The Sabbath was not Changed

[Gup20]

we follow his commandments because we are Righteous through Yahshua-- and pursue a coarse unto Holiness --not to obtain Righteousness.

You might want to read more carefully... we are in agreement.

God made this promise to Abraham as an everlasting promise 430 years before the Law was given. God preached the gospel of Jesus Christ to Abraham and when Abraham believed the gospel, God counted this as righteousness. He granted that righteousness as an everlasting inheritance to Abraham's seed. But you see, he spoke of Abraham's spiritual seed, not his physical seed. Those who are of the same faith as Abraham are heirs according to this promise.

The only way you can BE righteous is not by following The Law... for after 1 sin, that way to being righteous is cut off from you. The only way to be righteous and have your righteousness surpass the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees is through the righteousness that comes through faith. Then it isn't based on your own righteousness, but on the righteousness of Christ.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

You are indeed correct, that the Sabbath day was never changed, as it was meant for and is still in force for Isreal, the Jewish peoples!

What is a halve truth?

It is a full untruth.

Now therefore indeed correct, that the LORD GOD never changed, as it was meant God gave Himself to only Israel, for He covenanted Himself forever in covenant with Israel only and is still in Covenant with only Israel.

But the Israel of God is not <the Jewish peoples>, for God’s Israel is from all peoples!

Exactly the same with “the day The Seventh Day Sabbath OF THE LORD GOD”!

Only question is, are YOU of God’s Israel?

Then the Seventh Day Sabbath OF THE LORD GOD is also for you.

But it’s strange you don’t want the Sabbath OF THE LORD GOD; you want your own—your Sunday for to worship.

Then have it! Only don’t say it is the LORD GOD’S day for to worship Him; because it is not!

 

[The Biblicist]

Before you ever listen to the biased translators who wangle the Scriptures to suit their Sunday observance taken for granted for God's Word again, here is Colossians 2 from verse 12 to verse 19 with a few omissions of things that do not for my purpose of quoting make any difference ...

... it is a literal translation--to make sense as literal as you will get ...


12 While dead in your sins God who raised Christ from the dead forgave you all trespasses having quickened you together with Him. Nailing it to the cross and removing it altogether, Christ blotted out the damning law against us; and putting off and ruining the rulers and the authorities [of darkness 1:13], He publicly held them up to shame, triumphing over them in it. [If ye then be raised with Christ 3:1], THEN THEREFORE, don’t you let yourselves be judged and condemned by anyone (of the world 2:8, 20) in your eating and drinking or with regard to your eating and drinking of feast, whether of month’s or of Sabbaths’—all which shadows forth what soon must be, the BODY and SUBSTANCE OF CHRIST!
Let no man not holding to the Head [but] puffed up by his fleshly mind, who conceitedly meddles in what he knows nothing about (the mystery which is Christ 1:28), with his pretentious humility and angelic worship beguile you (with enticing words 2:4) of your reward.
Because holding to the Head nourishment being ministered, all the Body (of Christ’s Own 1:18) by joints and bands [of faith 2:12 Hosea 11:4; peace Ephesians 4:3; and charity Colossians 3:14], and knit together (in love 2:2), will grow with the growth of God.

PS
How would you apply this Scripture in favour of Sunday observance, now?

and

How would you apply this Scripture against Sabbath observance, now?

This text repudiates the Old Covenant application of the ten commandments with ceremonial and civil applications entirely. In other words, the WHOLE COVENANT with ALL OF ITS LAWS (moral, ceremonial, civil) is completely abolished AS A COVENANT keeping observance.

The Moral law is eternal but its administration under the Old Covenant is abolished.

Under the New Covenant, the moral law is written upon the new heart IN PRINCIPLE FORM ONLY = love. That is, the new heart is motivated to glorify God in thoughts, words and actions and love others as yourself.

The Sabbath law is applied under the New Covenant on the first day of the week as anticipated under the Messianic feasts sabbaths (Lev. 23), and messianic prophecies (Psa. 118:24; Acts 4:10).

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

This text repudiates the Old Covenant application of the ten commandments with ceremonial and civil applications entirely. In other words, the WHOLE COVENANT with ALL OF ITS LAWS (moral, ceremonial, civil) is completely abolished AS A COVENANT keeping observance.

The Moral law is eternal but its administration under the Old Covenant is abolished.

Under the New Covenant, the moral law is written upon the new heart IN PRINCIPLE FORM ONLY = love. That is, the new heart is motivated to glorify God in thoughts, words and actions and love others as yourself.

The Sabbath law is applied under the New Covenant on the first day of the week as anticipated under the Messianic feasts sabbaths (Lev. 23), and messianic prophecies (Psa. 118:24; Acts 4:10).

Everything you say between

<This text> .... and ... <The Sabbath law is applied under the New Covenant on the first day of the week as anticipated under the Messianic feasts sabbaths (Lev. 23), and messianic prophecies (Psa. 118:24; Acts 4:10)>, is true.

But not all is true what you say,

<This text>, Colossians 2 above, has NO bearing whatsoever on
<… the Old Covenant application of the ten commandments with ceremonial and civil applications> or with <the WHOLE COVENANT with ALL OF ITS LAWS (moral, ceremonial, civil) … completely abolished AS A COVENANT keeping bservance.>

<This text>, Colossians 2, speaks for itself and on to what it applies.

Not all what you say,

<Under the New Covenant, the moral law is written upon the new heart IN PRINCIPLE FORM ONLY = love. That is, the new heart is motivated to glorify God in thoughts, words and actions and love others as yourself>, is true

because it was EQUALLY true in the Old Dispensation or Old Ministration.

By the way there is no such thing as <the Old Covenant> of God's! 'The Old Covenant' has always been the 'covenant' MAN undertook with God.

And this,
<The Sabbath law is applied under the New Covenant on the first day of the week as anticipated under the Messianic feasts sabbaths (Lev. 23), and messianic prophecies (Psa. 118:24; Acts 4:10)>,
purely are your own arrogations.

Have you ever paid attention to certain things that really were <anticipated under the Messianic feasts sabbaths (Lev. 23), and messianic prophecies>, like Jesus' BONE-Day of his Burial?

No, you never have.

Well, Jesus' BONE-Day-Burial DESTROYS every vain notion ever so assuming of yours here.

 

[BobRyan]

The bible doesn't say if he did or not, but I find interesting that for centuries after his death, no names were used for days of the week except for three of them - they are: the first day of the week, day of preparation, and sabbath.

But in the Bible you find names given to only 2 of them.

The Sabbath - (also called the holy Day of the Lord Is 58:13 and in Mark 2:28 Christ is Lord of the Sabbath).

And the Friday - the preparation day - the day before the Sabbath.

(there is no text NT or OT saying that week-day 1 is either Lord's Day or Sabbath, or the Holy Day of the Lord).

But for the Baptist Confession of Faith - the 4th Commandment Sabbath - is said to remain from the days of Adam - to this very day, though they accept the extra-biblical change attempted by man - made to God's fourth commandment after the cross -

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

The only way you can BE righteous is not by following The Law... for after 1 sin, that way to being righteous is cut off from you. The only way to be righteous and have your righteousness surpass the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees is through the righteousness that comes through faith. Then it isn't based on your own righteousness, but on the righteousness of Christ.

So then all of The Law - circumcision, sabbaths, etc - falls away because you are not justified by your own righteousness anyway.

That is also true of "Love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18

and of

"Love God with all your heart" Deut 6:5.

The lost can not obey the moral law of God - so well that they become saved.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[The Biblicist]

Everything you say between

<This text> .... and ... <The Sabbath law is applied under the New Covenant on the first day of the week as anticipated under the Messianic feasts sabbaths (Lev. 23), and messianic prophecies (Psa. 118:24; Acts 4:10)>, is true.

That confession destroys Saturdaism altogether.

But not all is true what you say,

<This text>, Colossians 2 above, has NO bearing whatsoever on
<… the Old Covenant application of the ten commandments with ceremonial and civil applications> or with <the WHOLE COVENANT with ALL OF ITS LAWS (moral, ceremonial, civil) … completely abolished AS A COVENANT keeping bservance.>

Wrong! The ten commandment were given in "handwriting." After the first tablets were destroyed, they were again given in "handwriting" on stone and then two more times in handwriting on skins, parchment etc. (Ex. Deut). The "handwriting" refers to the whole Mosaic Law that Israel entered into God in covenant. Israel did enter into covenant with God - Deut. 5:29

Not all what you say,

<Under the New Covenant, the moral law is written upon the new heart IN PRINCIPLE FORM ONLY = love. That is, the new heart is motivated to glorify God in thoughts, words and actions and love others as yourself>, is true

because it was EQUALLY true in the Old Dispensation or Old Ministration.

The New Covenant PUBLIC administration is one thing, but the New Covenant redemption existed from the garden under the "everlasting covenant" (Heb. 13:20).

By the way there is no such thing as <the Old Covenant> of God's! 'The Old Covenant' has always been the 'covenant' MAN undertook with God.

Wrong again! Hebrews 8-9, Gal. 3:19 demonstrate it was a covenant of God , ordained by God and mediated through angels between God and man.

And this,
<The Sabbath law is applied under the New Covenant on the first day of the week as anticipated under the Messianic feasts sabbaths (Lev. 23), and messianic prophecies (Psa. 118:24; Acts 4:10)>,
purely are your own arrogations.

Wrong again, and seriously wrong! The only arrogance here is your own ignorance of God's Word.

Have you ever paid attention to certain things that really were <anticipated under the Messianic feasts sabbaths (Lev. 23), and messianic prophecies>, like Jesus' BONE-Day of his Burial?

No, you never have.

Well, Jesus' BONE-Day-Burial DESTROYS every vain notion ever so assuming of yours here.

I read your twisted logic and mental gymnastics and reject it. You can't see the forest for the tree in front of your nose. The repeated first, eighth, fifteenth, twenty-second day Sabbaths are the forest you can't see. The fiftith year of Jubilee you can't see as the Pentecost is modeled after the fiftith year jubilee Sabbath and both occur after normal seven sevens of Sabbatical week (days, years). Get the Jewish application out from the front of your nose where you can objectively intepret the clear and explicit and repeated FIRST DAY of the week Sabbath pictured all through the Messanic Feasts.

 

[BobRyan]

Originally Posted by Gerhard Ebersoehn
But not all is true what you say,

<This text>, Colossians 2 above, has NO bearing whatsoever on
<… the Old Covenant application of the ten commandments with ceremonial and civil applications> or with <the WHOLE COVENANT with ALL OF ITS LAWS (moral, ceremonial, civil) … completely abolished AS A COVENANT keeping bservance.>

Wrong! The ten commandment were given in "handwriting." After the first tablets were destroyed, they were again given in "handwriting" on stone and then two more times in handwriting on skins, parchment etc. (Ex. Deut). The "handwriting" refers to the whole Mosaic Law that Israel entered into God in covenant. Israel did enter into covenant with God - Deut. 5:29 .

While anyone who reads these threads can attest - I agree with very little of what GE says on these boards - however in this specific point - between GE and Biblicist - the Bible does not make the case that Biblicist would suppose.

While it is true that the moral law of God (including the ten commandments) is the law that defines sin (1John 3:4 ) even in the NT - it is not true that the moral law of God was nailed to the cross.

A point that even the Baptist Confession of Faith seems to get straight.

The handwriting is in fact the sentence written against us - the wages of our sins - the debt owed - this is what is paid at the cross.

For the sinner to survive either the Law of God must be abolished - or if it is to be upheld - then it's demands must be met - thus establishing the Law - and paying the debt owed according to the Law of God.

The debt is paid by Christ - at the cross - and it is this debt - that consists of handwriting - against us - in the books of record - defining the debt owed in each case. The second death.

It is a "certificate of debt" that is paid at the cross - it is not the Law of God being destroyed.

NASB Col 2 -
14 having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

 

[BobRyan]

The Sabbath law is applied under the New Covenant on the first day of the week as anticipated under the Messianic feasts sabbaths (Lev. 23), and messianic prophecies (Psa. 118:24; Acts 4:10).

There is not a single text in all of scripture saying that the 4th commandment is to be edited/altered/changed to point to another day - other than the 7th day. Not Ps 118, not Acts 3 and certainly not Lev 23.

Making stuff up may be the only way to bend the 4th commandment so that it speaks of another day - but Jesus already addressed that idea in Mark 7:6-13 saying that editing/downsizing/side-stepping the Commandments of God - does not work.

However - a point for all to note - so far I thought Biblicist was at war against God's Sabbath commandment - are you now claiming to keep the Sabbath Commandment? the fourth commandment? (though edited-bent-wrenched to point to week-day 1??)

in Christ,

Bob

 

[The Biblicist]

While it is true that the moral law of God (including the ten commandments) is the law that defines sin (1John 3:4 ) even in the NT - it is not true that the moral law of God was nailed to the cross.

It most certainly is true! The moral law as contained in the old Covenant was abolished in its complete administration.

A point that even the Baptist Confession of Faith seems to get straight.

You don't understand the Baptist Confession and you are cherry picking. When both articles on "Justification" and "the Law" in the London Confession and New Hampshire Confession are considered together their true position on the Law is seen and Ryan's perversion of their position is manifested clearly.

In regard to justification they believed the Law was abolished and played absolutely no role in justification of the believer. In regard to a "rule of life" or righteous standard they believed the moral law is eternal. If Ryan says otherwise he is perverting their words and meaning.

The handwriting is in fact the sentence written against us - the wages of our sins - the debt owed - this is what is paid at the cross.

It is plural not singular "of ordinances." The "handwriting" refers to the whole Mosaic Law under the Old Covenant Administration - moral, civil, ceremonial. It is abolished in regard the Mosaic administration.

For the sinner to survive either the Law of God must be abolished - or if it is to be upheld - then it's demands must be met - thus establishing the Law - and paying the debt owed according to the Law of God.

Christ satisfied ALL the demands of ALL the Law (moral, ceremonial, civil) against the child of God and that is why we are "DEAD TO THE LAW" by the body of Christ. We are no longer under its jurisdiction, which means it has no condemning power over us, it can make no more demands of us in God's court of law.

The debt is paid by Christ - at the cross - and it is this debt - that consists of handwriting - against us - in the books of record - defining the debt owed in each case. The second death.

The second death cannot be abolished without abolishing all legal demands and legal jurisdiction that would incurr the second death. We are "dead to the law" and all of its legal demands (7:1-5) in regard to both justification (Rom. 7:6-13) and sanctification (Rom. 7:14-25) as the Person and work of Jesus Christ satisifed ALL of its legal demands (Rom. 8:1-3) and the Person and work of the Holy Spirit will sanctify us progressively and ultimately in glorification.


NASB Col 2 -
14 having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. [/QUOTE]

 

[The Biblicist]

There is not a single text in all of scripture saying that the 4th commandment is to be edited/altered/changed to point to another day - other than the 7th day. Not Ps 118, not Acts 3 and certainly not Lev 23.

Making stuff up may be the only way to bend the 4th commandment so that it speaks of another day - but Jesus already addressed that idea in Mark 7:6-13 saying that editing/downsizing/side-stepping the Commandments of God - does not work.

However - a point for all to note - so far I thought Biblicist was at war against God's Sabbath commandment - are you now claiming to keep the Sabbath Commandment? the fourth commandment? (though edited-bent-wrenched to point to week-day 1??)

in Christ,

Bob

You don't understand the Sabbath command. It cannot be interpreted to contradict God's own use and application of Sabbath law and that is exactly what GE and you do. The Sabbath law is based upon the creation Sabbath which identifies with both uses of the term "yom" (Gen. 2:3,4). No insertion "of the week" can be found in the creation Sabbath law or the fourth commandment.

Hence, the Sabbath law can be applied and is applied by God to different "yom" than the seventh yom "of the week (Lev. 23). It is applied to a different "yom" than a twenty-four hour period "yom" (Lev. 25). It is applied outside of a "week" of yom whether 24 hour or longer period (1st, 8th, 15th, 22nd, 50th).

In the Messianic feasts the Sabbath law is consistently applied to the first "yom" of the the week 24 hour and longer period as that period commemorates a BETTER creation and a BETTER work of redemption than did the Sabbath "yom" under the Old Covenant.

 

[BobRyan]

Originally Posted by BobRyan
There is not a single text in all of scripture saying that the 4th commandment is to be edited/altered/changed to point to another day - other than the 7th day. Not Ps 118, not Acts 3 and certainly not Lev 23.

Making stuff up may be the only way to bend the 4th commandment so that it speaks of another day - but Jesus already addressed that idea in Mark 7:6-13 saying that editing/downsizing/side-stepping the Commandments of God - does not work.

However - a point for all to note - so far I thought Biblicist was at war against God's Sabbath commandment - are you now claiming to keep the Sabbath Commandment? the fourth commandment? (though edited-bent-wrenched to point to week-day 1??)

You don't understand the Sabbath command.

You did well not to quote the text while making stuff up.

8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work,

10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates.

11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Recall that even the Baptist Confession of Faith admits that it is Gen 2:3 that establishes the 4th commandment.

It cannot be interpreted to contradict God's own use and application of Sabbath law.

You need to note that point.

Hence, the Sabbath law can be applied and is applied by God to different "yom"

In Lev 23 various annual Sabbaths are listed - not ONE of the annual Sabbaths are a replacement or alternative or take-your-pick of the actual 4th commandment nor can they be used to bend-wrench the 4th commandment so as to make it point to something that is not the 7th day.

In Lev 23 the text starts off with the weekly Sabbath and then mentions annual holy days, feasts, Sabbaths. Obviously none of them change/alter/edit the fourth commandment as given by God as we see all of them listed.

As God says in Exodus 16 "tomorrow is THE Sabbath"

Obviously.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[The Biblicist]

Originally Posted by BobRyan
There is not a single text in all of scripture saying that the 4th commandment is to be edited/altered/changed to point to another day - other than the 7th day. Not Ps 118, not Acts 3 and certainly not Lev 23.

Making stuff up may be the only way to bend the 4th commandment so that it speaks of another day - but Jesus already addressed that idea in Mark 7:6-13 saying that editing/downsizing/side-stepping the Commandments of God - does not work.

The Creation sabbath command and the fourth commandment only require a seven day pattern but never the seventh day "OF THE WEEK." The pattern is six working days followed by the seventh day which precedes six more working days. In regard to application it can be placed anywhere within our calendar that God sees fit and it is clear from Leviticus 23 he can place the Sabbath law on the first day of the month which followed six preceding days and preceds six working days followed by another seventh day sabbath - none of which fall on the seventh day "OF THE WEEK.'

However - a point for all to note - so far I thought Biblicist was at war against God's Sabbath commandment - are you now claiming to keep the Sabbath Commandment? the fourth commandment? (though edited-bent-wrenched to point to week-day 1??)

You did well not to quote the text while making stuff up.

8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work,

10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates.

11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Recall that even the Baptist Confession of Faith admits that it is Gen 2:3 that establishes the 4th commandment.

It cannot be interpreted to contradict God's own use and application of Sabbath law.

You need to note that point.


In Lev 23 various annual Sabbaths are listed - not ONE of the annual Sabbaths are a replacement or alternative or take-your-pick of the actual 4th commandment nor can they be used to bend-wrench the 4th commandment so as to make it point to something that is not the 7th day.

In Lev 23 the text starts off with the weekly Sabbath and then mentions annual holy days, feasts, Sabbaths. Obviously none of them change/alter/edit the fourth commandment as given by God as we see all of them listed.

As God says in Exodus 16 "tomorrow is THE Sabbath"

Obviously.

in Christ,

Bob[/QUOTE]

 

[The Biblicist]

Originally Posted by BobRyan
There is not a single text in all of scripture saying that the 4th commandment is to be edited/altered/changed to point to another day - other than the 7th day. Not Ps 118, not Acts 3 and certainly not Lev 23.

Making stuff up may be the only way to bend the 4th commandment so that it speaks of another day - but Jesus already addressed that idea in Mark 7:6-13 saying that editing/downsizing/side-stepping the Commandments of God - does not work.

The Creation sabbath command and the fourth commandment only require a seven day pattern but never the seventh day "OF THE WEEK." The pattern is six working days followed by the seventh day which precedes six more working days. In regard to application it can be placed anywhere within our calendar that God sees fit and it is clear from Leviticus 23 he can place the Sabbath law on the first day of the month which followed six preceding days and preceds six working days followed by another seventh day sabbath - none of which fall on the seventh day "OF THE WEEK.'

However - a point for all to note - so far I thought Biblicist was at war against God's Sabbath commandment - are you now claiming to keep the Sabbath Commandment? the fourth commandment? (though edited-bent-wrenched to point to week-day 1??)

My position has NEVER changed. You just don't read too well. Remember, I told you that my position is reflected in the two Baptist Confessions. Under teh New Covenant PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION it was applied to the first day "of the week" while previous to this administration it was applied by the Jews to the seventh day "of the week" but the command itself NEVER demanded application to any day "of the week" but was merely a pattern of seven days, six working days followed and preceded by a seventh Sabbath.

8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work,

10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates.

11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Where is "of the week" bob????? Not there!

Recall that even the Baptist Confession of Faith admits that it is Gen 2:3 that establishes the 4th commandment.

It certainly does, but where is "of the week" in Genesis 2:3-4??? Not there!

In Lev 23 various annual Sabbaths are listed - not ONE of the annual Sabbaths are a replacement or alternative or take-your-pick of the actual 4th commandment nor can they be used to bend-wrench the 4th commandment so as to make it point to something that is not the 7th day.

Who is talking about a "replacement"? Leviticus 23 demonstrates that the Sabbath law NEVER contained any "of the week" Sabbath command but was only a Seven day (yom) pattern where six days preceded and followed a "seventh" day (yom). The "yom" can be 24 hour period (Gen. 2:3) or it can be more than a twenty four hour period "yom" (Gen. 2:4) and God applies it to BOTH (Lev. 23, 25). Periods of 24 hours and periods of weeks of days, months, years. He applies it to the first day "yom" as in the 50th year that follows the 49th "yom" periods of seven times seven "yom" which are not 24 hour periods but 360 times seven "yom" periods.

Your restrictive interpetation of the Sabbath law condemns God's own application and use of it to greater periods than 24 hours (Gen. 2:4; Lev. 23,25). Your restrictive interpetation ADDS TO SCRIPTURE what is not there. There is no "of the week" found in the Sabbath Law ANYWHERE in Scripture. It is merely the priniciple of six working "yom" followed and preceded by a "seventh" "yom" of rest. The "yom" could be a 24 hour period (Gen. 2:3) or it could be a month, six years or forty-nine year period. This pattern of seven could be started ANYWHERE in the calendar as you admit to the yearly calendar where it does not fall most of the time on the seventh day "of the week" in Leviticus 23 or Leviticus 24. Your strict limited interpetation of the Sabbath Law will not fit these applications but contradict them. However, my interpretation FITS every use that God applies the Sabbath Law even when it is applied by Jews to the seventh day "of the week." There is nothing wrong with applying it to the seventh day "of the week" unless you restrict it to that then it is wrong because it violates the Biblical principle and application of the Sabbath Law.

 

[The Biblicist]

Let me make this as clear as I can.

1. You will NEVER find the words "of the week" in any account of the creation Sabbath law anywhere in Scripture - NEVER!

2. SDA and other Saturdarians use logical inference to justify restricting the Sabbath law to the seventh day "of the week." There rationale goes something like this. Our week is based upon the first seven days of creation, therefore, since the seventh day in creation is the Sabbath it follows that the Sabbath is the seventh day "of the week." This is faulty logic as I will point out shortly.

3. The Sabbath day Law PERMITS such an application but cannot be restricted to such an application without self-contradiction.

4. What we have in Genesis 1-2 is a PATTERN of seven days. Six days preceding the seventh day Sabbath. This PATTERN can be abitrarily inserted at any place within any human calendar by God and made permenant as it is in Leviticus 23 where it does not fall on the seventh day "of the week."

5. Furthermore, the Hebrew "yom" is used in direct connection with God's work of creation in TWO different senses. It is used to describe 24 hour periods (Gen. 2:3) but it is also used to decribe the whole period of HIs creative work that covers more than 24 hours (Gen. 2:4).

6. Likewise, in Leviticus 23-25 God applies the Sabbath law to BOTH types of "yom" (literal 24 hour periods and periods longer than 24 hours = month, years and perhaps even millenniums (Lev. 25; 2 Pet. 3:8).

7. It is not wrong for the Sabbath to be applied to the seventh day "of the week" but it is wrong to demand it is restricted to such as that restriction has no Biblical basis and contradicts God's own use and application of the Sabbath Law.

8. It is now wrong to apply it to the seventh day "of the week" as it has been applied by God to the first day "of the week" first by type in the Messianic feasts of Lev. 23 and Lev. 25 and by Messianic prophecy (Psa. 118:20-24 with Acts 4:10-11; Mk. 16:9; heb. 4:2-11) and by Messianic example (Jn. 20; Acts 20:7; 1 Cor. 16:1-2; Rev. 1:10) and by historic custom consistenly after the aposolic age right up to BEFORE Constantine.

9. The "first day of the week" is preceded by six working days, making the "first day of the week" the seventh day Sabbath in that PATTERN of seven.

10. The permenant application to the "first day of the week" is a BETTER Sabbath day observance because it commemorates the greater and finished work of redemption wiht the resurrection of Christ and a BETTER sinless creation of a new heaven and earth to come that begins in the EIGHTH and eternal age to come.

11. It is BETTER because it is without all the ceremonial laws and prohibitions under the Mosaic legislation.

12. It is BETTER because it is entered spritiually right now by faith in the gospel (Heb. 4:2-4) but will be entered into by body and soul in the new heaven and earth to come (Heb. 4:11, 14).

13. It is BETTER because it commemorates a GREATER and BETTER work than the now sin cursed creation.

 

[BobRyan]

The consistent theme in Gen 2:3 and Exodus 20:8-11 as referenced by the Baptist Confession of Faith -- and also Lev 23 - is that

1. God is the one that decides if a day will be honored as a holy day of worship to God 2. He is the one that blesses and sanctifies and selects the day such that mankind is obligated to honor it.
3. God does not edit the day selected.



And in Mark 7 God condemns the idea of religious leaders editing/changing/setting-aside even one of His Commandments.
6 He answered and said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:
‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
7 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’

8 For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men —the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do.”
9 He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition.

10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’

11 But you say, ‘If a man says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is Corban”—’ (that is, a gift to God), 12 then you no longer let him do anything for his father or his mother,

13 making the word of God of no effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do.”

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THE FOURTH Commandment - as God gave it in stone - not as man would like to have edited it.

Exodus 20
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates.
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

1. Blessed not merely the "idea of a Sabbath" but specifically "THE Sabbath DAY" itself.
2. "The seventh day IS THE Sabbath of the Lord your God" - not "The First DAY is the Sabbath of the Lord your God" nor even "any day you select out of seven is the Sabbath of the Lord your God"

Mark 7 - 13 making the word of God of no effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do.”

Recall that even the Baptist Confession of Faith admits that it is Gen 2:3 that establishes the 4th commandment.

 

[BobRyan]

9. The "first day of the week" is preceded by six working days, making the "first day of the week" the seventh day Sabbath in that PATTERN of seven.

That is a kind of nonsense that cannot be inserted into the 4th commandment "Six days shall you labor - but the FIRST day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God" as IF the pattern in Gen 2:3, and Ex 20:8-11 was a focus on the FIRST day - as the day of rest.

How sad that your sacrifice-all to edit the Word of God in favor of week day 1 - should go to such lengths.

How instructive then that NO text in the Bible says "FIRST DAY is the Sabbath of the Lord your God - then work for six days" as the weekly Sabbath commandment.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

2. SDA and other Saturdarians use logical inference to justify restricting the Sabbath law to the seventh day "of the week." There rationale goes something like this. Our week is based upon the first seven days of creation, therefore, since the seventh day in creation is the Sabbath it follows that the Sabbath is the seventh day "of the week." This is faulty logic as I will point out shortly.

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All mankind - even the Baptist Confession of Faith - admit that the 4th Commandment - as given in the TEN Commandments is for the weekly Sabbath and not any other. The OTHER Sabbaths given in Lev 23 are not more 4th commandments - they are OTHER Sabbaths and cannot be conflated into the 4th commandment.

Each stands on its own - having its own origin and speaking to the events specific to the type of Sabbath that it is.

Obviously.

So obvious - that the Baptist Confession of Faith distinguishes between the ceremonial annual Sabbaths - vs the moral law of God - the TEN Commandments and the still-valid weekly Sabbath.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

The Creation sabbath command and the fourth commandment only require a seven day pattern but never the seventh day "OF THE WEEK." The pattern is six working days followed by the seventh day which precedes six more working days.

You did well not to quote the text while making stuff up.

Gen 2:1-3
2 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.


Ex 16
23 And he said unto them, This is that which the Lord hath said,

Tomorrow is the rest of the holy Sabbath unto the Lord: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.



Ex 20
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates.
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.



Recall that even the Baptist Confession of Faith admits that it is Gen 2:3 that establishes the 4th commandment.

It cannot be interpreted to contradict God's own use and application of Sabbath law.

You need to note that point.


In Lev 23 various annual Sabbaths are listed - not ONE of the annual Sabbaths are a replacement or alternative or take-your-pick of the actual 4th commandment nor can they be used to bend-wrench the 4th commandment so as to make it point to something that is not the 7th day.

In Lev 23 the text starts off with the weekly Sabbath and then mentions annual holy days, feasts, Sabbaths. Obviously none of them change/alter/edit the fourth commandment as given by God as we see all of them listed.

As God says in Exodus 16 "tomorrow is THE Sabbath"

21 And they gathered it every morning, every man according to his eating: and when the sun waxed hot, it melted.
22 And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for one man: and all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses.
23 And he said unto them, This is that which the Lord hath said,

Tomorrow is the rest of the holy Sabbath unto the Lord: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

10. The permenant application to the "first day of the week" is a BETTER Sabbath day observance because it commemorates the greater and finished work of redemption wiht the resurrection of Christ and a BETTER sinless creation of a new heaven and earth to come that begins in the EIGHTH and eternal age to come.

11. It is BETTER because it is without all the ceremonial laws and prohibitions under the Mosaic legislation.

12. It is BETTER because it is entered spritiually right now by faith in the gospel (Heb. 4:2-4) but will be entered into by body and soul in the new heaven and earth to come (Heb. 4:11, 14).

13. It is BETTER because it commemorates a GREATER and BETTER work than the now sin cursed creation.

By contrast

1. Even the Baptist Confession of Faith affirms that the TEN Commandments with the FOURTH Commandment as God gave it - in Eden is moral law - not ceremonial law.

2. Christ already condemned the idea of man made upstaging of the Commandments of God in Mark 7.

Mark 7 God condemns the idea of religious leaders editing/changing/setting-aside even one of His Commandments.


6 He answered and said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:
‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
7 And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men —the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do.”
9 He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition.
10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’
11 But you say, ‘If a man says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is Corban”—’ (that is, a gift to God), 12 then you no longer let him do anything for his father or his mother,
13 making the word of God of no effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do.”

An example of this is found here

8. It is now wrong to apply it to the seventh day "of the week" as it has been applied by God to the first day "of the week" ...

9. The "first day of the week" is preceded by six working days, making the "first day of the week" the seventh day Sabbath in that PATTERN of seven.

10. The permenant application to the "first day of the week" is a BETTER Sabbath day observance because it commemorates the greater and finished work of redemption

13. It is BETTER because it commemorates a GREATER and BETTER work than the now sin cursed creation.

By contrast - God said -

Gen 2:1-3
2 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.


Ex 16
23 And he said unto them, This is that which the Lord hath said,

Tomorrow is the rest of the holy Sabbath unto the Lord: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.



Ex 20
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates.
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.



in Christ,

Bob