of semantics. John & his readership to whom he sent his writings had only 1st C. understanding, & that wasn't lost on Jesus, who used terms they'd understand.

 

[Aaron]

A chip, or some future tech in that line. As any reference to such tech in John's time woulda been meaningless to him & his immediate readership, Jesus simply called it a "mark".

Just a matter of semantics. John & his readership to whom he sent his writings had only 1st C. understanding, & that wasn't lost on Jesus, who used terms they'd understand.

K. Just realize you're making an interpretation based on an arbitrary presupposition. That ain't "literalism." Jussayin'.

 

[Hobie]

A chip, or some future tech in that line. As any reference to such tech in John's time woulda been meaningless to him & his immediate readership, Jesus simply called it a "mark".

Just a matter of semantics. John & his readership to whom he sent his writings had only 1st C. understanding, & that wasn't lost on Jesus, who used terms they'd understand.

Maybe a barcode or paper printout, or sharpie, sorry my brother that has nothing to do with the mark that will happen at the end. The mark is to be written in mens hearts and minds, their true nature in their character or their acts that they are doing. The organizations of man and institutions, unless are following and under the power of God, will work towards evil and be under Satan's power to bring men under the control of his minions and evil men; and the methods as we are seeing today, will be without any fear of God.

 

[Reformed1689]

Premillennialism is heresy according to the ancient Church (and the scriptures).

No it's not.

 

[1689Dave]

No it's not.

Council of Ephesus 431 condemned it as heresy.

The Nicene Creed says;

.... and is seated at the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again, with glory, to judge both the living and the dead; Whose kingdom shall have no end.

You think it is only for a measly 1000 years.

 

[Reformed1689]

Council of Ephesus 431 condemned it as heresy.

The Nicene Creed says;

.... and is seated at the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again, with glory, to judge both the living and the dead; Whose kingdom shall have no end.

You think it is only for a measly 1000 years.

Who that is pre-mil believes the Kingdom of God only lasts 1,000 years? Nobody that I know of. So you can stop right there.

 

[1689Dave]

Nupe!
The order according to Scripture (the main events) is:
1. The beast/antichrist coming to power.
2. The great trib.
3. Jesus returns
4. The millenium

All are false. Antichrist has been here since Nero and the Papacy and now looming in Islam. But you will never see him as long as you continue looking for the symbols of Revelation to appear instead of what they represent.

 

[1689Dave]

Who that is pre-mil believes the Kingdom of God only lasts 1,000 years? Nobody that I know of. So you can stop right there.

It does not mention your 1000 year kingdom. Only the eternal kingdom.