Hobie
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We have to discern, not close our eyes and ears to what is plainly shown.
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The pagan roots of Easter
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You are so bent on being against these things you just dont get it. I will leave you to your delusion.
Hobie
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Sorry you feel that way, but history is clear on this...
The Germans had a spring rite they called "Ostern" (Eastern), complete with egg-laying bunnies, new bonnets for the women, goodies for the kiddies. Constantine's missionaries worked the story of Jesus' resurrection into that rite, and Easter as we've seen it was born.
Most old symbols had pagan histories at one time or another. Take the fish symbol often seen on cars to indicate a Christian driver. That very same symbol is found on some ancient Philistine artifacts as a symbol of Dagon, their fish god. (His headgear is the same as some of the pope's mitres !) And the T-shaped cross, now a universal symbol of Christianity, was a symbol for devotion to Tammuz of the "mystery, Babylon" religion of Nimrod & Semiramis.
We must go by what's now in front of us. Before Hitler, the swastika was a symbol of good luck in several cfivilizations, but in just 3 generations, it's come to symbolize pure evil.
Thanxgiving ws a fairly-new holiday, & it certainly isn't evil ! We SHOULD thank God every day for what we have, but this day was originally to thank Him for a successful harvest & His protection for those pilgrims' first year in a new land.
Again, we must refer back to "matters of conscience". If Christmas, Easter, etc. don't seem right to YOU, then, don't observe them, but, OTOH, don't criticize those twho DO observe them.
ALL of this "Semiramis" garbage can be summed up by the first line of text above in RED.
There are HUNDREDS of pagan histories and religions throughout the world which are completely UNRELATED. To make the claim that Semiramis was the "mother goddess of ALL pagans" is so blatant a lie that the rest of your manure reads like a comic book. It's simply asinine to make this claim.
They ALL seem to have been copied and pasted right out of Alexander Hislop's schlock epic, "The Two Babylons".
This idiotic work has been heavily-debunked by PROTESTANT scholars as well as Catholic scholars. No reputable theologian uses this book as a source.
Ummmmm, that's why a Scripturally-bankrupt moron like Jack Chick got so much use from it . . .
First of all - the Bishop’s miter didn’t develop into its present form until the late Middle Ages – which is LONG after all of the “Dagon worshipers” were all dead and gone. Before that, it was a shorter version.
Dagon worshipers also forbade the eating of fish, which is something the Catholic Church has NEVER done. In fact, we’ve been accused by you anti-Catholics for eating TOO MUCH fish during Lent and that the Church had a financial interest in the fish industry. Another asinine and unsubstantiated charge . . .
Your confusion stems from the fact that you are ignorant of the customs and practices of Early Christianity.
Next time you’re driving on the freeway, pay attention to some of the cars with the Christian “Fish” symbol on the back. This symbol is an ancient CHRISTIAN symbol for Christ called. “ICHTHUS”. The letters inside the fish are the Greek letters which are the initials of the words:
I (ēsous) Ch (ristos) th (eou) hy(ios) s (ōtēr) meaning “Jesus Christ Son of God Savior”.
The fact that some ancient pagan culture did something first doesn’t mean that it was “adopted” by a later culture. They just happen to use the same symbol for different things.
WRONG.
Christ was crucified on a cross (stauros) - and that's where we get the symbol.
Stop reading Jack Chick and Alexander Hislop nonsense already and do your homework . . .
Unlike you, I get my history from authentic sources, while yours comes from your cult. Long before Jesus' crucifixion, the cross was used by many pagan cultures, not just the "mystery, Babylon" gang.
And I suggest you look at some ancient depictions of Dagon & compare some of the pope's mitres with its headgear.
And before Christianity, the fish symbol was a simplified depiction of a vagina in several cultures.
That's why I said we must go by what old symbols NOW mean.
And as I educated YOU - Jesus was crucified on a CROSS.
That's where the christian symbol of the cross comes from - NOT some pagan culture from another time.
As for the whole Dagon/Fish worship nonsense - I already explained that to you. And you don't get your history from "authentic" sources because this is debunkable nonsense - as I have already proven.
YOUR problem is that you don't know your Church history - hence your abject ignorance.
The ICHTHUS ("Fish" symbol) is an ancient symbol that goes ALL the way back to FIRST century Christianity.
The ICHTHUS carving on the right is from 1st century Ephesus:
Good grief - do your HOMEWORK . . .
37818
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The term East has it roots in the meaning of rising. Tydale when he first translated the Greek word we now translate as Passover used the English word Easter which was used of the day of the resurrection of Christ. Tydale when he translated the Hebrew invented our English word Passover, which we now use.
And once again you have missed the point
37818
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The Greek translated cross means simply a stake. The Latin word crux is where we get our word cross. The stake with the cross beam is an interpration of the stake and interpretaton of the history of the stake used to crucific our Lord.
However, we know that the "stauros" spoken of in Scripture was a cross because of the 1st and 2nd century evidence of crucifixions.
For example - the Alexamenos Graffito on Palatine Hill in Rome is the oldest etched depiction of a Roman crucifixion - and it shows a crossbeam.
The text written around the image reads as Αλεξαμενος ϲεβετε θεον, and translates to something like "Alexamenos worships God". The reason the man has the head of a donkey is because he is being ridiculed.
This whole "cross-busters" notion that Christ died on a "torture stake" and not a cross is a fairly recent myth and something that was never believed or taught by the historic Christian Church..
No, Easter is a celebration of the resurrection of Jesus Christ. You're hung up in names and symbols, allowing them to have power over you. I choose not to do that. I decide the meaning of terms and I decide what symbols I look to and their various meanings. I'm am not a slave to the beliefs of ancient pagans.
Origen
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Misleading! First the text has been also been translated "nail" or "hook." It is certainly not a crucifixion. Second Inanna is already dead when she is placed on the nail, hook, stake. Third, all of this takes pace in the underworld not on the Earth.
Cite a primary source.
Cite a primary source.
Do you know what a primary source is?
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Walpole
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The Dan Brown conspiracy theory stuff aside, you inadvertently provided evidence for the authority of the Bishop of Rome over the Church universal from its infancy in your post.
The bishop of Rome, Pope Victor, did excommunicate the quartodecimen bishops living some 2097 miles away in Asia Minor. And though the bishops of Asia Minor had Apostolic tradition for celebrating Passover Easter, they obeyed the bishop of Rome and hence now in the East they celebrate Easter on Sunday.
The bishop of Rome, Pope Victor, did excommunicate the quartodecimen bishops living some 2097 miles away in Asia Minor. And though the bishops of Asia Minor had Apostolic tradition for celebrating Passover Easter, they obeyed the bishop of Rome and hence now in the East they celebrate Easter on Sunday.
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Well said!
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