The Sabbath was not Changed

[BobRyan]

Here we have a Baptist Pastor admitting to that "change" that the Baptist Confession of Faith admits to -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HO8kVXUQ3ZU


So also does the Baptist Confession of Faith agree with this idea that the Bible Sabbath as given by God is not Sunday.

Quote:
22.7 As it is the law of nature that a portion of time by God's appointment should be set apart for the worship of God, so in his Word he has given a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment, binding all people in all ages. In particular he has appointed one day in seven as a Sabbath to be kept holy to him.1 From the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ this was the last day of the week, but from the resurrection of Christ it was changed to the first day of the week which is called the Lord's Day. This is to be continued to the end of the world as the Christian Sabbath, the observation of the last day of the week being abolished.2

(1) Gen 2:3; Exo 20:8-11; Mar 2:27-28; Rev 1:10
(2) Joh 20:1; Act 2:1; 20:7; 1Co 16:1; Rev 1:10; Col 2:16-17
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They admit that a CHANGE was made in what the BIBLE states to be the Sabbath day - Saturday. Almost every Baptist on this board today - knows that the Bible Sabbath is Saturday.

The Change was done via man-made tradition NOT a "Commandment" in either NT or OT to "make the change of God's Law".

Rather we have Mark 7 flatly forbidding man-made-traditions the privilege of editing the Law of God.


Spurgeon's own edit of the Baptist Confession of Faith and the fact that in the actual BIBLE the Sabbath is the SEVENTH day of the week - Saturday not the FIRST day of the week - SUNDAY.

Quote:
As it is the law of nature that in general a proportion of time, by God's appointment, should be set apart for the worship of God, so He has given in His Word a positive, moral and perpetual commandment, binding upon all men, in all ages to this effect. He has particularly appointed one day in seven for a Sabbath to be kept holy for Him. From the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ this was the last day of the week, and from the resurrection of Christ it was changed to the first day of the week and called the Lord's Day. This is to be continued until the end of the world as the Christian Sabbath, the observation of the last day of the week having been abolished.


Catholic sources themselves speak out on this undeniable "change" appears to be something like this --

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrB21mc2fmI

 

[The Biblicist]

Here we have a Baptist Pastor admitting to that "change" that the Baptist Confession of Faith admits to -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HO8kVXUQ3ZU


So also does the Baptist Confession of Faith agree with this idea that the Bible Sabbath as given by God is not Sunday.

Quote:
22.7 As it is the law of nature that a portion of time by God's appointment should be set apart for the worship of God, so in his Word he has given a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment, binding all people in all ages. In particular he has appointed one day in seven as a Sabbath to be kept holy to him.1 From the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ this was the last day of the week, but from the resurrection of Christ it was changed to the first day of the week which is called the Lord's Day. This is to be continued to the end of the world as the Christian Sabbath, the observation of the last day of the week being abolished.2

(1) Gen 2:3; Exo 20:8-11; Mar 2:27-28; Rev 1:10
(2) Joh 20:1; Act 2:1; 20:7; 1Co 16:1; Rev 1:10; Col 2:16-17
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They admit that a CHANGE was made in what the BIBLE states to be the Sabbath day - Saturday. Almost every Baptist on this board today - knows that the Bible Sabbath is Saturday.

The Change was done via man-made tradition NOT a "Commandment" in either NT or OT to "make the change of God's Law".

Rather we have Mark 7 flatly forbidding man-made-traditions the privilege of editing the Law of God.


Spurgeon's own edit of the Baptist Confession of Faith and the fact that in the actual BIBLE the Sabbath is the SEVENTH day of the week - Saturday not the FIRST day of the week - SUNDAY.

Quote:
As it is the law of nature that in general a proportion of time, by God's appointment, should be set apart for the worship of God, so He has given in His Word a positive, moral and perpetual commandment, binding upon all men, in all ages to this effect. He has particularly appointed one day in seven for a Sabbath to be kept holy for Him. From the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ this was the last day of the week, and from the resurrection of Christ it was changed to the first day of the week and called the Lord's Day. This is to be continued until the end of the world as the Christian Sabbath, the observation of the last day of the week having been abolished.


Catholic sources themselves speak out on this undeniable "change" appears to be something like this --

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrB21mc2fmI

To be fair the Baptist Confession does not state the change occurred in the Law but in the application of the Law to the particular day of the week. For example, they still call Sunday the "sabbath" rather than repudiating the fourth commandment as some do.

Second, in the time of Christ the Jews observed the "seventh day OF THE WEEK." There was nothing wrong in the jewish application of the fourth commandment to the seventh day "of the week", however, neiither does the fourth commandment restrict it to the seventh day "of the week" either. Neither the creation Sabbath or any of the fourth commandment passages contain the words "of the week." The "of the week" is drawn by deductive reasoning which has defects in the logical process.

1. The Biblical record never assigns NAMES to "days" but numbers.

2. The NAMES of days is drawn from pagan calendars long after the creation seven days and you cannot possibly prove that all pagan cultures had the same calendars or harmonized their names of days with the seven days in creation or that such a transition occurred in the first century that matched the seven days in creation.

3. There is nothing moral in any given portion of time. The morality exists only in the arbritrary designation of that poriton of time by God.

4. The Sabbath law is founded upon the Genesis account of the Sabbath which is in direct connection with TWO different uses of the hebrew term "yom" ("day" - Gen. 2:3,4). The first use by context refers to a twenty-four hour period of time (v. 3). The second use by context refers to a longer period than twenty-four hours (v. 4). God applies the Sabbath law to both and you cannot deny that ("day" "month" year" 50th year, etc.). Hence, to apply the Sabbath law to a twenty-four hour period is not wrong but to restrict it to a twenty-four hour period condemns God's own use and application of the Sabbath Law.

5. Therefore, the proper interpretation of the Sabbath law must coincide with God's own use and application. Therefore the Sabbath Law only demands a seventh portion of any stated qualfied time ("yom" twenty four hour or longer periods) that is preceded and followed by six equal portions of the same kind of time period.

Therefore, God can easily apply the fourth commandment to any "seventh" portion of time He chooses without violation of the Fourth Commandment. Therefore, the issue is whether the Bible teaches that he did apply it to the "first day of the week" as the stated portion of time for Sabbath observance. The biblical evidence from both the Old and New Testaments demands he did. The Jewish application of the Sabbath Law to their "seventh day OF THE WEEK" is not wrong but neither is it demanded by the fourth commandment which not only allows for application to other days of the week but indeed the Scriptures do supply examples where it was applied to other days of the week than the "seventh." So, even if you could prove that the Jewish seventh day of the week at the time of Christ corresponded with the seven days of creation it proves nothing as God is not restricted in arbritarily applying it to another seventh portion of time to commemorate a greater work of God then a now defective sin cursed creation.

 

[HisWitness]

And then there is the Baptist Confession of Faith claiming that the Sabbath WAS changed.


So also does the Baptist Confession of Faith agree with this idea that the Bible Sabbath as given by God is not Sunday.

Quote:
22.7 As it is the law of nature that a portion of time by God's appointment should be set apart for the worship of God, so in his Word he has given a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment, binding all people in all ages. In particular he has appointed one day in seven as a Sabbath to be kept holy to him.1 From the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ this was the last day of the week, but from the resurrection of Christ it was changed to the first day of the week which is called the Lord's Day. This is to be continued to the end of the world as the Christian Sabbath, the observation of the last day of the week being abolished.2

(1) Gen 2:3; Exo 20:8-11; Mar 2:27-28; Rev 1:10
(2) Joh 20:1; Act 2:1; 20:7; 1Co 16:1; Rev 1:10; Col 2:16-17
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They admit that a CHANGE was made in what the BIBLE states to be the Sabbath day - Saturday. Almost every Baptist on this board today - knows that the Bible Sabbath is Saturday.

So which is it?

I think the Sabbath was not changed - it is still Saturday.

in Christ,

Bob

according to YAH---He never changes--why would he change the day he made HOLY unto himself and command his people to keep it HOLY.

the Church is still his people--Pagans changed it to go along with the SUN god they worshipped get it SUN------SUNday

 

[HisWitness]

The Sabbath is still on Saturday

We celebrate the Lords resurrection every Week on Sunday - we break bread on the first day of the week - I Cor 16:2

Breaking bread is NOT the same as keeping the Sabbath---Just because we have received GRACE doesn't mean we have a license to SIN and do what we want and change YAH's Laws.

We can break bread any day of the week---theres only 1 day set aside for worshipping and that's the Sabbath 7th day

 

[HisWitness]

And then there is the Baptist Confession of Faith claiming that the Sabbath WAS changed.


So also does the Baptist Confession of Faith agree with this idea that the Bible Sabbath as given by God is not Sunday.

Quote:
22.7 As it is the law of nature that a portion of time by God's appointment should be set apart for the worship of God, so in his Word he has given a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment, binding all people in all ages. In particular he has appointed one day in seven as a Sabbath to be kept holy to him.1 From the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ this was the last day of the week, but from the resurrection of Christ it was changed to the first day of the week which is called the Lord's Day. This is to be continued to the end of the world as the Christian Sabbath, the observation of the last day of the week being abolished.2

(1) Gen 2:3; Exo 20:8-11; Mar 2:27-28; Rev 1:10
(2) Joh 20:1; Act 2:1; 20:7; 1Co 16:1; Rev 1:10; Col 2:16-17
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They admit that a CHANGE was made in what the BIBLE states to be the Sabbath day - Saturday. Almost every Baptist on this board today - knows that the Bible Sabbath is Saturday.

So which is it?

I think the Sabbath was not changed - it is still Saturday.

in Christ,

Bob

Really the whole thing is foolish--why not do it on Saturday---that way you can be right if that's the way it is---the thing is people DONT regard YAH'S Laws anymore--but go about to establish their own.

 

[BobRyan]

according to YAH---He never changes--why would he change the day he made HOLY unto himself and command his people to keep it HOLY.

the Church is still his people--Pagans changed it to go along with the SUN god they worshipped get it SUN------SUNday

My own view is that the Baptist Confession of Faith is correct to say that the Ten Commandments (all TEN of them) is the moral law of God - that was given to mankind in Genesis 1-2 and that this law still applies to mankind (including the saints) today.

However I differ with them when they claim it was changed. (At least it was not changed by a Command of God in scripture)

I find no Bible statement saying that the 4th commandment has been changed from the Seventh day - to week-day-one. Many sources will admit that a change was made - but no one finds a Bible text saying that the seventh day explicitly specified in the 4th commandment is no longer applicable to the Sabbath Commandment - the 4th commandment.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[HisWitness]

My own view is that the Baptist Confession of Faith is correct to say that the Ten Commandments (all TEN of them) is the moral law of God - that was given to mankind in Genesis 1-2 and that this law still applies to mankind (including the saints) today.

However I differ with them when they claim it was changed.

I find no Bible statement saying that the 4th commandment has been changed from the Seventh day - to week-day-one. Many sources will admit that a change was made - but no one finds a Bible text saying that the seventh day explicitly specified in the 4th commandment is no longer applicable to the Sabbath Commandment - the 4th commandment.

in Christ,

Bob

your absolutely right according to the scripture friend :thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[BobRyan]

More popular among Baptists today - than the Baptist Confession of Faith POV - is this one.

Originally Posted by Steadfast Fred
The Sabbath has not changed. Christians assemble on the first day of the week, but they do not call that first day Sabbath.

Anyway, Jesus is our rest now. And we rest in Him 24/7

In this view the Sabbath is not changed - it is abolished.

So in their view - the Sabbath still specifies the 7th day of the week as God gave it - but the entire Sabbath commandment was abolished at the cross along with the Law of God - nailed to the cross. Then various portions of the Law of God - came back to life again - just not the 4th commandment. so the TEN Commandments have been downsized in that view.

By contrast the Baptist Confession of Faith does not argue that the Sabbath Commandment is abolished - only edited, only changed.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[HisWitness]

More popular among Baptists today - than the Baptist Confession of Faith POV - is this one.



In this view the Sabbath is not changed - it is abolished.

So in their view - the Sabbath still specifies the 7th day of the week as God gave it - but the entire Sabbath commandment was abolished at the cross along with the Law of God - nailed to the cross. Then various portions of the Law of God - came back to life again - just not the 4th commandment. so the TEN Commandments have been downsized in that view.

By contrast the Baptist Confession of Faith does not argue that the Sabbath Commandment is abolished - only edited, only changed.

in Christ,

Bob

that's what I been trying to tell him in another thread--:thumbs::thumbs:

 

[BobRyan]

I noticed that when I clicked on the "New Threads" link - that is why I grabbed his quote and responded to it.

But I don't have approved access to those other areas of the board. At least not according to the rules.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Bob Ryan and the SDAs have one, two-fold mission in life, to fight the Scriptures and God with regard to,
1) the Free Grace whereby God forever saved his elect; and,
2) with regard to the New Testament Sabbath "because Jesus had given them REST—salvation-Rest—JESUS, having entered into HIS OWN Rest as God and there THEREFORE for The People of God remains valid a keeping of the Sabbath Day [which] … God … BY THE SON … THUS CONCERNING … IN THESE LAST DAYS, have SPOKEN."

Which is to “superstitiously venerate” the sabbath of the Jews who concerning the Sabbath SPEAK NO DIFFERENT THAN THE SDAs because they—like the Jews—would never accept a Sabbath that depends on its origin and survival and existence and continuance in CHRIST’S RESURRECTION from the dead “on and in the Sabbath Day”, PURELY.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

And then there is the Baptist Confession of Faith claiming that the Sabbath WAS changed.


So also does the Baptist Confession of Faith agree with this idea that the Bible Sabbath as given by God is not Sunday.

Quote:
22.7 As it is the law of nature that a portion of time by God's appointment should be set apart for the worship of God, so in his Word he has given a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment, binding all people in all ages. In particular he has appointed one day in seven as a Sabbath to be kept holy to him.1 From the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ this was the last day of the week, but from the resurrection of Christ it was changed to the first day of the week which is called the Lord's Day. This is to be continued to the end of the world as the Christian Sabbath, the observation of the last day of the week being abolished.2

(1) Gen 2:3; Exo 20:8-11; Mar 2:27-28; Rev 1:10
(2) Joh 20:1; Act 2:1; 20:7; 1Co 16:1; Rev 1:10; Col 2:16-17
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They admit that a CHANGE was made in what the BIBLE states to be the Sabbath day - Saturday. Almost every Baptist on this board today - knows that the Bible Sabbath is Saturday.

So which is it?

I think the Sabbath was not changed - it is still Saturday.

in Christ,

Bob

"The day, The Seventh Day Sabbath of the LORD GOD", HAD inevitably, undeniably and indisputably been changed.

But the change to and of the Sabbath Day has not been a change that man had made or could make, but a change which only God could make and had made. Because the Sabbath's change was FUNDAMENTAL AND ESSENTIAL—not visible or superficial FROM the twenty four hour day "the DAY The Seventh Day [of the week]” TO another day. No, God never changed the Seventh Day to another day of the week. But He changed the calculable “Seventh Day” which He had “made” in MEANING, CHARACTER and in VIRTUE and HONOURABILITY, in that “God … had sworn by an oath that He would RAISE UP CHRIST TO SIT ON HIS THRONE … (and) the Lord having said unto my Lord, Sit Thou (Thee) … (Thou) being EXALTED on my Right Hand … hath made that same Jesus whom ye have crucified, BOTH LORD AND CHRIST.”

That was how the Lord Jesus Christ was “made”, “Lord of the Sabbath Day” and the Sabbath Day was “made”, “The Lord’s Day”.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

The Sabbath is still on Saturday

We celebrate the Lords resurrection every Week on Sunday - we break bread on the first day of the week - I Cor 16:2

Sorry, but you misquoted.

Just like Bob Ryan misquotes Confessions, you misquote Scriptures.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

So then you are also in opposition to your own Baptist Confession of Faith - even as C.H. Spurgeon edited it - on that one point about the Sabbath being changed - where they insist it has been changed - but I insist that it has not.

You appear to agree with me - and not the Baptist Confession of Faith in that one point. That the Sabbath of the 4th commandment still points to Saturday - the SEVENTH day of the week.

I appreciate agreement wherever it exists.

in Christ,

Bob

Bob Ryan has got stuck on this theme and won't get on one groove on his old LP.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

You are incorrect!
VIII. The Lord's Day
The first day of the week is the Lord's Day. It is a Christian institution for regular observance. It commemorates the resurrection of Christ from the dead and should include exercises of worship and spiritual devotion, both public and private. Activities on the Lord's Day should be commensurate with the Christian's conscience under the Lordship of Jesus Christ.
Exodus 20:8-11; Matthew 12:1-12; 28:1ff.; Mark 2:27-28; 16:1-7; Luke 24:1-3,33-36; John 4:21-24; 20:1,19-28; Acts 20:7; Romans 14:5-10; I Corinthians 16:1-2; Colossians 2:16; 3:16; Revelation 1:10.

Yes Bob Ryan is <incorrect> ...

and <<The first day of the week is the Lord's Day>> is an untruth.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Activities on the Lord's Day should be commensurate with the Christian's conscience under the Lordship of Jesus Christ.

That is where your trouble with the Scriptures start.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

... all TEN still binding on the saints today - even as it was given to ALL mankind in the OT

Not in the least; none of 'The Ten' is still binding on those for whom Christ Jesus is become their Word-of-God from God for God Himself; they don't need no more than Him for and as the Law of their conscience accepting Him as God's Word speaking, "Today, if you hear HIS VOICE, do not harden your heart!"

That is why I for one, cannot judge any "true believer" believing and keeping Sunday for the Lord's Day suffering the delusions created in them by the underhanded mutilators of the Scriptures with regard to the Sabbath.

... of whom Bob Ryan and Adventists are unrivalled collaborators and advocates ...

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

... all TEN still binding on the saints today - even as it was given to ALL mankind in the OT

Pure nonsense!

None of the Ten or of the two stones or of the Voice from Sinai was given to or heard by <<ALL mankind>>—CLEARLY NOT <in the OT>!

Shucks! Pure nonsense!

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

You're welcome to worship on whatever day you like, but if you still see a day of the week as the Sabbath, then you've missed the point of the Sabbath.

The Sabbath was only meant to be an illustration of the rest we have in Christ. Why would you prefer the shadow over the real thing?

If I may vent my feelings, I'd say you need to learn more than what is apparent in this post.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

I for one, am in complete agreement with the London Confession of Faith in regard to its total statement concerning the Sabbath and its view of the Law as well as its consistent position of justification by faith without works.

The change of Sabbath days was predicted in the ceremonial laws that characterized the New Covenant under Christ - Lev. 23

The change of Sabbath days was predicted by David in His Messanic prophecy about the day of the resurrection - Psa. 118:20-25/Acts 4:10-11

The change of Sabbath days is established under the New Covenant that abolishes the whole Sabbatory Levitical Laws under the Old Covenant including their Seventh day of the week Sabbath - Col. 2:16

The New Covenant ushers in a better and new Sabbath - Heb. 4:1-11 that is not fulfilled until God ushers in a new sinless creation and we enter into our rest completely both spirit, soul and body.

Our Sabbath day is a day of rejoicing and worship free from all Mosaic restrictions and bondage and is called "the Lord's Day" - Rev. 1:10

It is the historic Christian day of worship from the first century unto the fourth century BEFORE Constantine ever submitted his law.

It is no more a "sun" worship observance than Saturday is a "Saturn" worship observance.

The resurrection day is the first sabbath in a new series of sabbaths under the New Covenant - Mk. 16:9 - "proto sabbatou"

There is not one recorded "church" worship on the seventh day of the week in the New Testament - all on the first day of the week.

The only evidence for any kind of Satuday meetings is with Paul going to the Jews to witness to them on their Sabbath.

You refer to so many 'Scriptures' it is like the whole bunch of them are tied round their necks to the millstone you want to drown them with in the depths of your ocean of darkness.

One thing at a time!

Because each of the above has many times before one by one been answered. If you want their refutation repeated, bring them up one at a time again.

PS
I must add your post is ossified to the core and template of Sunday apologetics.