The P in T.U.L.I.P

[Yeshua1]

We are sons of God only in he sense of the new birth and the SPIRIT OF ADOPTION. but no one is predestined to this . After we recieve the Spirit of adoption we are sealed by the Holy spirit until the day of redemption ( predestined) reformed theology teaches that predestination is a selection to being saved . which is found no where in the bible beyond proof texting .

Predestination refers to the salvation process for the chosen elect in Christ!

 

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Strawman argument.

I disagree You said this was a strawman arguement
by Barry Johnson quote;
No the P in the calvernist/ Augustine scheme has to have a person showing a continued progression of works and holiness , enduring to the end till final salvation to be saved quote;
You are becoming more Calvinist than I thought. Or is it just the Arminian in you. Nothing good ever came out of the Catholic church and both Arminian and Calvinist came out of Catholicism.
You know the story about getting good fruit from a rotten tree.
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Predestination refers to the salvation process for the chosen elect in Christ!

Maybe in your dreams Prove it with scripture.
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[atpollard]

No the P in the calvernist/ Augustine scheme has to have a person showing a continued progression of works and holiness , enduring to the end till final salvation to be saved

You will not find a Reformed source that teaches this. Refuting an argument that nobody is making is the definition of a "strawman", so this is indeed a strawman argument.

O.S.A.S. teaches that a person can be saved and live a life that shows no "good works", but Calvinism rejects that and accepts the teaching of Ephesians 2:10 and James and John that a saved heart is a changed heart and it will manifest in a changed life. That is not the same thing as saying that you must show progressive works to be saved.

 

[Yeshua1]

Maybe in your dreams Prove it with scripture.
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Romans 8!

 

[Yeshua1]

You will not find a Reformed source that teaches this. Refuting an argument that nobody is making is the definition of a "strawman", so this is indeed a strawman argument.

O.S.A.S. teaches that a person can be saved and live a life that shows no "good works", but Calvinism rejects that and accepts the teaching of Ephesians 2:10 and James and John that a saved heart is a changed heart and it will manifest in a changed life. That is not the same thing as saying that you must show progressive works to be saved.

That sounds more like a NT Wright/paul washer view that one will have a final judgement that will need to have good works lined up to keep saved!

 

[Salty]

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