"The Prophecy of Israel"

[church mouse guy]

If you belong to Israel (Christ) this promise is for you! It is not for those who hate and loathe Jesus.

“For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.” (2 Corinthians 1:20) (KJV 1900)

That also means None of the promises are for those who reject Jesus.

How do you reach that conclusion by logic? God said that he would forgive their iniquity!

 

[Yeshua1]

Absolutely incorrect

• Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

that refers to ONLY spiritual blessings are now equal for both Jew/gentile in jesus, NOT anything about their nationality!

 

[Yeshua1]

Read Scripture. The sun, the moon, and the stars have not changed.

Jeremiah 31:34-36 (KJV) ...for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, [and] the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts [is] his name: If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, [then] the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

Jeremiah 31, God prophecy to Israel of the OT, not just to Church...

 

[1689Dave]

How do you reach that conclusion by logic? God said that he would forgive their iniquity!

““But I will make a new covenant with the whole nation of Israel after I plant them back in the land,” says the Lord. “I will put my law within them and write it on their hearts and minds. I will be their God and they will be my people.” (Jeremiah 31:33) (NET)

“In the same way, he also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, every time you drink it, in remembrance of me.”” (1 Corinthians 11:25) (NET)

“So in the same way at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. And if it is by grace, it is no longer by works, otherwise grace would no longer be grace. What then? Israel failed to obtain what it was diligently seeking, but the elect obtained it. The rest were hardened,” (Romans 11:5–7) (NET)

“Granted! They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but fear!” (Romans 11:20) (NET)

“And even they—if they do not continue in their unbelief—will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.” (Romans 11:23) (NET)

“For every one of God’s promises are “Yes” in him; therefore also through him the “Amen” is spoken, to the glory we give to God.” (2 Corinthians 1:20) (NET)

 

[1689Dave]

Save that the Apostle Paul, A JEW, held that God was not done forever with national Israel, as He is dealing with the gentiles right now, and once that is over , He will then be turning back to deal with the Jewish people, as the great tribulation is preparing them to meet their God, Jesus Christ as their King!

“And even they—if they do not continue in their unbelief—will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.” (Romans 11:23) (NET)

The beauty of it all, is that God turned the unbelieving Jews into gentiles (Galatians 3:21–22). So they will come to faith in Christ during the times of the gentiles. The times of the gentiles remain until the end of the world.

“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations [gentiles], baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.” (Matthew 28:19–20) (KJV 1900)

Jerusalem is trodden down of the gentiles [unbelieving Jews] until the end.

“Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost [the end].” (1 Thessalonians 2:16) (KJV 1900)

 

[church mouse guy]

““But I will make a new covenant with the whole nation of Israel after I plant them back in the land,” says the Lord. “I will put my law within them and write it on their hearts and minds. I will be their God and they will be my people.” (Jeremiah 31:33) (NET)

The Jews were planted back in the land on May 14, 1948, weren't they?

 

[1689Dave]

The Jews were planted back in the land on May 14, 1948, weren't they?

These are not biblical Jews.

“‘I know the distress you are suffering and your poverty (but you are rich). I also know the slander against you by those who call themselves Jews and really are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.” (Revelation 2:9) (NET)

Today's Talmudic Jews exist because they chose Satan over Christ in the first century. All of the promises terminate in Jesus. None remain for any who reject him. Can you provide an example where Israel returned to the land without first repenting?

How do these repent? By accepting Christ.

 

[David Kent]

Jeremiah 31, God prophecy to Israel of the OT, not just to Church...

The Jews in rejecting their Messiah, lost their right to the kingdom and the covenant, They till have the right to be grafted back in if they turn to Jesus for salvation.

• Matthew 21:33 Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, :and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:
• 34And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it.
• 35And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.9
• 36Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.
• 37But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.
• 38But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.
• 39And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.
• 40When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?
• 41They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
• 42Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
• 43Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof

Jesus gave "that generation" a chance to repent but as they did not he sent the Romans to take away their nation and temple. He handed it to another, the saints of God.

• Daniel 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.
• 18But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

 

[David Kent]

The Jews were planted back in the land on May 14, 1948, weren't they?

Actually No. In 1848 the English forced the Turks to abandon their law that only 500 Jews were allowed to live in Jerusalem, so they were already planted there.

 

[church mouse guy]

Actually No. In 1848 the English forced the Turks to abandon their law that only 500 Jews were allowed to live in Jerusalem, so they were already planted there.

May 14, 1948, David Ben Gurion declared Israel a nation.

 

[church mouse guy]

These are not biblical Jews.

“‘I know the distress you are suffering and your poverty (but you are rich). I also know the slander against you by those who call themselves Jews and really are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.” (Revelation 2:9) (NET)

Today's Talmudic Jews exist because they chose Satan over Christ in the first century. All of the promises terminate in Jesus. None remain for any who reject him. Can you provide an example where Israel returned to the land without first repenting?

How do these repent? By accepting Christ.

God said that He was going to forgive their iniquity.

 

[Yeshua1]

“And even they—if they do not continue in their unbelief—will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.” (Romans 11:23) (NET)

The beauty of it all, is that God turned the unbelieving Jews into gentiles (Galatians 3:21–22). So they will come to faith in Christ during the times of the gentiles. The times of the gentiles remain until the end of the world.

“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations [gentiles], baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.” (Matthew 28:19–20) (KJV 1900)

Jerusalem is trodden down of the gentiles [unbelieving Jews] until the end.

“Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost [the end].” (1 Thessalonians 2:16) (KJV 1900)

Your theology here is really faulty, as when Jews become believers in Jesus as messiah, still Jewish, did not paul claim to be Jewish still?

 

[Yeshua1]

God calls all of the saved Jews as being Spiritual israel, not becoming now Gentiles!

 

[Covenanter]

Save that the Apostle Paul, A JEW, held that God was not done forever with national Israel, as He is dealing with the gentiles right now, and once that is over , He will then be turning back to deal with the Jewish people, as the great tribulation is preparing them to meet their God, Jesus Christ as their King!

Please quote a Scripture that says what you are tweeting.

God said that He was going to forgive their iniquity.

I presume you are referring to the New Covenant -

33 ‘This is the covenant that I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,’ declares the Lord.
‘I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
34 No longer will they teach their neighbour,
or say to one another, “Know the Lord,”
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,’
declares the Lord.
‘For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.’​

The New Covenant has been in operation since Calvary, & many thousands of Jews from many countries, including priests & Pharisees, did respond to the New Covenant Gospel message, as recorded in Acts. Converted Jews did not cease to be God's redeemed people, they became God's redeemed people & lived with the OC Law in their hearts, like all Christians. Jew & Gentile are one people of God in Christ.

Regarding the continuing shining of the sun & moon, note this -

36 ‘Only if these decrees vanish from my sight,’
declares the Lord,
‘will Israel ever cease
being a nation before me.’
37 This is what the Lord says:
‘Only if the heavens above can be measured
and the foundations of the earth below be searched out
will I reject all the descendants of Israel
because of all they have done,’
declares the Lord.
​

Thousands of Israelites believed their Messiah & were baptised in his name. Israel as a holy nation (Exo. 19, 1 Peter 2) continues to the end of time. In the first century it comprised many thousands of Jews & converted Gentiles as recorded in the NC Scriptures. Millions of Jews & Gentiles have been added since.

The idea that Israel has not existed as a nation for 1900 years is totally against the promises & prophecies of God. But carnal Israel that was established in 1948 exists in continued rebellion against the God of Israel.

 

[1689Dave]

Your theology here is really faulty, as when Jews become believers in Jesus as messiah, still Jewish, did not paul claim to be Jewish still?

Paul and all circumcised before Calvary were genuinely Jewish and became converts to Christ under the New Covenant. But when that generation died off, in around and during 70 ADs' destruction of Jerusalem, nothing remained to make one a biblical Jew except circumcision of the heart (New Birth). God removed all of the physical unbelievers from Israel, and grafted believing gentiles into their place.

 

[Yeshua1]

Please quote a Scripture that says what you are tweeting.



I presume you are referring to the New Covenant -

33 ‘This is the covenant that I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,’ declares the Lord.
‘I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
34 No longer will they teach their neighbour,
or say to one another, “Know the Lord,”
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,’
declares the Lord.
‘For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.’​

The New Covenant has been in operation since Calvary, & many thousands of Jews from many countries, including priests & Pharisees, did respond to the New Covenant Gospel message, as recorded in Acts. Converted Jews did not cease to be God's redeemed people, they became God's redeemed people & lived with the OC Law in their hearts, like all Christians. Jew & Gentile are one people of God in Christ.

Regarding the continuing shining of the sun & moon, note this -

36 ‘Only if these decrees vanish from my sight,’
declares the Lord,
‘will Israel ever cease
being a nation before me.’
37 This is what the Lord says:
‘Only if the heavens above can be measured
and the foundations of the earth below be searched out
will I reject all the descendants of Israel
because of all they have done,’
declares the Lord.
​

Thousands of Israelites believed their Messiah & were baptised in his name. Israel as a holy nation (Exo. 19, 1 Peter 2) continues to the end of time. In the first century it comprised many thousands of Jews & converted Gentiles as recorded in the NC Scriptures. Millions of Jews & Gentiles have been added since.

The idea that Israel has not existed as a nation for 1900 years is totally against the promises & prophecies of God. But carnal Israel that was established in 1948 exists in continued rebellion against the God of Israel.

Romans 11. Apostle Paul clearly teaching that God is not done forever dealing with national Israel in some fashion!

 

[Yeshua1]

Paul and all circumcised before Calvary were genuinely Jewish and became converts to Christ under the New Covenant. But when that generation died off, in around and during 70 ADs' destruction of Jerusalem, nothing remained to make one a biblical Jew except circumcision of the heart (New Birth). God removed all of the physical unbelievers from Israel, and grafted believing gentiles into their place.

There are still physical Jews since the time of Christ, and the saved Ones are those in the Spiritual Israel.

 

[1689Dave]

There are still physical Jews since the time of Christ, and the saved Ones are those in the Spiritual Israel.

The only biblical Jews are Christians of all nations.

“For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.” (Romans 2:28–29) (KJV 1900)

 

[Yeshua1]

The only biblical Jews are Christians of all nations.

“For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.” (Romans 2:28–29) (KJV 1900)

Nope, the saved Jews are those now in Spieirtual israel as would be we Gentiles also!

 

[1689Dave]

Nope, the saved Jews are those now in Spieirtual israel as would be we Gentiles also!

“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female—for all of you are one in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to the promise.” (Galatians 3:28–29) (NET)

“For a person is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision something that is outward in the flesh,” (Romans 2:28) (NET)