The role of the wife.

[Brother Shane]

Brother Bob,

What is your point? We know that scripture can not contradict itself. You have yet to show me that the scripture in Matthew is advocating divorce, and you have yet to show me WHY fornication and adultery in that scripture means that same thing and why Jesus never excused divorce for fornication anywhere else in the Bible.

You have you work cut out for you -- get busy.

 

[Brother Bob]

Brother Bob,

What is your point? We know that scripture can not contradict itself. You have yet to show me that the scripture in Matthew is advocating divorce, and you have yet to show me WHY fornication and adultery in that scripture means that same thing and why Jesus never excused divorce for fornication anywhere else in the Bible.

You have you work cut out for you -- get busy.

1 Corth 7:2



1: Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.
2: Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
3: Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.
4: The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.

My point is that you said that fornication was only the unmarried, and I say unto you that fornication covers both the single and the married.

fornication:
Pronunciation: por-ni'-ah
Origin: from 4203
Reference: TDNT - 6:579,918
PrtSpch:
In Greek: porneiav 6, porneiai 2, porneia 2
In NET: immorality 6, immoral 2, sexual 1, immoralities 1
In AV: fornication 26
Count: 26
Definition: 1) illicit sexual intercourse
1a) adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse
with animals etc.
1b) sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18
1c) sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; \\#Mr 10:11,12\\
2) metaph. the worship of idols
2a) of the defilement of idolatry, as incurred by eating the
sacrifices offered to idols
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
from 4203; harlotry (including adultery and incest); figuratively,
idolatry:-fornication.
see GREEK for 4203


BBob,

 

[Brother Shane]

I said it was only to the ummarried in this scripture, Brother Bob.

 

[Cutter]

I take the scripture to be to the married. IMO




1: Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.
2: Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
BBob,

To me, in the context of what is written, it is clear Paul is saying to avoid committing fornication (sex without marriage and with multiple partners) one should marry, as Paul said, "let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband."

 

[Brother Shane]

You're right, Cutter. It is blatantly obvious.

 

[Amy.G]

You have you work cut out for you -- get busy.

You need a spanking.

 

[Brother Bob]

To me, in the context of what is written, it is clear Paul is saying to avoid committing fornication (sex without marriage and with multiple partners) one should marry, as Paul said, "let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband."

I will agree to disagree respectively........:thumbs:
Let ever man have his own wife, well if its to the unmarried, he does not have a wife. One Giant leap from being single, getting married and then let every man have his own wife.

BBob,

 

[Brother Bob]

You're right, Cutter. It is blatantly obvious.

What else could you say!

Bbob,:BangHead:

 

[Brother Bob]

I said it was only to the ummarried in this scripture, Brother Bob.

fornication is used in several different definitions, but in this scripture it is what I gave you, and the following definition is what this scripture gives, which will answer 1 Corth 7:2 also. 1: Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.
2: Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband

fornication:
Pronunciation: por-ni'-ah
Origin: from 4203
Reference: TDNT - 6:579,918
PrtSpch:
In Greek: porneiav 6, porneiai 2, porneia 2
In NET: immorality 6, immoral 2, sexual 1, immoralities 1
In AV: fornication 26
Count: 26
Definition: 1) illicit sexual intercourse
1a) adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse
with animals etc.
1b) sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18
1c) sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; \\#Mr 10:11,12\\
2) metaph. the worship of idols
2a) of the defilement of idolatry, as incurred by eating the
sacrifices offered to idols
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
from 4203; harlotry (including adultery and incest); figuratively,
idolatry:-fornication.
see GREEK for 4203


BBob,

 

[Brother Shane]

Your definition of fornication contains the word in it. You decided to pick "adultery" so you can say that Jesus allowed divorce because you can not find it anywhere else in the Bible. Then, you take it a step farther and say that scriptures advocates divorce. I can PROVE it does not mean "sex within marriage" -- simply by showing Jesus never advocated divorce for fornication anywhere else in the Bible -- and the fact He used "adultery" later in the same verse, demonstrating a difference between that word and the one used before. If not, why didn't He close with fornication the same way He opened? And you know, the list goes on and on ... and you refuse to accept it.

 

[Brother Bob]

Your definition of fornication contains the word in it. You decided to pick "adultery" so you can say that Jesus allowed divorce because you can not find it anywhere else in the Bible. Then, you take it a step farther and say that scriptures advocates divorce. I can PROVE it does not mean "sex within marriage" -- simply by showing Jesus never advocated divorce for fornication anywhere else in the Bible -- and the fact He used "adultery" later in the same verse, demonstrating a difference between that word and the one used before. If not, why didn't He close with fornication the same way He opened? And you know, the list goes on and on ... and you refuse to accept it.

Sure!!


1 Corth 7:2 also. 1: Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.
2: Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband

BBob

 

[Amy.G]

ad·vo·cate
–verb (used with object) 1. to speak or write in favor of; support or urge by argument; recommend publicly: He advocated higher salaries for teachers.

Then, you take it a step farther and say that scriptures advocates divorce.

Bro. Shane, no one has said that scripture "advocates" divorce. There is a huge difference between "permitting" and "advocating".

 

[Brother Shane]

It is good for a man NOT to touch a woman -- unmarried. So, what to do to prevent fornication? Get married! Likewise.

Why get married? To prevent fornication -- premarital sex!

 

[gb93433]

It is good for a man NOT to touch a woman -- unmarried. So, what to do to prevent fornication? Get married! Likewise.

Why get married? To prevent fornication -- premarital sex!

There are plenty of unmarried people who have not sinned and serve God. In fact Paul advocated not getting married in 1 Cor. 7:7, 8. Then in verse 9 is the contrasting first class conditional statement.

 

[LadyEagle]

So, what to do to prevent fornication? Get married! Likewise.

Why get married? To prevent fornication -- premarital sex!

If that's the reason you get married one day, you are already in deep trouble. :tear:

 

[gb93433]

It is good for a man NOT to touch a woman -- unmarried. So, what to do to prevent fornication? Get married! Likewise.

Why get married? To prevent fornication -- premarital sex!

If you study the usage of the word tranlsated as fornication you will realize that porneia includes much more than sex with another human.

In 1 Cor 7:9 Paul writes a contrasting first class conditional sentence. Because of that, your argument in not quite in line with Paul is teaching.

 

[Brother Shane]

....and I miss the point. We're not talking about sinning in general; we're talking about fornciation. There might have been plenty that did not marry and contain themselves, but we're not talking about that.

 

[Cutter]

I will agree to disagree respectively........:thumbs:
,

I guess so, Bro. Bob.
If a man or a woman cannot remain celibate then they can go get a wife or a husband. There is no sin in that, plus they would not fornicate with others.
It is plain as the nose on your face.

 

[gb93433]

....and I miss the point. We're not talking about sinning in general; we're talking about fornciation. There might have been plenty that did not marry and contain themselves, but we're not talking about that.

Sinning in general uses a very different word. Let's stick to the text and examine the usage of the word porneia.

I am not talking about sinning in general I am talking about porneia which is the word translated as fornication.

Read your Greek text and you will see what I mean. You can also use a Greek concordance and see how it is used in the NT, the intertestamental period, and the LXX.

 

[gb93433]

I guess so, Bro. Bob.
If a man or a woman cannot remain celibate then they can go get a wife or a husband. There is no sin in that, plus they would not fornicate with others.
It is plain as the nose on your face.

The solution is not getting a wife or husband. The solution is beng holy and self control. Those in jail in segregation can easily remain celibate. That is not the issue Paul addresses in 1 Cor. 7

The sentence used in 1 Cor. 7:9 is an affirmation of reality. It is a solution to a situation already in place.