The mark of the beast will be literal...

[robycop3]

K. Just realize you're making an interpretation based on an arbitrary presupposition. That ain't "literalism." Jussayin'.

Jesus' other prophecies came to pass literally. No valid reason to believe the rest of'em won't come to pass just-as-literally.

 

[robycop3]

Maybe a barcode or paper printout, or sharpie, sorry my brother that has nothing to do with the mark that will happen at the end. The mark is to be written in mens hearts and minds, their true nature in their character or their acts that they are doing. The organizations of man and institutions, unless are following and under the power of God, will work towards evil and be under Satan's power to bring men under the control of his minions and evil men; and the methods as we are seeing today, will be without any fear of God.

No, it'll be a LITERAL thing that 'll enable people to conduct business. remember that no one will be able to buy or sell (conduct business) without it. Nothing written in peoples' hearts can do that.

 

[Hobie]

No, it'll be a LITERAL thing that 'll enable people to conduct business. remember that no one will be able to buy or sell (conduct business) without it. Nothing written in peoples' hearts can do that.

If you dont follow their ideas of climate change, wearing masks, or idealogy, guess what, they try to shut you down and that is happening now...

 

[robycop3]

All are false. Antichrist has been here since Nero and the Papacy and now looming in Islam. But you will never see him as long as you continue looking for the symbols of Revelation to appear instead of what they represent.

MMRRPP ! WRONG !

The antichrist/beast will be ONE MAN, assisted by a miracle-working false prophet. He will enter the temple the Jews will build in Jerusalem & declare himself God. That'll be the "abomination of desolatioon" Jesus said to watch for. It did NOT occur in the old temple.
Please pay heed to Daniel 9, 2 Thess. 2 & Rev. 13. Your pret stuff is pure imagination, with no truth to it.

 

[Hobie]

MMRRPP ! WRONG !

The antichrist/beast will be ONE MAN, assisted by a miracle-working false prophet. He will enter the temple the Jews will build in Jerusalem & declare himself God. That'll be the "abomination of desolatioon" Jesus said to watch for. It did NOT occur in the old temple.
Please pay heed to Daniel 9, 2 Thess. 2 & Rev. 13. Your pret stuff is pure imagination, with no truth to it.

Yes, and we see in the Pope and the apostacy he brings, need to read your Bible and ask for wisdom from up high.

 

[Reformed1689]

It does not mention your 1000 year kingdom. Only the eternal kingdom.

Revelation 20

 

[1689Dave]

Revelation 20

The 1000 years = Satan's binding. That's all it gives for a definition. They are not the kingdom because Satan attacks the kingdom when loosed. Don't make it say what it does not say.

 

[robycop3]

If you dont follow their ideas of climate change, wearing masks, or idealogy, guess what, they try to shut you down and that is happening now...

Nothing to do with the TRUTH of Scripture.

 

[robycop3]

Yes, and we see in the Pope and the apostacy he brings, need to read your Bible and ask for wisdom from up high.

I just referred to some Scriptures that point out the TRUTH about the coming antichrist his sidekick the miracle-working false prophet, & the mark of the beast. "You can lead a horse to water......"

 

[1689Dave]

MMRRPP ! WRONG !

The antichrist/beast will be ONE MAN, assisted by a miracle-working false prophet. He will enter the temple the Jews will build in Jerusalem & declare himself God. That'll be the "abomination of desolatioon" Jesus said to watch for. It did NOT occur in the old temple.
Please pay heed to Daniel 9, 2 Thess. 2 & Rev. 13. Your pret stuff is pure imagination, with no truth to it.

You are waiting for the symbol to appear. It never will. You should be looking for what the symbol represents and it is in clear view since Nero, the Papacy, and looming in Islam. You missed Obama's version altogether. You could end up wearing it never knowing it the way you present it.

 

[Reformed1689]

The 1000 years = Satan's binding. That's all it gives for a definition. They are not the kingdom because Satan attacks the kingdom when loosed. Don't make it say what it does not say.

You might want to read that again. That is not all it says.

 

[1689Dave]

You might want to read that again. That is not all it says.

That is the only definition given.

“And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.” Revelation 20:3 (KJV 1900)

Did Jesus bind Satan at his first advent? Yes.

“But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.” Luke 11:20 (KJV 1900)

 

[Reformed1689]

That is the only definition given.

“And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.” Revelation 20:3 (KJV 1900)

Did Jesus bind Satan at his first advent? Yes.

“But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.” Luke 11:20 (KJV 1900)

So many problems with this statement. First, you leave out verse 4 of Revelation 20:

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (emphasis added).

That's an actual reign.

With regard to Luke 11 that is talking about the Eternal Kingdom of God, not the Millennial Reign. Those are NOT the same thing. Satan has not been bound for 1,000 years, nor has he been let loose for a battle of proportions we cannot even fathom. Those things have not happened.

 

[1689Dave]

So many problems with this statement. First, you leave out verse 4 of Revelation 20:

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (emphasis added).

That's an actual reign.

With regard to Luke 11 that is talking about the Eternal Kingdom of God, not the Millennial Reign. Those are NOT the same thing. Satan has not been bound for 1,000 years, nor has he been let loose for a battle of proportions we cannot even fathom. Those things have not happened.

That is because of Satan's binding. What do you suppose is the means of his binding so he cannot deceive? Do you think it might be the gospel since the New Covenant replaced the Old?

 

[robycop3]

You are waiting for the symbol to appear. It never will. You should be looking for what the symbol represents and it is in clear view since Nero, the Papacy, and looming in Islam. You missed Obama's version altogether. You could end up wearing it never knowing it the way you present it.

Yes, it WILL appear. I referred you to Daniel 9, 2 Thess.2, & Rev. 13 as proof Scriptures the AC will be ONE MAN. And remember, when Jesus returns, that man & the false prophet will be CAST ALIVE into the lake of fire. No "symbolism" could be thus disposed of.

So far, Jesus' prophecies have come to pass LITERALLY. There's NO valid reason to believe the rest won't cometa pass JUST-AS-LITERALLY!

Your preterist symbolism is pure imagination, without a quark of TRUTH to it.

 

[1689Dave]

Yes, it WILL appear. I referred you to Daniel 9, 2 Thess.2, & Rev. 13 as proof Scriptures the AC will be ONE MAN. And remember, when Jesus returns, that man & the false prophet will be CAST ALIVE into the lake of fire. No "symbolism" could be thus disposed of.

So far, Jesus' prophecies have come to pass LITERALLY. There's NO valid reason to believe the rest won't cometa pass JUST-AS-LITERALLY!

Your preterist symbolism is pure imagination, without a quark of TRUTH to it.

What prophecies are you speaking of?

 

[robycop3]

What prophecies are you speaking of?

In Daniel 9, the prince of the people that would destroy Jerusalem. Since J already lay in ruins in Dan's time, that could only be the Romans.

In 2 Thess.2, Paul writes of the "man of sin, son of perdition" entering the temple & proclaiming himself God.

2 Thess.2:3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
Now, how can anyone say this is anything but a MAN? prets try to make him a symbol, as THE TRUTH opposes their false doctrine, but the Scripture is pretty plain. Continuing on in 2Thess.2:

5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

You may read Rev. 13 & rev. 17 for yourself, from your fave Bible version. They're both about the same beast, both the empire & its ruler.

 

[1689Dave]

In Daniel 9, the prince of the people that would destroy Jerusalem. Since J already lay in ruins in Dan's time, that could only be the Romans.

In 2 Thess.2, Paul writes of the "man of sin, son of perdition" entering the temple & proclaiming himself God.

2 Thess.2:3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
Now, how can anyone say this is anything but a MAN? prets try to make him a symbol, as THE TRUTH opposes their false doctrine, but the Scripture is pretty plain. Continuing on in 2Thess.2:

5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

You may read Rev. 13 & rev. 17 for yourself, from your fave Bible version. They're both about the same beast, both the empire & its ruler.

But, you are forcing literal interpretations (Phariseeism) on to God's word meant to be understood symbolically (Revelation).

 

[robycop3]

But, you are forcing literal interpretations (Phariseeism) on to God's word meant to be understood symbolically (Revelation).

No, you're WRONG.

Your pret stuff (symbolism) is what's false.

Proof?

the LITERAL occurrence so far of what Jesus prophesied-the days of vengeance, the temple's being completely destroyed, war & rumor of war, false christs, etc. There's absolutely NO valid reason to not believe the rest of His prophecies aren't JUST-AS-LITERAL, & the rest of the unfulfilled prophecies by others are in support of those of Jesus.

 

[1689Dave]

No, you're WRONG.

Your pret stuff (symbolism) is what's false.

Proof?

the LITERAL occurrence so far of what Jesus prophesied-the days of vengeance, the temple's being completely destroyed, war & rumor of war, false christs, etc. There's absolutely NO valid reason to not believe the rest of His prophecies aren't JUST-AS-LITERAL, & the rest of the unfulfilled prophecies by others are in support of those of Jesus.

You lie every time you call me a preterist. Repent from this and maybe you will understand the truth about your position.