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OldRegular

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Originally posted by OldRegular:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> original post by Ed Edwards OldRegular: //The claim that the Gospel preached by Jesus and the Apostles is different than the Gospel preached by the Apostle Paul is a grevious error.//

Nobody here made that claim.
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Ed Edwards: I suggest that you reread the post by ituttut [excerpt below].

“I feel you are reading the wrong Apostle for the Christian. His name is Paul, and He says He has a dispensational gospel. He is my Apostle, at least that is what Christ told Him from Heaven. Peter and the other Apostle’s will have their own kingdom and will judge Israel of the earth. Christian’s will not have to go through the tribulation to reach the kingdom of God. We are all ready in the Body of Christ, in His kingdom, which is in the kingdom of God.

Peter preached to those of His day (and will be used in the tribulation) water baptism was necessary (Acts 2:37-38). This was before that gospel was phased out. James, Peter and the rest shook hands with Paul, and the others, and said they (the kingdom church) would go to the circumcised. God never gave any of the other Apostles the authority to preach at or to a Gentile, with the one exception when God sent Peter to Cornelius, in which is plainly shown, God would not allow Peter to add “repent and be baptized for the remission of sins”.

Ed Edwards: What gospel was Peter preaching, the Gospel of Jesus Christ or the Gospel of Paul? When was it phased out? Some of the Apostles [Bartholomew and Thomas] reportedly traveled as far as India [See the web site below.]. What Gospel did they preach?

http://www.ccel.org/bible/phillips/CN092MAPS2.htm </font>[/QUOTE]Ed Edwards

Are you going to answer the questions posed above or ignore them as you do all others? :D
 
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OldRegular: "Are you going to answer the questions posed above
or ignore them as you do all others? //

I see no reason to answer them again. Carlaimpinge answered them very well.
 
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OldRegular

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original post by Ed Edwards OldRegular://The claim that the Gospel preached by Jesus and the Apostles is different than the Gospel preached by the Apostle Paul is a grevious error.//
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Nobody here made that claim.
Originally posted [March 08, 2005 09:38 PM]by OldRegular:
Ed Edwards: I suggest that you reread ituttut post [excerpt below].

“I feel you are reading the wrong Apostle for the Christian. His name is Paul, and He says He has a dispensational gospel. He is my Apostle, at least that is what Christ told Him from Heaven. Peter and the other Apostle’s will have their own kingdom and will judge Israel of the earth. Christian’s will not have to go through the tribulation to reach the kingdom of God. We are all ready in the Body of Christ, in His kingdom, which is in the kingdom of God.

Peter preached to those of His day (and will be used in the tribulation) water baptism was necessary (Acts 2:37-38). This was before that gospel was phased out. James, Peter and the rest shook hands with Paul, and the others, and said they (the kingdom church) would go to the circumcised. God never gave any of the other Apostles the authority to preach at or to a Gentile, with the one exception when God sent Peter to Cornelius, in which is plainly shown, God would not allow Peter to add “repent and be baptized for the remission of sins”.

Ed Edwards: What gospel was Peter preaching, the Gospel of Jesus Christ or the Gospel of Paul? When was it phased out? Some of the Apostles [Bartholomew and Thomas] reportedly traveled as far as India [See the web site below.]. What Gospel did they preach?

http://www.ccel.org/bible/phillips/CN092MAPS2.htm
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Originally posted [March 09, 2005 07:16 AM]by carlaimpinge:
None of you "brethren" can handle the texts which OPENLY DECLARE the gospels as different. I've NEVER met one who did or could. In fact, the majority don't even try.
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Originally posted [March 09, 2005 08:01 AM]by OldRegular:

Ed Edwards

Are you going to answer the questions posed above or ignore them as you do all others?
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Originally posted [March 09, 2005 08:12 AM]by Ed Edwards:
I see no reason to answer them again. Carlaimpinge answered them very well.
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Carl and ituttut disagree with your original statement: "Nobody here made that claim.". Which of you am I to believe. Fess up, Ed Edwards! You can’t answer the questions!

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OldRegular

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The doctrine of multiple gospels is false just as the doctrine of a pretribulation removal of the Church is false since there is no basis in Scripture for either.

In fact the Apostle Paul states of the doctrine of multiple gospels:

Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Galatians 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
 
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OldRegular

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Mark in his account of the life of Jesus Christ declares he is writing about the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Mark further writes about the Gospel, quoting Jesus Christ Himself:

Mark 1:14-15, KJV
14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

The Book of Acts closes the history of the early Church with the Apostle Paul in Rome awaiting trial before Nero with these words:

Acts 28:30-31, KJV
30 And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him,
31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.

Jesus Christ came preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom of God. The Gospel that He preached is the same Gospel that the Apostle Paul preached. There is only one Gospel, the Gospel of Redemption through Jesus Christ.

The Apostle Paul defines the Gospel as follows:

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
 
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carlaimpinge

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Originally posted by OldRegular:
The doctrine of multiple gospels is false just as the doctrine of a pretribulation removal of the Church is false since there is no basis in Scripture for either.

In fact the Apostle Paul states of the doctrine of multiple gospels:

Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Galatians 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
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How bout' dat? The poor brother quotes a passage which is written over 20 years AFTER Paul communicated HIS GOSPEL to the leaders at Jerusalem. (Gal.2)

They preached the gospel of the kingdom and the gospel of God long before HIS REVELATION of HIS GOSPEL to them! (Gal.2) Some folks can't tell time.

The only gospel which is NOW TO BE PREACHED is Paul's, according to Gal.1.

Different gospels will be preached "again" WITHOUT a cursing!

The GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM will "again" be preached AT the Abomination of Desolation (Matt.24) which is FUTURE, and an ANGEL will preach the EVERLASTING GOSPEL afterwards. (Rev.14)

NEITHER are Paul's gospel for NEITHER contain the death, burial, and resurrection of the Lord as elements.

This is another "fine" example of non-scriptural tutelage. I see it everyday practiced among Roman Catholics, Jehovah Witnesses, Church of Christ, Mormons, and Baptists.
 
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carlaimpinge

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Originally posted by OldRegular:
Mark in his account of the life of Jesus Christ declares he is writing about the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Mark further writes about the Gospel, quoting Jesus Christ Himself:

Mark 1:14-15, KJV
14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

The Book of Acts closes the history of the early Church with the Apostle Paul in Rome awaiting trial before Nero with these words:

Acts 28:30-31, KJV
30 And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him,
31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.

Jesus Christ came preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom of God. The Gospel that He preached is the same Gospel that the Apostle Paul preached. There is only one Gospel, the Gospel of Redemption through Jesus Christ.

The Apostle Paul defines the Gospel as follows:

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
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Note the brother's ERROR. Or was it SWITCHED knowingly?

Paul is NOT preaching the GOSPEL of the kingdom of God. The brother MISREFERENCED the text as a PROOFTEXT. He's preaching the kingdom of God. WE KNOW what gospel Paul preached. It was the gospel of the grace of God. (Acts 20) He didn't preach the gospel of the kingdom AT HAND by any prooftext.

Paul preached Jesus Christ, ACCORDING to the REVELATION of the mystery, which concerns HIS GOSPEL, which he received by REVELATION of Jesus Christ, which was COMMUNICATED unto the leaders at Jerusalem, which they PERCEIVED. (Rom.16, Titus 1, Gal.2, Eph.3,6) They DIDN'T KNOW IT before they perceived it.

The brother AGAIN refuses to deal with the verses which have been posted WHICH PROVE there are different gospels.

Quote:

There is only one Gospel, the Gospel of Redemption through Jesus Christ.

Unquote.

Not according to ANY BIBLE in print.

Typical false tutelage.
 
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mcgyver

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Originally posted by Carlaimpinge:

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The only gospel which is NOW TO BE PREACHED is Paul's, according to Gal.1.
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Forgive me if I seem ignorant.........

I thought it was Christ's gospel which He committed to His disciples in order that it reach the world......

If Paul's gospel is the only gospel that should be preached........What do we do with Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, James, Peter, the Epistle to the Hebrews and the rest?
 
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carlaimpinge

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Originally posted by mcgyver:
Originally posted by Carlaimpinge:

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The only gospel which is NOW TO BE PREACHED is Paul's, according to Gal.1.
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Forgive me if I seem ignorant.........

I thought it was Christ's gospel which He committed to His disciples in order that it reach the world......

If Paul's gospel is the only gospel that should be preached........What do we do with Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, James, Peter, the Epistle to the Hebrews and the rest?
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Bro. Mcgyver,

The gospel concerns Christ's death, burial, and resurrection for your sins (1 Cor.15), but Paul's contains the MYSTERY also. (Eph.3,6, Rom.16, Titus 1) This wasn't preached before him historically.

The gospel going to the world (Matt.28) is found in Matt.24, which is the gospel of the kingdom.

In Christ Jesus,
Carl
 
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mcgyver

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Carlaimpinge:

Thank you brother for your answer, but I'm still fuzzy as to your stance........

Do you mean to say that only the writings of Paul are relevant to us today?

If that is the case, what do we do with the rest of the Holy Writ......Or indeed; why did God see fit to give us the rest of the new testament at all?

Thanks
 
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mcgyver

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Oh, just an idea.......
since we are getting off the topic of this thread, perhaps you could start another thread devoted to the topic of the Pauline Epistles?
 
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carlaimpinge

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Originally posted by mcgyver:
Carlaimpinge:

Thank you brother for your answer, but I'm still fuzzy as to your stance........

Do you mean to say that only the writings of Paul are relevant to us today?

If that is the case, what do we do with the rest of the Holy Writ......Or indeed; why did God see fit to give us the rest of the new testament at all?

Thanks
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My stance is that the gospel of the kingdom, the gospel of God as preached in Acts 2, and the everlasting gospel are DIFFERENT than that of Paul's gospel of the grace of God.

The writings of Paul are relevant for the body of Christ today, but all scripture is profitable for doctrine also.

The family and household of God is MULITIPLE. The body is just one of several.
 
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mcgyver

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Once again, Thanks for your response

I have heard that particular stance before, and I would like the chance to continue our discourse......

I've got to leave for a short while, but if you'll open another thread, (simply out of courtesay to the author of this one) where we can open this up to debate.... I'll meet you there.

 
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OldRegular

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Sadly “classic Dispensationalism” as espoused by Darby and Scofield splinters the Scripture, however, ultra dispensationalism [See Ryrie Dispensationalism, pages 198ff], founded by E. W. Bullinger, makes a mockery of Scripture.

Ultra dispensationalism as promulgated by Bullinger believes that the “dispensation” of the Church age began after Acts 28:28 and that the prison Epistles, Ephesians, Philippians, and Colossians set forth the fullness of the revelation of the “mystery” of this church age.

Ultra dispensationalists claim:

1. The Great Commission is Jewish, not for the Church.

2. The ministry of the Twelve was a continuation of Jesus Christ’s ministry.

3. The Church did not begin at Pentecost.

4. Water baptism is not for this Church age.

5. The Lord’s Supper is not for this Church age.

6. Only the prison Epistles are for the Church age.

7. Israel, not the Church, is the Bride of Jesus Christ.

Some of the recent posts smack of ultra dispensationalism.
 
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carlaimpinge

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Originally posted by OldRegular:
Sadly “classic Dispensationalism” as espoused by Darby and Scofield splinters the Scripture, however, ultra dispensationalism [See Ryrie Dispensationalism, pages 198ff], founded by E. W. Bullinger, makes a mockery of Scripture.

Ultra dispensationalism as promulgated by Bullinger believes that the “dispensation” of the Church age began after Acts 28:28 and that the prison Epistles, Ephesians, Philippians, and Colossians set forth the fullness of the revelation of the “mystery” of this church age.

Ultra dispensationalists claim:

1. The Great Commission is Jewish, not for the Church.

2. The ministry of the Twelve was a continuation of Jesus Christ’s ministry.

3. The Church did not begin at Pentecost.

4. Water baptism is not for this Church age.

5. The Lord’s Supper is not for this Church age.

6. Only the prison Epistles are for the Church age.

7. Israel, not the Church, is the Bride of Jesus Christ.

Some of the recent posts smack of ultra dispensationalism.
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The LAST POST is based on the POSTEE'S "inability" to deal with ANY VERSES presented from the Holy Scriptures concerning the two subjects opposed. The postee quotes someone's book about what they "think, like, or dislike" about someone else.

Baptists and hyperdispensationalists (Bullinger, Baker, Ohare, and Stam) are at odds with each other.

I certainly am a Baptist.

Nothing but statements of diversion and non-response to the VERSES as presented.

Typical.
 
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OldRegular

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The ultra dispensationalists are correct about one thing:

2. The ministry of the Twelve was a continuation of Jesus Christ’s ministry.
 
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carlaimpinge

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Originally posted by OldRegular:
Ref:

http://www.ccel.org/bible/phillips/CN092MAPS2.htm

Examination of this web site shows why the spread of the Gospel was unsuccessful in the Far East. According to some recent posts all the Apostles except Paul were preaching a false Gospel since they were dispersed before the mystery of the Gospel of Grace was revealed to the Apostle Paul.
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The brother AGAIN manifests his "false" tutelage FIBBING while doing so. Some of the "elect" have a hard time with PROGRESSIVE REVELATION due to being unlearned. (2 Peter 3)

No apostle preached any false gospel. Some did preach three true ones though! A false gospel is one which MIXES works with Paul's gospel of grace. (Read the whole book of Galatians) The brother is trying to confuse the naive and simple. There was no "false gospel" HISTORICALLY, until after Paul's showed up. To pervert his, IS the false gospel of Gal.1

All of the apostles WERE NOT scattered before the revelation of Paul's gospel. (Acts 15, Gal.2)

The scattering of Acts 8 followed the Acts 1 commission. (Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria) Paul was called back FROM Tarsus WHEN they reached Antioch in Syria. (Acts 11) It then went worldwide FROM THERE nurtured by the Pauline revelation, which ENCOMPASSED, OVERSAW, and SUPERCEDED all others. (See Gal.2 and Acts 18 for Apollos, and 1 Corinthians 1, concerning those saved under the teachings of OTHERS.
1 Cor.4:15-16)
 
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OldRegular

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Originally posted by Ed Edwards:
Why are we discussing Dispensationalism here
in this topic when the Dispensationalist topic here:
http://www.baptistboard.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/3/2790/5.html?
isn't being used since yesterday?
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Instead of asking another question why not try answering some that have been previously asked of You?

What gospel was Peter preaching, the Gospel of Jesus Christ or the Gospel of Paul? When was the Gospel that Peter preached phased out as Ituttut claims? Some of the Apostles [Bartholomew and Thomas] reportedly traveled as far as India. What Gospel did they preach?
 
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