The REAL Jack Hyles

[Soulman]

Quoted by Dr. Bob: His soul winning 1-2-3-pray-after-me technique will result in more people THINKING they are born again and on their way to hell than any other false teaching short of infant baptism.

At least the 1-2-3 folks are giving the gospel attempting to do God's will, while it is the Calvanists' who sit on their duffs and do nothing because they are chosen. They think they are saved too.

 

[Charles E Smith]

I agree Soulman.There are somethings I disagree with Hyles on but I loved his emphasis on soul winning. It's people like Dr.Bob and some of the folks on the FFF that turn me off more from Calvinism then anything John Calvin ever said. If they were more like Spurgeon and Whitefield and less like pharisees I might consider becoming a Calvinist!

 

[Remnant]

Dear Folks,

I am 36. When I was 7 my parents got caught up in "Pastor-Worship". This occurred when they attended Pastor's School in 1978. Our lives were scarred forever when we began following our local Pastor at the command of brother Hyles.

Lets not worry about what Brother Hyles said. He was a good friend and colleague of my mentor and Pastor. However he was a man and quite obviously fallible and sinful as the rest of us are.

Let us "look(ing) unto Jesus the Author & Finisher of our Faith" and stop this meaningless thread.

Love in Christ to all his chosen ones. Remnant

 

[Remnant]

Mr. Soul man, is quite right that the "easy believism" is a sham in my humble opinion and in the righteous opinion of God's Holy Word.

But please understand I was saved under Hyles ministry, you don't get more "easy beleivism" than that. ButIn that day the Word of God was read, and God reached down in His Mighty Power and set my feet on a rock even in the midst of darkness and legalism. Even Charles Spurgeon agreed that the Baxterions had some true converts. (may I suggest a study of their doctrine would show that their doctrinal stand on salvation is not much different than our present day Independant Baptist doctrine?)

Only the preaching of the Word is necessary with its power to transform a soul. Just like when God breathed into Adam the breath of life. In its wake follows a flood of faith, belief and repentance...all of which are gifts from on high. Hallelujah! Ephesians 2:8, Phil 1:29, 2Tim 2:25

 

[Dr. Bob]

Originally posted by Soulman:
At least the 1-2-3 folks are giving the gospel attempting to do God's will, while it is the Calvanists' who sit on their duffs and do nothing because they are chosen. They think they are saved too.

Foolish talk. I don't know a single person who is reformed that does not actively share the Good News. You argument is a fatuous as your stereotype.

BTW, the 1-2-3 Gospel is NOT the Gospel of the New Testament. It is a false Gospel that deceives people into believing "decisionsism" instead of all God's sufficient grace to do HIS work, not man's.

 

[Dr. Bob]

Originally posted by Charles E Smith:
It's people like Dr.Bob and some of the folks on the FFF that turn me off more from Calvinism then anything John Calvin ever said. If they were more like Spurgeon and Whitefield and less like pharisees I might consider becoming a Calvinist!

No fear, Bro Smith, about becoming a Calvinist. You are not worthy of the name. Wallow in your finneyesque man-centric religion while Calvinists rejoice in a Sovereign God.

The modern cult of "soul winning" has replaced biblical preaching/teaching and holy Spirit conversion in many ifb churches. Sadly.

The demons believe. Believing is not enough. But then, you do know the NT is way more than the 1-2-3, right?

 

[David Ekstrom]

As a HAC grad, I concur that HAC teaches, because Hyles taught, a very low view of God. Actually, they taught a very high view of Hyles which amounts to the same thing. At Hyles funeral it was stated that Hyles could remember so many people because he walked with God so closely for so long that he was like God, and of course,
God remembers people. This was said by Ray Young, one of the associate pastors of the church and a leader of HAC. BTW, Dave Hyles also spoke at that meeting. He said that his father never got discouraged because he lived above the clouds.
Wonderful fundamental Baptist doctrine, don't you think?

 

[Soulman]

Posted by Dr. Bob: Foolish talk. I don't know a single person who is reformed that does not actively share the Good News. You argument is a fatuous as your stereotype.

Then you don't know many. I was a Calvanist for years. Although they may share the gospel with visitors amd aquaintainces, very few would actually go out into the world and share the gospel. They figured that God would save whom He will.

Posted by Dr. Bob:BTW, the 1-2-3 Gospel is NOT the Gospel of the New Testament. It is a false Gospel that deceives people into believing "decisionsism" instead of all God's sufficient grace to do HIS work, not man's.

The bible teaches that it is our decision Dr. Bob. Christ is the second Adam and we all have the same choice as Adam did to serve God or not.

It is God's grace that saves through faith which is the substance of things hoped for. Trust and hope are concious decisions made with a free will!

Posted by Dr. Bob: No fear, Bro Smith, about becoming a Calvinist. You are not worthy of the name. Wallow in your finneyesque man-centric religion while Calvinists rejoice in a Sovereign God.

When you don't have any real ammo to fight with it is nice to see that you can at least be condesending. The bible is clear. Calvanists have muddied the waters and hurt the intent of the Great Commission.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Let us keep this thread on topic please.

We have a forum for discussing Calvinism.

Thanks

Roger
C4K
Moderator

 

[Soulman]

Didn't mean for that to happen C4K. Sorry.

 

[David Ekstrom]

To get back on track, I commented on something said about Hyles at his funeral by no less than Ray Young. You may recall that I reported that Young claimed that Hyles had a prodigious ability to remember names because he had walked with God so closely for so long that he was like God. Young's comment reflects the REAL Jack Hyles, the most self-obsessed man I ever knew. Worship of him knew no bounds because he actively taught and encouraged it. I won't disgust you with the numerous Hyles-quotes that can be cited that, brick-by-brick built the great idol Hyles constructed of himself.
I would wonder how his defenders can defend that.

 

[David Ekstrom]

Did Hyles ever admit to making a mistake? I recall seeing in a rag that HAC put out that Hyles was talking about his younger days. He claimed he once made the mistake of being too gracious and slow to deal with a particular situation that required stricter measures. In all the years, I knew him, this was the only thing that even remotely came as an acknowledgment of an error. He was once too saintly and kind to judge someone.
Reminds me of a speech I saw Hitler giving once when I was taking German. Herr Fuhrer apologized to the Nazi faithful for being so patient and reluctant to invade Poland. He waited and waited until he had to wait. He was so very sorry that he didn't act sooner. He was such a bad man for being so good!

 

[David Ekstrom]

I had been feeling nostalgic about my days in Hyles' camp. It had been years since I had left. I wanted to see what I could reclaim. I even started writing a book, entitled, "A Second Look at Fundamentalism: Why I Came, Why I Left, and What I Want to Take with Me." (Not that I had any expectation that anyone would read it.) It was at this time that Hyles died. I was saddened and I attended his funeral.

After Hyles' funeral and much soul-searching I was all the more certain of why I left and I came to the conclusion about "What I Want to Take with Me." The answer is diddley-squat! Kind of put a cubash on the book thing.

 

[PappaBear]

Originally posted by Dr. Bob:
You are not worthy of the name. Wallow in your finneyesque man-centric religion ...

Wow... Admins are allowed to make ad hominem attacks like that here? Or can anyone do this?

 

[AVL1984]

PappaBear, I didn't see it as an attack. But, I do find it strange that you would show up here and attack Dr. Bob. Hmmm....makes me wonder about your motives, Brother. Is this what Trinity/Drs Gray and Messer taught you?

 

[PappaBear]

Are you following suit and judging motives, AVL1984? I see Bob's example is being followed.

 

[AVL1984]

I find that a typical comeback from you, PB. Bob's example ISN'T being followed by me. I know where I stand. And you seem to be standing in a meadow muffin.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Come on fellas - lets keep to the topic. Even as an admin Dr Bob WAS reminded above of the same in my post above.

They has been a lot of accusation of "heavy handed moderating" of late so I would prefer to let this thing run, but we can't keep it on topic I will be forced to close it.

Actually, any thread on an individual always leads to this kind of general degeneration.

 

[AVL1984]

Agreed, Bro. Roger. I assisted in the "bad".

 

[Gib]

That wasn't a stretch for you Tony