The point of intoxication

[SoulWinningLady]

Hi John,

No one is arguing that this lady ought to drink. The question is, or ought to be, whether it is appropriate for one Christian to judge another in questions of drink. I do not drink. In over four decades I have had exactly one sip of wine, and I didn't like it, and I didn't swallow. OK, I did swallow, but besides Nyquil that is ll I have ever had. I do not drink, and I have no desire to drink. However, if I were to have a glass of wine or a beer it would not necessarily be a sin. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

I understand where you are comming from but this is what comes to my mind.
Was it ok for a Jew of the OT to just take one bite of a porksteak. If he didn't like get full on it or anything. He just took one bite. Would he need to repent?
I am glad to hear you don't drink. I think its VERY important for those of us who are raising our children and teaching them never to drink to not associate with those who do. I think we should take caution for those who drink in moderation. Let me tell you what happened recently to me.
I am teaching my children that the bible says to stay away from drinkinig. My brothers drink, most everyone else in my family drinks. I feel its up to God to deal with them. Its really not my place to convict them of this. Now, will I allow my children to spend the night in a home that has free access to alchol? Absolutley NOT. I think one definatly has the right to judge others as far as whether or not to draw certain lines when it comes to children ect. The bible says don't make your brother stumble. I don't see how it is wrong as a christian to take caution regarding things that might make us stumble.

:wavey:

 

[El_Guero]

Christ taught His disciples that He would not drink wine until His return.

As leaders of His church and followers of Him, we should abstain until we are with Him out of respect.

Then we will know how much is enough or too much . . .

 

[SoulWinningLady]

Christ taught His disciples that He would not drink wine until His return.

As leaders of His church and followers of Him, we should abstain until we are with Him out of respect.

Then we will know how much is enough or too much . . .

Ahh, can you imagine how tasty it will be. Just imagine the food up there in heaven! Man, I cannot wait to taste what the feast will be. God's cooking will be the best we have ever had.

:tongue3:

 

[Baptist Believer]

It it takes 10 beers to make you drunk and you only drink one beer - are you 1/10 drunk?

If it takes 10 hamburgers to make you a glutton and you only eat one hamburger - are you 1/10 glutton?

 

[El_Guero]

SWL

You are starting to sound intoxicated . . .

:saint:

 

[John of Japan]

Hi John,

No one is arguing that this lady ought to drink. The question is, or ought to be, whether it is appropriate for one Christian to judge another in questions of drink. I do not drink. In over four decades I have had exactly one sip of wine, and I didn't like it, and I didn't swallow. OK, I did swallow, but besides Nyquil that is all I have ever had. I do not drink, and I have no desire to drink. However, if I were to have a glass of wine or a beer it would not necessarily be a sin. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Well, technically judging others in question of drink is not the OP, but let it pass, let it pass. I have to get to bed--it's late here in Japan.

Oyasumi nasai ("Sleep well.") :sleep:

 

[El_Guero]

Oyasumi . . .

Well, technically judging others in question of drink is not the OP, but let it pass, let it pass. I have to get to bed--it's late here in Japan.

Oyasumi nasai ("Sleep well.") :sleep:

 

[whatever]

I understand where you are comming from but this is what comes to my mind.
Was it ok for a Jew of the OT to just take one bite of a porksteak. If he didn't like get full on it or anything. He just took one bite. Would he need to repent?
I am glad to hear you don't drink. I think its VERY important for those of us who are raising our children and teaching them never to drink to not associate with those who do. I think we should take caution for those who drink in moderation. Let me tell you what happened recently to me.
I am teaching my children that the bible says to stay away from drinkinig. My brothers drink, most everyone else in my family drinks. I feel its up to God to deal with them. Its really not my place to convict them of this. Now, will I allow my children to spend the night in a home that has free access to alchol? Absolutley NOT. I think one definatly has the right to judge others as far as whether or not to draw certain lines when it comes to children ect. The bible says don't make your brother stumble. I don't see how it is wrong as a christian to take caution regarding things that might make us stumble.

:wavey:

OT law forbade pork. There is no such prohibition of alcohol, so it's not really the same kind of issue. There are warnings given, and drunkenness is prohibited, but being the literalist that I am, I have to believe that when Jesus said that unlike John the Baptist He came "eating and drinking" that He meant what He said. Others think that Jesus only meant that He hing out with others who were eating and drinking, but that's not really what He said.

I think it's good for anyone, Christian or not, to avoid alcohol except maybe medicinally. My only concern in this whole debate is whether one Christian ought to judge another in questions of food or drink. I think Colossians 2:16 makes this clear, and so far I haven't seen anyone even try to address this passage. I think asking "how many can I have?" is the wrong approach. Two better questions, in my opinion, are "why do I want to drink?" and "why does it bother me if someone else drinks but does not get drunk?", and I wish we could talk about those questions sometime.

 

[whatever]

Well, technically judging others in question of drink is not the OP, but let it pass, let it pass. I have to get to bed--it's late here in Japan.

Oyasumi nasai ("Sleep well.") :sleep:

Yeah, I know, but I think that's at the root of these endless alcohol threads.

Nite-nite.

 

[webdog]

It is funny, not one person who advocates the drinking of alcohol will answer your question, SWL.

That alone speaks volumes.

Ummm...maybe because it was posted at 1:48 AM? Get real...

To answer your question, I believe it's when the senses are impaired, as was stated in the definition given. It depends on a person's gender, weight, and numerous other factors. There isn't a single answer for everyone, in the same way there isn't a single amount of food that constitutes gluttony.

 

[webdog]

It it takes 10 beers to make you drunk and you only drink one beer - are you 1/10 drunk?

No. If it takes 4 double cheeseburgers to make you commit gluttony, does eating one make you a 1/4 glutton?

 

[webdog]

You choose to drink, you don't choose diabetes or low blood pressure.

Not necessarily true. These can come on as a result of lifestyle choices.

 

[UberSmith]

No offense, but this is an absolutly ridiculous statement. A Lutheran calling Fundamental Baptists Neo-Gnostic? (Not that I would call a Bible-believing Lutheran a Neo-Gnostic.) It is to laugh! Sounds all nice and intellectual, but it doesn't hold semantic or doctrinal water.

Which brings up something else. Look closely. This part of the Baptist Board is for Baptists. Sorry! Sayonara! :wavey:

Non-Baptist posting in a Baptist Only Section of the BB. Please restrict your posts to the BB sections that are open to All Christians.

 

[EdSutton]

Pershun-'ly I nebber uh LOUW my shelf two get entoxxa ---uh entocksshak--- uh intockssha -- Howse (Hic!) you schpelll thhat agai...??"

Ed

 

[SoulWinningLady]

You betcha...treating things physical as if they were evil and only the spiritual is "good" --- its all over this board. M

This is a baptist ONLY part of the board. Your techincally not allowed to post in here. THAT is why these things you don't like are "all over" this board.

 

[SoulWinningLady]

I think it's good for anyone, Christian or not, to avoid alcohol except maybe medicinally. My only concern in this whole debate is whether one Christian ought to judge another in questions of food or drink. I think Colossians 2:16 makes this clear, and so far I haven't seen anyone even try to address this passage. I think asking "how many can I have?" is the wrong approach. Two better questions, in my opinion, are "why do I want to drink?" and "why does it bother me if someone else drinks but does not get drunk?", and I wish we could talk about those questions sometime.

The verse in Clolssians does not apply here. That was specifiacally for the gentiles and the jews and the issues they were judging them for. If a Gentile wants to have a porksteak sandwich, a jew cannot use the law against him.
Why do I want to drink? Goed question. I think many might say, so i can relax.
Why does it bother me if soneone else drinks but does not get drunk? Lets take my children for instance. Bringing them around that kind of influence might cause them to stumble into drunkeness. Its better not even to go down that road at all. We live in America. I live in the #1 beer captial of america. It bothers me. It would be very hard for me to see my pastor at a dinner drinking wine on Saturday night. I woudl think, well if he does it, why shouldn't I. There MUST be a standard here. No one wants to claim it. They just want to sit and poke liberal injections of how judgemental it is to say drinking is a sin. There is NOTHING GOOD ABOUT DRINKING. Its fulfilling a fleshy desire. Its a lust of the flesh.
Why does it bother me? Becaus it can cause ANYONE to stumble.

There, I said it.
:type:

 

[whatever]

The verse in Clolssians does not apply here. That was specifiacally for the gentiles and the jews and the issues they were judging them for. If a Gentile wants to have a porksteak sandwich, a jew cannot use the law against him.

The principle is much broader than Jews judging Gentiles. Paul goes on to say in verses 20-23 that "standards" like the one you are looking for have an appearance of wisdom but they cannot make one pure.

You make some good points about potentially influencing those who are weaker, but there are other things that people in the Bible were called on to give up which are not sinful, so this doesn't mean that drinking alcohol is sinful.

If it's liberal to call on people to not judge others falsely then both Jesus and Paul were liberals.

If someone drinks a glass of wine just because they like it, and they do not get drunk, and there is no one around to be offended by it, exactly how is it a "lust of the flesh"?

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

Drinking alcohol is not sinful? According to Psalm 75:8, your statement is wrong.

It is the wicked who drink the alcohol.

Are you saying God's people are supposed to be wicked?

 

[whatever]

Drinking alcohol is not sinful? According to Psalm 75:8, your statement is wrong.

It is the wicked who drink the alcohol.

Are you saying God's people are supposed to be wicked?

I'm saying that Psalm 75:8 is speaking figuratively of the judgment of God on the wicked, not literally of alcohol.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

I'm saying that Psalm 75:8 is speaking figuratively of the judgment of God on the wicked, not literally of alcohol.

Amazing! Everywhere wine is mentioned in the Bible except Psalm 75 is alcoholic; in Psalm 75 it is only figurative.

NOT!

Look at the verse. Psalm 75:8 ...but the dregs thereof, all the wicked of the earth shall wring them out, and drink them. It is not God's judgment.

The wicked are making and drinking the alcohol. It is not God giving it to them.