The rapture.

[Revmitchell]

I believe scripture not the sayings of men. If you right then the Bible is unorthodox that is saying the Bible isn't true.Psalm 16 says hell it does not say grave. it says sheol in other translations yet they are all the same thing. No to mention Christ was placed in a tomb not buried in the ground.

I'm really disappointed your argument is with what does scripture say. and then you say it is unorthodox. a round about way of saying it isn't true
MB

Save your disappointment. I believe all of scripture. You are attributing David's words to himself when in fact that Psalm is a reference of Christ, who, through direct revelation, David knew about. Please study your Bible a bit better.

 

[37818]

Is death and hell of Rev 20:14 the same death and hell of 1 Cor 15:55?

Yes.

 

[MB]

Save your disappointment. I believe all of scripture. You are attributing David's words to himself when in fact that Psalm is a reference of Christ, who, through direct revelation, David knew about. Please study your Bible a bit better.

I do not deny that a portion of this verse is about Christ. Although part of it is about where David said he would be when the holy one will come and tell him the path of life. Simply because he did not know the path of life.

Then here you tell me I need to study my Bible more. I've noticed you seem to avoid what you obviously do not know so much about. You just pass it off as if it isn't important. All scripture is important.
MB

 

[percho]

'Men, brethren! it is permitted to speak with freedom unto you concerning the patriarch David, that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is among us unto this day;

Just where was D A V I D, this day, fifty days after the resurrection of Jesus ? Was D A V I D, left in Hades, did his flesh see corruption?

Will, D A V I D, be clothed upon with a house which is from heaven ? When ?

 

[37818]

'Men, brethren! it is permitted to speak with freedom unto you concerning the patriarch David, that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is among us unto this day;

Just where was D A V I D, this day, fifty days after the resurrection of Jesus ? Was D A V I D, left in Hades, did his flesh see corruption?

Will, D A V I D, be clothed upon with a house which is from heaven ? When ?

I am of the point of view that when Jesus ascended to Heaven He took took at that time those from the upper Hades to Heaven. Reference Ephesians 4:8, ". . . When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, . . ."

 

[percho]

I am of the point of view that when Jesus ascended to Heaven He took took at that time those from the upper Hades to Heaven. Reference Ephesians 4:8, ". . . When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, . . ."

I guess I can correctly assume that was ten days before Peter said, "Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day,"?

When Peter says, _that David, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; “he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His (Christ;s) soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption"; - Should we then understand, that on that given day, the soul of David was still in Hades and the flesh of David had seen corruption?

My personal understanding is on the morrow after the weekly Sabbath after the death of Jesus, he Jesus, ascended to the Father to be accepted for us, then returned for forty days more on earth. At that ascension he led captive, death, (singular even as is captivity in Ephesians 4:8 is singular) being raised from the dead to die no more, Rom 6:9 death hath no more dominion over him. Also Acts 2:33 would apply at that time, having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, by which, he would give gifts to men and also our and David's, earnest seal of our house which is from heaven, the redemption of the purchased possession. the body. 2 Cor 5:5, Eph 1:13,14, Romans 6:23

Question

Then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”
“O Death, where is your sting?
O Hades, where is your victory?”

When is then?

For Paul of Tarsus, for John Calvin, for Jacobus Arminius, for Charles Spurgeon, when is then ?

 

[37818]

I guess I can correctly assume that was ten days before Peter said, "Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day,"?

When Peter says, _that David, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; “he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His (Christ;s) soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption"; - Should we then understand, that on that given day, the soul of David was still in Hades and the flesh of David had seen corruption?

My personal understanding is on the morrow after the weekly Sabbath after the death of Jesus, he Jesus, ascended to the Father to be accepted for us, then returned for forty days more on earth. At that ascension he led captive, death, (singular even as is captivity in Ephesians 4:8 is singular) being raised from the dead to die no more, Rom 6:9 death hath no more dominion over him. Also Acts 2:33 would apply at that time, having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, by which, he would give gifts to men and also our and David's, earnest seal of our house which is from heaven, the redemption of the purchased possession. the body. 2 Cor 5:5, Eph 1:13,14, Romans 6:23

Question

Then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”
“O Death, where is your sting?
O Hades, where is your victory?”

When is then?

For Paul of Tarsus, for John Calvin, for Jacobus Arminius, for Charles Spurgeon, when is then ?

I am of the understandind that Jesus did not ascend to heaven until Acts of the Apostles 1:8-11. And that ascention is a once and for all event until His second appearing, Hebrews 9:12; Hebrews 9:24; Hebrews 9:28.

As for "then" in 1 Corinthians 15:54-55, we are told, ". . . when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then . . . ."

 

[HankD]

Regardless of one's eschatological view, I cannot understand how one can deny ". . . shall be caught up . . ." -in 1 Thessalonians 4:17.

Just to refresh the O/P we are dealing with the "Rapture".

J Vernon McGee sees the Second Coming Of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ (which he calls "The Day of the LORD") as consisting of

The Rapture followed by
The 7 year Tribulation and yes followed by
The Millennium.

The Rapture (Greek harpazo - caught up).
The semantics are that in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 in the Latin Vulgate harpazo is translated from a Latin stem of "rapt"

1 Thessalonians 4:17 deinde nos qui vivimus qui relinquimur simul rapiemur cum illis in nubibus obviam Domino in aera et sic semper cum Domino erimus

Discovered and publicized by Jesuitry of the RCC.

The Rapture being the coming of the LORD in the outer atmosphere to gather to Himself all earthly believers in order to keep them out of the Tribulation. He brings them to a place of protection presumably heaven for the duration of the Tribulation.

When I was a student at Calvary University the 7 year Tribulation (Jacob's Trouble) was taught as being in two parts - The Tribulation and The Great Tribulation (The Wrath of God).