The result of loving Jesus and keeping His commandments

[utilyan]

No you can walk away and go back to sinning. It's that Christ will never leave nor forsake. He will come looking for His lost sheep to bring them back into the flock. If Christ does not come looking for you then you were never His to begin with. We do not persevere like the Calvinist we are kept by God.



Jesus saves when man has genuine faith.


Salvation is not by works. Faith is not a work;
Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Faith cannot be a work in the verse above. Calvinist claim it's a work but they contradict the Bible every time they do. Faith is believing. and faith is from hearing the gospel
MB

Lets stick to the facts as you lay out. .

Faith is not work check.

No one can do anything to GET IT. ie work for it.

"If Christ does not come looking for you then you were never His to begin with."
Lets keep a good focus on this statement you made.

Does Christ not come looking for some people and only looking for those who will be saved?

Does this means GOD must decide for you to get this GIFT?

Does God give this gift to everyone? Does God never forsake anyone?

Is the one who is not saved capable of doing sincere and actual GOOD WORKS that has God as its source? Could a Muslim or Buddhist, non-christian, atheist do ACTUAL good works that has God as its source?

 

[HankD]

We look too deeply or think too deeply into the mind of GOD.

Why not just answer the invitation that He left in the last book, last chapter of the bible?

Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

 

[MB]

Lets stick to the facts as you lay out. .

Faith is not work check.

Right

No one can do anything to GET IT. ie work for it.

No it's a gift

"If Christ does not come looking for you then you were never His to begin with."
Lets keep a good focus on this statement you made.

Does Christ not come looking for some people and only looking for those who will be saved?

God will look for the saved. He will draw the lost.

Does this means GOD must decide for you to get this GIFT?

God has already decided it's up to you to believe in Him.

Does God give this gift to everyone? Does God never forsake anyone?
To only those who believe in Him. He never forsakes the saved.

Is the one who is not saved capable of doing sincere and actual GOOD WORKS that has God as its source? Could a Muslim or Buddhist, non-christian, atheist do ACTUAL good works that has God as its source?

Men can do good works, both the saved and the lost. The lost are not usually inspired to do good works by God. But then there is nothing impossible with God. Some people are generous by nature. Cornelius in the Bible was a generous man giving alms to the Jews before he was saved.
MB

 

[37818]

Sorry, I missed the first thread on this topic (before it was locked),
and I don't know if anyone presented these verses ...

John 14:21-23 (NKJV)
"He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me.
And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father,
and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.
... If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him,
and We will come to him and make Our home with him."

It appears there are conditions for receiving and keeping the Holy Spirit.

". . . If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. . . ." -- John 14:15-17.
". . . And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. . . ." -- 1 John 2:23.
". . . He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. . . ." -- John 3:36.
". . . A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. . . ." -- John 13:34-35.

 

[Van]

Sorry, I missed the first thread on this topic (before it was locked),
and I don't know if anyone presented these verses ...

John 14:21-23 (NKJV)
"He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me.
And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father,
and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.
... If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him,
and We will come to him and make Our home with him."

It appears there are conditions for receiving and keeping the Holy Spirit.

So scripture teaches conditional election, based on God crediting our devotion to Christ as righteousness. Faith from which faithfulness flows. Live faith, not dead faith, or lip service faith.

Does "keeping" Christ's commands require perfection or just sincere effort. James 2:5 indicates folks are chosen who are "rich in faith" and heirs to kingdom promised to those who "love" God.

If God chooses to put an individual into Christ, making them alive, regenerating them, and Christ has promised never to cast them out, will a subsequent sinful thought or act result in the person being cast out?

 

[utilyan]

Right


No it's a gift


God will look for the saved. He will draw the lost.


God has already decided it's up to you to believe in Him.

God has already decided it's up to you to believe in Him.

Has God already decided its up to one not to believe in him?

Is believe in him something YOU DO? Or is it a condition God gifts a person ?

You said "If Christ does not come looking for you then you were never His to begin with."

Are there people Christ does not look for and are not offered the gift?

 

[MB]

God has already decided it's up to you to believe in Him.

Has God already decided its up to one not to believe in him?

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Is believe in him something YOU DO? Or is it a condition God gifts a person ?

Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

You said "If Christ does not come looking for you then you were never His to begin with."

Are there people Christ does not look for and are not offered the gift?

Christ said; Joh 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
Yet there are a lot of people that will not come to Him. Everyone that believes on Him will be saved. Believing is a choice we make.
MB

 

[Samuels]

John 10
28 And I give unto them eternal life;
and they shall never perish,
neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all;
and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

You left out the most important part ...
the conditions, the pre-requisites, found in the previous verse!
IMO, very few today meet them.

 

[Samuels]

When we come to Christ it is by our own decision to do so ...

Yes, I'm not sure that you are wrong, by any means!
But, there are a multitude of NT verses
that say man is unable (on his own)
to believe in Jesus and His gospel.
Why don't you start a thread about it?

 

[Samuels]

Salvation is not by works. Faith is not a work;

Faith is not a work
Faithfulness is not a work
Enduring in the faith is not a work
Loving Jesus is not a work
Obedience is not a work
Practicing righteousness is not a work
Repenting of your sins is not a work
etc.
All of this is merely "your reasonable service" (Romans 12:1)
What else would this reasonable service be?

 

[HankD]

You left out the most important part ...
the conditions, the pre-requisites, found in the previous verse!
IMO, very few today meet them.

NO not important in the way you mean Sam.
Hearing and Following are characteristics of the sheep not requirements or prerequisites to be or become sheep.
Sheep are sheep.
Goats are goats.
Wolves are wolves.

 

[utilyan]

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.



Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.


Christ said; Joh 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
Yet there are a lot of people that will not come to Him. Everyone that believes on Him will be saved. Believing is a choice we make.
MB

" Believing is a choice we make."

If you choose not to is that a sin?

 

[HankD]

Amen, when you decide to walk off his hand no one is plucking them out.

its not possible, you cant be removed from the fathers hand because you are a man and not GOD.

ALSO did Jesus tell the truth when HE said
John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Its not by my power or my word that I cannot perish but the promise of Christ who cannot lie.

You are safe in His hand.

 

[MB]

" Believing is a choice we make."

If you choose not to is that a sin?

Yes it is. it;s called rebellion.
MB

 

[MB]

Yes, I'm not sure that you are wrong, by any means!
But, there are a multitude of NT verses
that say man is unable (on his own)
to believe in Jesus and His gospel.
Why don't you start a thread about it?

There are a lot of things man is unable to do but every man has a measure of faith given to him or her at birth. All men everywhere has been granted repentance Man is able to place his faith in Christ and more faith comes by hearing the gospel.

This is why they did not understand Christ as He spoke.
Mat 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

My theory about that is that Christ was fulfilling prophecy and it wasn't the right time for them to understand because Christ hadn't paid the atonement yet. Let's not forget with out the Jews being blinded to what Christ was saying they may not have rejected him. With out the Jew being broken off from the tree we might not have been grafted in.
This is why Gentiles hear;
Act_28:28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.
MB

 

[mailmandan]

Sorry, I missed the first thread on this topic (before it was locked),
and I don't know if anyone presented these verses ...
John 14:21-23 (NKJV)
"He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me.
And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father,
and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.
... If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him,
and We will come to him and make Our home with him."
It appears there are conditions for receiving and keeping the Holy Spirit.

This flawed conclusion is the result of confusing 'DESCRIPTIVE' passages of scripture with 'PRESCRIPTIVE' passages of scripture.

 

[utilyan]

Yes it is. it;s called rebellion.
MB

So the good WORK of not rebelling is required. Love God. Correct?

 

[utilyan]

its not possible, you cant be removed from the fathers hand because you are a man and not GOD.

ALSO did Jesus tell the truth when HE said
John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Its not by my power or my word that I cannot perish but the promise of Christ who cannot lie.

You are safe in His hand.

No one is plucking you out....when you walk off his hand.

 

[37818]

Repenting of your sins is not a work
etc.

". . . that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance. . . ." -- Acts of the Apostles 26:20.

 

[HankD]

No one is plucking you out....when you walk off his hand.

I feel bad for you that you have these doubts. Personally Jesus won't let me walk off His hand. Sounds familiar...
"yea hath God said?"
So did Jesus tell the truth when HE said they shall never perish?