The nasty attitude toward anyone who doesn’t only support vaccine narrative

[JonC]

There is nastiness on both sides. Nastiness comes in many forms.

Now it is not even good enough to be vaccinated. It is starting to matter what brand of vaccine you received. Too many Moderna x3 people have started refusing to have close contact with anyone that has not also had Moderna x3. We have now entered the time when the poor become the untouchables, even if they agreed to be immunized with the only thing offered to them.

I'm not picking sides. The poor are not even considered a side, but are being treated the nastiest by both sides, no matter what they do.

I have not heard of the type of vaccine wars. Interesting.

I'm not sure what the poor has to do with it. We have a large homeless population in Augusta. They stay at the Salvation Army facility at night, but during the day they have to leave (except for meals). My church has a ministry with these people (several churches do).

But the homeless can also choose which vaccine they want. It is not about money. And insurance is not required.

I don't understand the status part with vaccine brands or how this has to do with the poor. You can walk into any clinic or pharmacy and choose between 3 vaccines (Moderna, Pfizer, or J&J).

Most here want the Pfizer. I think because it was the 1st used and is the one that is FDA approved. But the choice is yours. Now you can even mix and match (I wouldn't).

 

[carpro]

The reason is our nation is divided politically, and for a minority the vaccine is a political issue.

There is an extraordinary nasty attitude against those who chose to be vaccinated (even violence against nurses providing vaccinations to those wanting one).

I see it differently.

I believe to most rabid group is the one that tries to demonize and criminalize anyone who refuses to be vaccinated.

 

[JonC]

I see it differently.

I believe to most rabid group is the one that tries to demonize and criminalize anyone who refuses to be vaccinated.

I see both those who demonize or insult people for rejecting a vaccine and those who do the same to those who choose to be vaccinated on a pretty equal footing (a weak one).

People make decisions for their own health based on the information they accept.

On this board the most insulting (IMHO) is the anti-covid-vaxers. They view people who get vaccinated as blindly following the government, as liberals, as "the problem", etc.

That said, I am aware that there are some who view the unvaccinated as a problem when it comes to getting past the virus.

But on the ground it is the anti-covid-vaxers who have resorted to violence and actively stopping people from making decisions (at least temporarily).


I have an issue with misinformation. People should be allowed to make their decisions but what I see more and more are anti-covid-vaxers deliberately trying to spread misinformation to trick people into rejecting a vaccination.

Don't get me wrong. There are reasons to reject the vaccines. I'm not saying otherwise. But the fake info needs to stop.

I know a young man who gave up a good career because he did not want to get vaccinated. I applaud his ability to follow his convictions. Unfortunately in his case he had been a victim of the anti-covid-vaxers (he read that the vaccines were produced using fetal tissue).

People should not be anti-covid-vax or pro-covid-vax. Everybody should evaluate the situation and make their own decision about their health and, if applicable, the businesses they own.

 

[kathleenmariekg]

I have not heard of the type of vaccine wars. Interesting.

I'm not sure what the poor has to do with it. We have a large homeless population in Augusta. They stay at the Salvation Army facility at night, but during the day they have to leave (except for meals). My church has a ministry with these people (several churches do).

But the homeless can also choose which vaccine they want. It is not about money. And insurance is not required.

I don't understand the status part with vaccine brands or how this has to do with the poor. You can walk into any clinic or pharmacy and choose between 3 vaccines (Moderna, Pfizer, or J&J).

Most here want the Pfizer. I think because it was the 1st used and is the one that is FDA approved. But the choice is yours. Now you can even mix and match (I wouldn't).

This absolutely not the case, here. Some pharmacies do not even stock Moderna at all. For pharmacies that stock Moderna, they usually require you to book your appointment online. The online option appears to allow you to book Moderna, but after you have already entered your information, it automatically books you for Pfizer, even if they have Moderna in stock that is about to expire.

It took multiple pharmacies. I was told that I was not supposed to walk in, but when an unimmunized person does walk in, they don't chase you away too quickly before talking to you. There are multiple agendas going on that can work for or against someone like me. I made the disorganization work for me, and the pharmacists at the third place pulled some strings for me. They were not even sure it was possible, when they started processing my paperwork. I have learned that making one bureaucracy crash into another is the way I am most likely to get what I want.

 

[JonC]

This absolutely not the case, here. Some pharmacies do not even stock Moderna at all. For pharmacies that stock Moderna, they usually require you to book your appointment online. The online option appears to allow you to book Moderna, but after you have already entered your information, it automatically books you for Pfizer, even if they have Moderna in stock that is about to expire.

It took multiple pharmacies. I was told that I was not supposed to walk in, but when an unimmunized person does walk in, they don't chase you away too quickly before talking to you. There are multiple agendas going on that can work for or against someone like me. I made the disorganization work for me, and the pharmacists at the third place pulled some strings for me. They were not even sure it was possible, when they started processing my paperwork. I have learned that making one bureaucracy crash into another is the way I am most likely to get what I want.

It is interesting how different things are depending on where you live.

Here the preferred vaccine is Pfizer with the J&J right behind (I think just because it is one shot). I got the Moderna vaccine because it was so readily available and Pfizer was hard to find. Now all 3 are a dime a dozen.

And we can normally just walk in at Walmart and Target. CVS is by online appointment.

 

[kathleenmariekg]

I don't know anyone that preferred Pfizer, unless they preferred Pfizer to J&J. I don't know a single person that would not have chosen Moderna if that had been an option to them. Everyone that I know that got Moderna was wealthy, connected, or has an interesting story to tell. The middle class got Pfizer, but would have preferred Moderna. The poor got J&J unless some Pfizer was close to expiring. Here in my slum, if people wanted an immunization, they had to line up outside in heat that was sometimes 108 degrees, and they didn't know where in the line that Pfizer would change to J&J, when they got in line. Yes, they had the choice to get out of line at some point, but only after they gave all their contact info. College students came and rounded everyone up. For the most part, the Latinos went, and the African Americans did not. The only whites here are the homeless and they were not here that day. The bulldozers are our streetsweepers and had just demolished their camps.

I talked to someone I know in Boston today. I am poor, but my friends are an eclectic group. He says that Moderna was developed in Cambridge which is in Greater Boston, and talked a whole bunch of stuff. I am no expert on any of this. I just know that I am likely to be stuck couch hopping again on the couches of people that believe they are experts about Moderna, and some have been clear that no one is getting in their car or entering their home that did not have Moderna. This is not about me. This is how they are living their lives and I respect that.

People are just relieved that I got Moderna. Not that I have been immunized, but that I got Moderna. They don't have to face choices that they were worried that they would have to face, when it comes to balancing my safety against theirs. That is how THEY see this. I respect that.

God is in control. I watch more than judge or act. And when I act, I act based on what I watched and what my gut says when I am praying.

 

[JonC]

I don't know anyone that preferred Pfizer, unless they preferred Pfizer to J&J. I don't know a single person that would not have chosen Moderna if that had been an option to them. Everyone that I know that got Moderna was wealthy, connected, or has an interesting story to tell. The middle class got Pfizer, but would have preferred Moderna. The poor got J&J unless some Pfizer was close to expiring. Here in my slum, if people wanted an immunization, they had to line up outside in heat that was sometimes 108 degrees, and they didn't know where in the line that Pfizer would change to J&J, when they got in line. Yes, they had the choice to get out of line at some point, but only after they gave all their contact info. College students came and rounded everyone up. For the most part, the Latinos went, and the African Americans did not. The only whites here are the homeless and they were not here that day. The bulldozers are our streetsweepers and had just demolished their camps.

I talked to someone I know in Boston today. I am poor, but my friends are an eclectic group. He says that Moderna was developed in Cambridge which is in Greater Boston, and talked a whole bunch of stuff. I am no expert on any of this. I just know that I am likely to be stuck couch hopping again on the couches of people that believe they are experts about Moderna, and some have been clear that no one is getting in their car or entering their home that did not have Moderna. This is not about me. This is how they are living their lives and I respect that.

People are just relieved that I got Moderna. Not that I have been immunized, but that I got Moderna. They don't have to face choices that they were worried that they would have to face, when it comes to balancing my safety against theirs. That is how THEY see this. I respect that.

God is in control. I watch more than judge or act. And when I act, I act based on what I watched and what my gut says when I am praying.

I think people here referred Pfizer because it is fully FDA approved. When it first came out people liked it because it was approved for use first and Pfizer is a well known company.

Now people here seem to like it because it seems to have less severe effects than Moderna. From what I have read Pfizer is recommended for younger people as well (because of potential heart issues associated with Moderna).

Our public health office provided vacvines for the homeless under a bridge downtown and at the Salvation Army. The vaccine used was Moderna because that is what we had.

We now have a choice. I stuck with Moderna for my booster because that was what I initially got (that was all that was avaliable). About two months after my first shot we started seeing Pfizer avaliable.

But economic status has nothing to do with it here. You just show up and get the shot you want. No insurance or paperwork. Just a drivers license or state ID.

 

[Two Wings]

I offer this for the banter of who's the worst offender ...

when your means of earning a living is jeopardized by the status of a shot record ... things get real in a hurry.

Just because one actually believes there is no noticeable risk in taking the cv vax does not mean there isn't.

This is an opportunity, right? An opportunity to empathize with the stress being applied to the one who does not see the need to take the cv vax yet is being coerced/compelled/forced. An opportunity to bear another's burden.

With this knowledge, perhaps understanding can be demonstrated with the extension of grace for what is otherwise a statement too far/harsh/etc. For if the shoe were on the other foot, wouldn't it be welcome to have a bit of empathy ... especially on a board which professes Jesus Christ???

 

[kathleenmariekg]

... Our public health office provided vacvines for the homeless under a bridge downtown and at the Salvation Army. The vaccine used was Moderna because that is what we had. ... We now have a choice. ...
... But economic status has nothing to do with it here. You just show up and get the shot you want. No insurance or paperwork. Just a drivers license or state ID.

I am so glad that things are more equitable where you live. I am thankful that God provided me a way to be allowed to have close contact with people that have begun to think of me as taboo, but I worry about others that were rushed into making decisions that now make it very difficult for them to obtain permission to switch brands.

And even if the whole USA were as equitable as your home, we have a world of people that are being denied the options to choose what they want to do.

I wish everyone got to choose for themselves.

 

[JonC]

I am so glad that things are more equitable where you live. I am thankful that God provided me a way to be allowed to have close contact with people that have begun to think of me as taboo, but I worry about others that were rushed into making decisions that now make it very difficult for them to obtain permission to switch brands.

And even if the whole USA were as equitable as your home, we have a world of people that are being denied the options to choose what they want to do.

I wish everyone got to choose for themselves.

Good luck put there on Nevada. Look at it this way - you had the Moderna shot so very soon you will be in that group.

Here nobody would even know which shot you got. Heck, they really would not know (or care) if you were vaccinated.

Just move out east. We be good people.

 

[OnlyaSinner]

Some strange maneuvering with vaccines compared to our Maine experience, which was orderly though perhaps overly conservative. First in line were health workers, first responders and the immunocompromised. That was expanded to 70+ last February and I quickly put my name on the local hospital's waiting list. (They were offering only Moderna.) Got the call for getting #1 jab on March 5. Shortly after that the age limit dropped to 60 and my wife put in, then as vaccine shipments began to catch up to demand the threshold went down to "over 16". If there was any finagling with the waiting lists it's not come to light, and afaik (and noted from who got call-ups when) there was none.

 

[kathleenmariekg]

If things keep going as they are going, I may end out back east again.

I know God sent me out here for a reason. I have grown so much and learned so much and accomplished a specific thing that I am not going to discuss here. But it was important. When l finish my mission here, God will send me to my next post, and I submit, whatever and wherever it is.