The New Eve; "the mother of my Lord" [Luke 1:43]

[Walter]

I will tell you an experience I had as a student at California Baptist University. 'The Lord had spoken' to one of our 'Ministerial Students' to stand outside one of the local Catholic Churches with a megaphone (during a mass) and preach the Gospel to these Lost Souls'. He was joined by many other Ministerial Students who supported him as he shouted through the churches open doors 'Jesus is not on that cross, Mary can't save you!, the pope is a liar, your priest is a liar and you will all end up in hell if you don't come out the Great Whore'. Then as people left the church he took a statue of Mary and began bashing it with a hammer. The Ministerial Students began shoving copies of 'The Four Spiritual Laws' into peoples hands and put them on the windshields of hundreds of cars parked in the parking lot. The lead Ministerial Student began to scream at the priest as he came out to talk to the student at which time this leader (megaphone still in hand) told him he was taking all these people to Hell.

This 'witness' continued for weeks afterwords at other Catholic Churches in the area to the applaud of many at CBU. I wonder how many of those people 'felt the Lord tug a t the hearts that day?' or how many simply prayed for these poor misguided and ill-informed students? BTW, I was one of the Ministerial Students in attendance and I believed that the Lord had truly 'spoke to the Leader' as he claimed had happened. Thoughts?

 

[Oseas3]

I said the world, Christ is in heaven.

That Vanity is the same answer we get from self-proclaimed prophets, self proclaimed poombahs, popes and self proclaimed saints.

Everyone believes their own pope and only God has a better understanding then themselves.

Give me the name of one person who has better understanding than you.

Name ONE LIVING PERSON in the entire world who has a better understanding of Christianity THAN YOU DO.

I said the world, Christ is in heaven.

Do you believe religious nuts are real? Cultists Crazy wanabe prophets who think they only got it right . They come a dime a dozen here.

You can probably do a search of me asking this question they all say God/Jesus. And none agree with each other.

Name ONE LIVING PERSON in the entire world who has a better understanding of Christianity THAN YOU DO.

Lets hear it. Can anyone top you as a saint?

Hope to be understand by you and all. The messages I have posted is not from men, for I neither received it of men, of any man, neither I was taught by men, but by revelation of the Word of God, the Word is God, yeah, He, the Word, is God, the invisible God.

JESUS said: When he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Name ONE LIVING PERSON in the entire world who has a better understanding of Christianity THAN YOU DO. Lets hear it. Can anyone top you as a saint?

No, by the Word of God, has not and cannot.

 

[JoeT]

I will tell you an experience I had as a student at California Baptist University. 'The Lord had spoken' to one of our 'Ministerial Students' to stand outside one of the local Catholic Churches with a megaphone (during a mass) and preach the Gospel to these Lost Souls'. He was joined by many other Ministerial Students who supported him as he shouted through the churches open doors 'Jesus is not on that cross, Mary can't save you!, the pope is a liar, your priest is a liar and you will all end up in hell if you don't come out the Great Whore'. Then as people left the church he took a statue of Mary and began bashing it with a hammer. The Ministerial Students began shoving copies of 'The Four Spiritual Laws' into peoples hands and put them on the windshields of hundreds of cars parked in the parking lot. The lead Ministerial Student began to scream at the priest as he came out to talk to the student at which time this leader (megaphone still in hand) told him he was taking all these people to Hell.

This 'witness' continued for weeks afterwords at other Catholic Churches in the area to the applaud of many at CBU. I wonder how many of those people 'felt the Lord tug a t the hearts that day?' or how many simply prayed for these poor misguided and ill-informed students? BTW, I was one of the Ministerial Students in attendance and I believed that the Lord had truly 'spoke to the Leader' as he claimed had happened. Thoughts?

Yes I have a few thoughts, those people at Mass were closer to Christ than you could ever dream. You and your Ministerial Students were simply rude, full of hate, acting on an arrogant pretense that you knew God's will by reading a book. You and the students pretended to be your own little pope, a mini pope, you shouted invectives at yourself.

My prayers for your impaired, heart, mind and soul. That's my thoughts.

JoeT

 

[church mouse guy]

If you went to a private school, perhaps you should inquire about a refund. (The sentence underlined above is grammatically incorrect.)

And what do you claim is grammatically incorrect? Or are you just standing for vulgarity?

 

[Walter]

Yes I have a few thoughts, those people at Mass were closer to Christ than you could ever dream. You and your Ministerial Students were simply rude, full of hate, acting on an arrogant pretense that you knew God's will by reading a book. You and the students pretended to be your own little pope, a mini pope, you shouted invectives at yourself.

My prayers for your impaired, heart, mind and soul. That's my thoughts.

JoeT

My brother in Christ. God led me to the truth of.The Catholic Faith. I am very sorry for my actions inI being caught up in the actions and have written letters of apology to those churches where I participated in these travesties. Btw, the chair of the Bible department got a chuckle out of these disruptive and misguided actions of ours. Haven't heard of Catholics marching up to the doors of Baptists churches and trying the same tactics. Not very Christ like I think.

 

[JoeT]

"...date at which time all Catholics are obliged...". I am glad you limited the obligation to Catholics.

Date wasn't important, the 'obligation' was already one of love. Doctrine is for those of us who need the grace of God ministered through the Church.

Was Mary Sinless?

Yes indeed she never knew sin.

"If Mary never sinned, why did God give the high priesthood of the church to Jesus instead of her?

Christ was begotten for that purpose and born of a humble creature, the Virgin Mary.

In fact, the declaration of the Hebrews writer would lose its power if someone else had already achieved sinless perfection.

To my knowledge the only sinless high priest is Jesus Christ. But, having the inseparable natures of God and man, both full and complete, having the natures of both therefore how was Jesus born without original sin according to the nature of men unless Mary was already without sin, as it were, a New Eve? He can’t be sinless, perfect in every way except sin, unless He is born without original sin.

Speaking of Hebrews did you know Catholics have a High Priest who is both priest and victim after the order of Melchisedech, Jesus Christ. The sacrifice of Melchisedech was bread and wine. [Cf. Hebrews 5:10; 6:20]. However, only blood is the only propitiatory sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins. Jesus Christ sacrificed himself once, died, ascended into heaven. “But this man offering one sacrifice for sins, forever sitteth on the right hand of God," [Hebrews 10:12]

Before the throne of God Christ continues His sacrifice just as the earthly high priest. The eternal man offers eternally a sacrifice without end.

For Jesus is not entered into the holies made with hands, the patterns of the true: but into heaven itself, that he may appear now in the presence of God for us. Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holies, every year with the blood of others: For then he ought to have suffered often from the beginning of the world: but now once at the end of ages, he hath appeared for the destruction of sin, by the sacrifice of himself. [Hebrews 9:24-26].​

Jesus Christ as a lamb sacrificed before the Holy of Holies eternally offering sacrifice of His Body and Blood. [Apocalypse 5:6] “There is also an altar in Heaven, a golden one” (Isaias 6:6; Apocalypse 6:9; 8:3,5; 9:13; 11:1; 14:18;16:7). Our high priest is “holy, innocent, undefiled, separated from sinners, and made higher than the heavens” For participating in that same eternal sacrifice He gave us an unbloody offering, which our priests and like the High priest Aaron he only needed to enter once a year, whereby during the rest of the year his priest served the altar. [Hebrews 7:27]

Mary herself acknowledged this great doctrinal truth, i.e., that all have sinned and are in need of a Savior. She declared: “And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior” (Luke 1:47, emp. added)."

Indeed she did, for Mary was saved just as you and I, except she receives the grace of justice at her own conception.


JoeT

 

[JoeT]

My brother in Christ. God led me to the truth of.The Catholic Faith. I am very sorry for my actions inI being caught up in the actions and have written letters of apology to those churches where I participated in these travesties. Btw, the chair of the Bible department got a chuckle out of these disruptive and misguided actions of ours. Haven't heard of Catholics marching up to the doors of Baptists churches and trying the same tactics. Not very Christ like I think.

Excellent!

I didn't read your post correctly so excuse me. I'm sure the department head did get a chuckle.

But, the important thing is you need to tell us how your faith got from its state then to its state now. Sounds like an interesting story.

JoeT

 

[utilyan]

Hope to be understand by you and all. The messages I have posted is not from men, for I neither received it of men, of any man, neither I was taught by men, but by revelation of the Word of God, the Word is God, yeah, He, the Word, is God, the invisible God.

JESUS said: When he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Name ONE LIVING PERSON in the entire world who has a better understanding of Christianity THAN YOU DO. Lets hear it. Can anyone top you as a saint?

No, by the Word of God, has not and cannot.

Same thing the other self-proclaimed prophet said. So all I see is another person who has made themselves the highest authority in understanding Christianity. You think you are the holiest person on earth and the only one who can top you is Jesus Christ. Good luck with your cult.

 

[JoeT]

Okay, thanks for the answers.

Mary had a couple of lapses off the top of my head. She and Joseph took Jesus to Jerusalem and forgot and left Him there. What kind of mother is that?

That's no sin. Culture was different in the first century. The trip to Jerusalem would have been in the company of clan or tribe, each adult looking after the young. Jesus 'fell through the cracks' in a manner of speaking or perhaps deliberately turned back unnoticed.

Co-redemtrix is not dogma, as you know.

It is not dogma, but it is in the confines of our faith to believe that Mary cooperated in God's mission.

It is thought that Mary died in 48 AD according to New Advent. The wages of sin is death.

Spiritual death.

If you read she died in 48 AD then you were citing a legend, there also one that also has Mary consumed into heaven while she yet breaths.

Is the Pope considered the king of the earth?

Yes, he is first among equal, Our Holy Father and the Pope can also have a temporal kingdom.

The Church gave up it temporal leadership in the 19th century. She claimed spiritual and temporal power over all the world. Christ handed the Church a two-edged sword [Cf. Luke 22:38].

JoeT

 

[robycop3]

Seems you do not know the Holy Scriptures
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~I referred to Revelation 17:v.9-10~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
10 And there are seven KINGS: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. (That is 42 months, no more, no more)

Who are these 7 "Kings"? The 7 kings are a lineage of Popes.

But why does Revelation call these leaders and religious guides of the Roman Catholic Church as "kings"? Remember: The things revealed in the book of Revelation were written around the year 95, the function or the title "Pope" was not yet used at that time, understand?

And who are these 7 "kings" , and what are the NAME of each one of them in the religious hierarchy of the idolater Church of the Beast, the Roman Catholic Church?

I will say who are them and their NAMES as follow:

These 7 "Kings" are of a lineage of Popes nicknamed as Paulus, as follow:

Paulus I - 29 May 757 – 28 June 767 - (10 years, 30 days)

Paulus II - 30 August 1464 – 26 July 1471 - (6 years, 330 days)

Paulus III - 13 October 1534 – 10 Nov 1549 - (15 years, 28 days)

Paulus IV - 23 May 1555 – 18 Aug 1559 - (4 years, 87 days)

Paulus V - 16 May 1605 – 28 Jan 1621 - (15 years, 257 days)

Paulus VI - 21 June 1963 – 6 Aug 1978 - (15 years, 46 days)

Paulus VII - This seventh "king" and last Pope is not yet come; and when he cometh, he MUST continue a short space, i.e. 42 months or 1,260 days, no more, no more, as it is determined by the written Word of God-Revelation 13:v.5-, the Word is God, do you understand?

Note: We are in the year 2,019 in accord Christian calendar. The prophecy of Revelation is very advanced in the time, today we can and MUST say that the above SIX of the 7 "kings" have fallen, it means, they already died. And are destined to eternal perdition, to the hell's fire.

IN THE OTHER HAND, I see that you are the one who like to do calculations like these in your post.

Speaking of math and calculations, don't you happen to know who the Man or the Beast is whose number by his name is counted six hundred threescore and six? 6 ......... 6 .......... 6

See, many students and speculators say that this Beast "666" is the Pope, because he presents himself as Vicarivs Filii Dei, 666 in Roman numerals. In addition the Beast has 7 heads represented by 7 hills, and plus 10 horns, so, it is a religious MONSTER, and students and speculators say they are the 7 hills of Rome - Vatican City. I desagree of these two theories.

These two exemples are mere coincidence, they do not represent the true reality;

Firstly because "Vicarivs Filii Dei" is not a name of a Man, it is a religious functional title;

Second the 7 mountains or hills of Vatican City where the Beast-the Pope- is enthroned as the ruler and guide of the Roman Catholic Church, the Woman, the Great Whore, which rides upon the Pope -the Beast- yes, the 7 hills of Rome represent not at all the territorial size of the physical and religious structural extent of the Roman Catholic Church. The territorial and spiritual structures of the RCC is sat in whole earth.

Actually the 7 mountains are based specificaly in the 7 regions of the earth, not only in Rome, ie in Europe, Asia, Africa, Oceania (Australia), North America, and Central America, and South America.

There is a deep detail: In the year 95, date of the book of Revelation, only the regions of Europe, Asia and Africa were known, therefore, the regions Oceania (Australia), North America, Central America, and South America, were not known as they are today, the biblical description is prophetic, do you understand?

In a while, believe you or not, you will receive a signal on your right hand or forehead to make your purchases. No one can buy or sell unless he has this sign on his right hand or forehead, or the NAME (with surnames of parents at his birth) of the Beast, or the NUMBER of his NAME.

Evidently is about the name and surname of this MAN or this Beast, given by the parents at birth, and as for his number is 6 ..... 6 ..... 6.

I see that you are the one who like to do calculations like these in your post, and you can find hundreds or thousands of names or titles like "Vicarivs Filii Dei" that result falsely in 6 .... 6 .... 6 or suggest to, but we must not forget that only A NAME is true, knowing that the number of his name is six hundred three scores and six - 6 ..... 6 ..... 6 .

Who is this religious Beast? Remember: This Man is not the Pope.

PROBLEM:
What is the name (first and last name) of the Man translated from the number six hundred and threescore and 6 ---> 6 .... 6 .... 6 <--- which according to the Bible identifies and indicates who is the Beast? Rmember, the 666 is not the Pope.

I am waiting not only from you, but everyone who wants to participate in solving this issue. Thanks

Simple! The kings who had fallen at that times were those of Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, & Greece. The one that then was, was Rome. The 7th was the "Holy Roman Empire"; the 8th will be the antichrist's kingdom, made up at first of many of the nations & peoples of the old Roman empires, then, mosta the world.

The "beast from the earth" may be a pope or some other high RC official, but the AC himself won't recognize any religion.

 

[robycop3]

Exactly what the Catholic Church teaches! You do not understand the word 'mediatrix'. You are equivocating it with the ONE REDEEMER & MEDIATOR, Jesus Christ.

...as many RCs do. Mary is now in paradise, not knowing (or caring) about anything happening here. Again, prayers to her don't go past the ceiling.

 

[JoeT]

Simple! The kings who had fallen at that times were those of Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, & Greece. The one that then was, was Rome. The 7th was the "Holy Roman Empire"; the 8th will be the antichrist's kingdom, made up at first of many of the nations & peoples of the old Roman empires, then, mosta the world.

The "beast from the earth" may be a pope or some other high RC official, but the AC himself won't recognize any religion.

The beast is not the Pope and Mary is not a harlot you just haven't learned the meaning of Sacred Scripture yet.

JoeT

 

[robycop3]

The beast is not the Pope and Mary is not a harlot you just haven't learned the meaning of Sacred Scripture yet.

JoeT

What on earth are you talking about? I never said either of those things.

But the "beast from the earth", the antichrist's sidekick, may well be a pope. And Rev. 17 points to the RCC as being the harlot trying to ride the beast.

 

[church mouse guy]

That's no sin. Culture was different in the first century. The trip to Jerusalem would have been in the company of clan or tribe, each adult looking after the young. Jesus 'fell through the cracks' in a manner of speaking or perhaps deliberately turned back unnoticed.

It is not dogma, but it is in the confines of our faith to believe that Mary cooperated in God's mission.

Spiritual death.

If you read she died in 48 AD then you were citing a legend, there also one that also has Mary consumed into heaven while she yet breaths.



Yes, he is first among equal, Our Holy Father and the Pope can also have a temporal kingdom.

The Church gave up it temporal leadership in the 19th century. She claimed spiritual and temporal power over all the world. Christ handed the Church a two-edged sword [Cf. Luke 22:38].

JoeT

I am just responding to the citation about the death of Mary in 48 AD which is listed in the Catholic Encyclopedia New Advent.

There is no certain tradition as to the year of Mary's death. Baronius in his Annals relies on a passage in the Chronicon of Eusebius for his assumption that Mary died A.D. 48. It is now believed that the passage of the Chronicon is a later interpolation. [135] Nirschl relies on a tradition found in Clement of Alexandria [136] and Apollonius [137] which refers to a command of Our Lord that the Apostles were to preach twelve years in Jerusalem and Palestine before going among the nations of the world; hence he too arrives at the conclusion that Mary died A.D. 48.

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: The Blessed Virgin Mary

 

[Walpole]

And what do you claim is grammatically incorrect? Or are you just standing for vulgarity?

If you had to speculate based on the grammatical structure of the following sentences, which one do you think was written by a public school graduate?

a. "Probably you went to a public school and didn't learn how to discuss issues so you resort to vulgarity and absurdity."

b. "You probably went to a public school and didn't learn how to discuss issues so you resort to vulgarity and absurdity."

---> Your post

 

[church mouse guy]

If you had to speculate based on the grammatical structure of the following sentences, which one do you think was written by a public school graduate?

a. "Probably you went to a public school and didn't learn how to discuss issues so you resort to vulgarity and absurdity."

b. "You probably went to a public school and didn't learn how to discuss issues so you resort to vulgarity and absurdity."

---> Your post

So you object to word order. Well, my excuse is that I went to a public school, ha!ha!

 

[Oseas3]

Same thing the other self-proclaimed prophet said. So all I see is another person who has made themselves the highest authority in understanding Christianity. You think you are the holiest person on earth and the only one who can top you is Jesus Christ. Good luck with your cult.

I knew that your disguised spirit, manifested by/in your post, would say what you said. Your disguised spirit is the same revealed by John 8:v.13, the verse reveals who he is and he remains until today and is within you, and within multitudes like you.

But I could not lie, I must say the Truth by the Word of God, not mine. The Word is God, yeah, He, the Word, is God, from whom you have only heard to speak, but know not Him.

If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater. For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word-the Word made flesh-, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are One.

John the Baptist left very clear saying:
He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.
And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.
He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.
For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.

Yeah, he that is of the earth is earthly, and even bestial, and speaks of the earth.

 

[Wesley Briggman]

Date wasn't important, the 'obligation' was already one of love. Doctrine is for those of us who need the grace of God ministered through the Church.



Yes indeed she never knew sin.



Christ was begotten for that purpose and born of a humble creature, the Virgin Mary.



To my knowledge the only sinless high priest is Jesus Christ. But, having the inseparable natures of God and man, both full and complete, having the natures of both therefore how was Jesus born without original sin according to the nature of men unless Mary was already without sin, as it were, a New Eve? He can’t be sinless, perfect in every way except sin, unless He is born without original sin.

Speaking of Hebrews did you know Catholics have a High Priest who is both priest and victim after the order of Melchisedech, Jesus Christ. The sacrifice of Melchisedech was bread and wine. [Cf. Hebrews 5:10; 6:20]. However, only blood is the only propitiatory sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins. Jesus Christ sacrificed himself once, died, ascended into heaven. “But this man offering one sacrifice for sins, forever sitteth on the right hand of God," [Hebrews 10:12]

Before the throne of God Christ continues His sacrifice just as the earthly high priest. The eternal man offers eternally a sacrifice without end.

For Jesus is not entered into the holies made with hands, the patterns of the true: but into heaven itself, that he may appear now in the presence of God for us. Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holies, every year with the blood of others: For then he ought to have suffered often from the beginning of the world: but now once at the end of ages, he hath appeared for the destruction of sin, by the sacrifice of himself. [Hebrews 9:24-26].​

Jesus Christ as a lamb sacrificed before the Holy of Holies eternally offering sacrifice of His Body and Blood. [Apocalypse 5:6] “There is also an altar in Heaven, a golden one” (Isaias 6:6; Apocalypse 6:9; 8:3,5; 9:13; 11:1; 14:18;16:7). Our high priest is “holy, innocent, undefiled, separated from sinners, and made higher than the heavens” For participating in that same eternal sacrifice He gave us an unbloody offering, which our priests and like the High priest Aaron he only needed to enter once a year, whereby during the rest of the year his priest served the altar. [Hebrews 7:27]

Indeed she did, for Mary was saved just as you and I, except she receives the grace of justice at her own conception.


JoeT

[Jer 7:24 KJV] 24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels [and] in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward.

May God remove the scales from your spiritual eyes that you might see your spiritual error.

 

[utilyan]

I knew that your disguised spirit, manifested by/in your post, would say what you said. Your disguised spirit is the same revealed by John 8:v.13, the verse reveals who he is and he remains until today and is within you, and within multitudes like you.

But I could not lie, I must say the Truth by the Word of God, not mine. The Word is God, yeah, He, the Word, is God, from whom you have only heard to speak, but know not Him.

If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater. For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word-the Word made flesh-, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are One.

John the Baptist left very clear saying:
He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.
And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.
He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.
For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.

Yeah, he that is of the earth is earthly, and even bestial, and speaks of the earth.

By the fruits we do know them.

Matthew 7

15“Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16“You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? 17“So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18“A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. 19“Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20“So then, you will know them by their fruits.

False prophets......dime a dozen. You came in here started with accusations, blaming and finger pointing, you already think yourself greatest saint on earth.


OSEAS, By the fruits we do know them.
I haven't seen you do anything for anyone.

Fill me in if I'm missing something.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

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