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The mark of the beast will be literal...

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1689Dave

1689Dave

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Reformed1689 said:
Why don't you give them and actually exegete them then?
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“THE Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:” (Revelation 1:1)

“And there stood up one of them named Agabus, and signified by the spirit that there should be great dearth throughout all the world: which came to pass in the days of Claudius Caesar.” (Acts 11:28)

“And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.” (Revelation 15:1)

“And there appeared a great wonder [sign] in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.” (Revelation 12:1–2)

“And there appeared another wonder [sign] in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.” (Revelation 12:3)

“And he doeth great wonders [signs], so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,” (Revelation 13:13)

“And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles [signs] which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.” (Revelation 13:14)

“For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles [signs], which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.” (Revelation 16:14)

“And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles [signs] before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.” (Revelation 19:20)

signified

■ noun Linguistics the meaning or idea expressed by a sign, as distinct from the physical form in which it is expressed.


Soanes, C., & Stevenson, A. (Eds.). (2004). Concise Oxford English dictionary (11th ed.). Oxford: Oxford University Press.
 
Reformed1689

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1689Dave said:
“THE Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:” (Revelation 1:1)

“And there stood up one of them named Agabus, and signified by the spirit that there should be great dearth throughout all the world: which came to pass in the days of Claudius Caesar.” (Acts 11:28)

“And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.” (Revelation 15:1)

“And there appeared a great wonder [sign] in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.” (Revelation 12:1–2)

“And there appeared another wonder [sign] in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.” (Revelation 12:3)

“And he doeth great wonders [signs], so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,” (Revelation 13:13)

“And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles [signs] which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.” (Revelation 13:14)

“For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles [signs], which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.” (Revelation 16:14)

“And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles [signs] before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.” (Revelation 19:20)

signified

■ noun Linguistics the meaning or idea expressed by a sign, as distinct from the physical form in which it is expressed.


Soanes, C., & Stevenson, A. (Eds.). (2004). Concise Oxford English dictionary (11th ed.). Oxford: Oxford University Press.
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And notice that not all of those are the same word in Greek. And you didn't actually exegete. You went with English words, and you went with KJV English, not the original languages.
 
1689Dave

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Reformed1689 said:
Not all of the verses you posted are same word.
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“The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:” Revelation 1:1 (KJV 1900)

“This he said, signifying what death he should die.” John 12:33 (KJV 1900)

“That the saying of Jesus might be fulfilled, which he spake, signifying what death he should die.” John 18:32 (KJV 1900)

“And there stood up one of them named Agabus, and signified by the spirit that there should be great dearth throughout all the world: which came to pass in the days of Claudius Caesar.” Acts 11:28 (KJV 1900)

“Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.” Acts 21:26 (KJV 1900)

“Now therefore ye with the council signify to the chief captain that he bring him down unto you to morrow, as though ye would inquire something more perfectly concerning him: and we, or ever he come near, are ready to kill him.” Acts 23:15 (KJV 1900)

“For it seemeth to me unreasonable to send a prisoner, and not withal to signify the crimes laid against him.” Acts 25:27 (KJV 1900)

“The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:” Hebrews 9:8 (KJV 1900)

“The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:” Revelation 1:1 (KJV 1900)

“Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.” 1 Peter 1:11 (KJV 1900)


All using the same word according to Logos word study.....
 
Reformed1689

Reformed1689

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1689Dave said:
So you know more than Logos? Why don't you correct them by listing your degrees in ancient Greek?
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No but I know how to use Logos, you obviously do not. Here is the report on Rev 1.1 to show what references include the word that is used there:

Jn 12:33, 18:32, 21:19, Acts 11:28, 25:27, Rev 1:1

Notice only two of those are from your list.
 
1689Dave

1689Dave

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Reformed1689 said:
No but I know how to use Logos, you obviously do not. Here is the report on Rev 1.1 to show what references include the word that is used there:

Jn 12:33, 18:32, 21:19, Acts 11:28, 25:27, Rev 1:1

Notice only two of those are from your list.
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What makes you think you know how to use Logos when you deny the results of a basic word search?
 
1689Dave

1689Dave

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Reformed1689 said:
No but I know how to use Logos, you obviously do not. Here is the report on Rev 1.1 to show what references include the word that is used there:

Jn 12:33, 18:32, 21:19, Acts 11:28, 25:27, Rev 1:1

Notice only two of those are from your list.
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All I provided came from The KJV Logos word search based on John's use of Signified.
 
Reformed1689

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1689Dave said:
What makes you think you know how to use Logos when you deny the results of a basic word search?
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What makes me think I know how to use Logos? Well for starters, I am on of the people who helped curate and build their systematic theologies tool when it first came out. I'm one of the private beta testers (not to be confused with public beta), I routinely am in contact with their upper management about projects, bugs, and ideas. So yeah, I know how to use Logos.
 
1689Dave

1689Dave

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Reformed1689 said:
What makes me think I know how to use Logos? Well for starters, I am on of the people who helped curate and build their systematic theologies tool when it first came out. I'm one of the private beta testers (not to be confused with public beta), I routinely am in contact with their upper management about projects, bugs, and ideas. So yeah, I know how to use Logos.
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I don't trust your position so none of this matters.
 
Reformed1689

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1689Dave said:
It's the English translation of σημαίνω
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Correction, it is ONE of the translations. And signify does not always mean symbolism. If I signified that I am going to vote a certain way, is that symbolism? No. It can mean signal, make known, report, give a sign, sound an alarm, etc.
 
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