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Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by stilllearning, Sep 1, 2015.

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  1. rsr

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    Dr. Cassidy and I have somewhat divergent views on the "true" text of the New Testament -- and I certainly do not have his expertise in this area -- but I think both he and I are willing to correct the mistaken assertions of our respective views. For that I congratulate him.
     
    #101 rsr, Sep 10, 2015
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    Rippon, my dear brother,
    Do you think that I would say that Sinaiticus doesn't have the Pastoral Epistles, if it does? Why don't you look it up?
     
    #102 Martin Marprelate, Sep 11, 2015
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    Martin, I recommend you read A full Collation of the Codex Sinaiticus with the received text of the New Textament by Frederick H. SCRIVENER
    Deighton, Bell, and Co., 1864.

    It is now available online through Google Books. https://books.google.com/books?id=v...epage&q=sinaiticus pastoral epistles'&f=false

    Scrivener says, on page xxxiii of the Introduction, "The four gospels stand in their usual order, then follow St. Paul's Epistles - that to the Hebrews preceding the four Pastoral letters then the Acts and the Catholic Epistles in their usual order, then the Apocalypse." [Emphasis mine.]
     
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    #104 TCassidy, Sep 11, 2015
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    So which of the various TR texts would be seen as being the 'real one?"
     
    #105 Yeshua1, Sep 14, 2015
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    Are you willing to acknowledge that you are mistaken now?
     
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    I really need to stay away from these discussions. I am just a simple Baptist. So now after reading every page of this debate, i do not know which bible to use: my ESV Reference, ESV study bible , Collins KJV, Nelson NKJV, Nelson NKJV study Bible, Holman study bible, or the old Douay-Rheims gathering dust on an unused shelf. I am certain this is important work, but I must say that to the average layman, it is all very confusing.
     
    #107 DMorgan, Oct 17, 2015
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    KJV. read Psalm 12:5-6.
     
    #108 Jordan Kurecki, Oct 17, 2015
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    Where does Psalm 12:5-6 mention the KJV? "For the oppression of the poor, for the sighing of the needy, now will I arise, saith the LORD; I will set him in safety from him that puffeth at him.
    6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times."
     
    #109 TCassidy, Oct 17, 2015
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    Because the KJV is the seventh revision of the English Bible. Never mind that the counting is off or that it usually includes the Wycliffe, which is based on the Vulgate, not the Greek. Details, details.
     
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    Yes, I do apologize. I am completely confused (as so often!). It is Vaticanus that is missing the Pastoral Epistles, Philemon and the concluding verses of Hebrews.

    Apologies once again.
     
    #111 Martin Marprelate, Oct 18, 2015
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    Thank you!

    To be more specific, B is missing Hbrews 9:14-13:25 and all of Revelation along with 1 and 2 Timothy as well as Philemon.
     
    #112 Rippon, Oct 18, 2015
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    Yes. Vaticanus is missing Hebrews 9:15 and following, 1 and 2 Timothy, Titus, Philemon, and Revelation. :)
     
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    And Titus.
     
    #114 TCassidy, Oct 18, 2015
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    Read them all DMorgan :)
    My primary 3 are NASB, ESV, and NIV84. However I use the NKJV and HCSB to compare frequently. None of the translations you listed (KJV, ESV, NKJV) will change your beliefs. You will get the same doctrine. During study I would just compare the ESV to the KJV/NKJV, or vice versa.

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    #115 McCree79, Oct 27, 2015
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    Thanks, that is pretty much what I do. I find the ESV study bible notes are more indepth than the NKJV notes, but being brought up in the KJV, the NKJV reads better. It is all good, and i do not get into the manuscrpt debate. Way above my level of expertise.
     
    #116 DMorgan, Oct 28, 2015
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    Hey, some of the guys here don't let lack of expertise stop them! Laugh
     
    #117 John of Japan, Oct 29, 2015
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