The Soul, the Aeolian Body, Death, Mistranslation of the Word Spirit, Identity of the Airflow of God

[HankD]

Did you not read anything I said? I explained the true reason why "Elohim" is plural, which you just implied I denied. Stop skimming and read so you can understand and also stop misquoting me.

I did read it teknon.Elohim is plural not because angeles were present with God but because of the plurality in and of itself in genesis and thousands of other places where there is not one word concerning angels. If there were then the Hebrew syntax would have been different and Elohim would have not been affected.

Elohim is used in thousands of places where no angels are indicated including Genesis chapters 1 through 3.

Even in the SHEMA Elohenu is plural.

Elohim is plural in and of itself as a stand alone noun.

 

[teknonoftheos]

I did read it teknon.Elohim is plural not because angeles were present with God but because of the plurality in and of itself in genesis and thousands of other places where there is not one word concerning angels. If there were then the Hebrew syntax would have been different and Elohim would have not been affected.

Elohim is used in thousands of places where no angels are indicated including Genesis chapters 1 through 3.

Even in the SHEMA Elohenu is plural.

Elohim is plural in and of itself as a stand alone noun.

Yehovah, which is the name that appears in Genesis 2, which is rendered in English incorrectly as LORD, IS THE NAME OF THE ANGEL, hence,

There the angel Yehovah appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush. Moses saw that though the bush was on fire it did not burn up. So Moses thought, “I will go over and see this strange sight–why the bush does not burn up.”… He said. “Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is set-apart ground… Yehovah… This is my name…
(Exodus 3:2-15 [MODIFIED-NIV])

 

[HankD]

Yehovah, which is the name that appears in Genesis 2, which is rendered in English incorrectly as LORD, IS THE NAME OF THE ANGEL, hence,

There the angel Yehovah appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush. Moses saw that though the bush was on fire it did not burn up. So Moses thought, “I will go over and see this strange sight–why the bush does not burn up.”… He said. “Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is set-apart ground… Yehovah… This is my name…
(Exodus 3:2-15 [MODIFIED-NIV])

The phrase here is MALAK ELOHIM. In this case yes, Malak is the protective being to present God to a mortal being.
A mortal man cannot look at God and live. Malak in this case would be an angel, a cherub, seraphim or even the pre-incarnate Yeshua known at that time as the Logos. That would be my choice.

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

 

[teknonoftheos]

The phrase here is MALAK ELOHIM. In this case yes, Malak is the protective being to present God to a mortal being.
A mortal man cannot look at God and live. Malak in this case would be an angel, a cherub, seraphim or even the pre-incarnate Yeshua known at that time as the Logos. That would be my choice.

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

The "the protective being"? It was an angel that appeared to Moses, whose name was Yehovah, even the apostles confirm this very truth,

He was in the assembly in the wilderness, with the angel who spoke to him on Mount Sinai, and with our ancestors; and he received living words to pass on to us. (Acts 7:38 [NIV])

you who have received the law that was given through angels but have not obeyed it.” (Acts 7:53 [NIV])

For since the message spoken through angels was binding, and every violation and disobedience received its just punishment, (Hebrews 2:2 [NIV])

Greek word "aggelos", which means ANGEL. How much longer will you continue hardening your heart and resisting the truth? Believe what I am telling you, it is the truth, which is why it is supported by scripture. Everything you have been taught is a lie. It is time you stop believing these lies, and come to the true knowledge of Yeshuah.

 

[HankD]

The "the protective being"? It was an angel that appeared to Moses, whose name was Yehovah, even the apostles confirm this very truth,

He was in the assembly in the wilderness, with the angel who spoke to him on Mount Sinai, and with our ancestors; and he received living words to pass on to us. (Acts 7:38 [NIV])

you who have received the law that was given through angels but have not obeyed it.” (Acts 7:53 [NIV])

For since the message spoken through angels was binding, and every violation and disobedience received its just punishment, (Hebrews 2:2 [NIV])

Greek word "aggelos", which means ANGEL. How much longer will you continue hardening your heart and resisting the truth? Believe what I am telling you, it is the truth, which is why it is supported by scripture. Everything you have been taught is a lie. It is time you stop believing these lies, and come to the true knowledge of Yeshuah.

Now it is you who are not reading my answers correctly.

I already said it is a compound connective word in the Hebrew. You look like a person who can read Hebrew. Go check it. Exodus 3:2ff

The phrase here is MALAK ELOHIM. There are two beings here MALAK and ELOHIM. MALAK is a functional title of a being which both projects the message of ELOHIM and protects the life of the recipient, the receiver of the message.

MALAK being functional may be an angelic being but I believe it is the reincarnate Yeshua.

The Greek word aggelos does not always mean angel:

John the Baptist sent out some of his disciples to ask Jesus some question and when they were through:

Luke 7:24 And when the messengers of John were departed, he began to speak unto the people concerning John, What went ye out into the wilderness for to see? A reed shaken with the wind?

messengers is aggelos.

 

[teknonoftheos]

Now it is you who are not reading my answers correctly.

I already said it is a compound connective word in the Hebrew. You look like a person who can read Hebrew. Go check it. Exodus 3:2ff

The phrase here is MALAK ELOHIM. There are two beings here MALAK and ELOHIM. MALAK is a functional title of a being which both projects the message of ELOHIM and protects the life of the recipient, the receiver of the message.

MALAK being functional may be an angelic being but I believe it is the reincarnate Yeshua.

The Greek word aggelos does not always mean angel:

John the Baptist sent out some of his disciples to ask Jesus some question and when they were through:

Luke 7:24 And when the messengers of John were departed, he began to speak unto the people concerning John, What went ye out into the wilderness for to see? A reed shaken with the wind?

messengers is aggelos.

But we know the messenger that appeared to Moses was no ordinary messenger among men, it was a messenger that was able to transform into fire, an angel.

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

John 16
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

In verse 13 the Spirit of truth - "the Spirit" is neuter as it should be because that is its Koine Greek root gender.

However you will see that Jesus (The Lord of everything including language) in this case uses MASCULINE pronouns for the Spirit of God. He even uses the demonstrative nominative MASCULINE singular pronoun ekeinos.(himself) a reflexive proving that the Spirit is a person.

Verse 13 forever proves without a doubt that "the Spirit of truth" is a person.

Winner.

Irrefutable proof that the Holy Spirt is a person.

 

[HankD]

But we know the messenger that appeared to Moses was no ordinary messenger among men, it was a messenger that was able to transform into fire, an angel.

I believe it was more than an angel, but if you are right its an unusual usage of the Hebrew word Elohim.
Out of the message that was given to Moses it had to be a message of God Himself saying tell them that I AM sent you.

I AM is the core of the tetragrammaton YHWH a concatenation of the three tenses of the first person verb - to be - I Was, I AM, I will be



Sometimes expanded as to the Formula in the Revelation
Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

This proves that Jesus Christ is God Almighty the Great I AM.

 

[teknonoftheos]

I believe it was more than an angel, but if you are right its an unusual usage of the Hebrew word Elohim.
Out of the message that was given to Moses it had to be a message of God Himself saying tell them that I AM sent you.

I AM is the core of the tetragrammaton YHWH a concatenation of the three tenses of the first person verb - to be - I Was, I AM, I will be

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Sometimes expanded as to the Formula in the Revelation
Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

This proves that Jesus Christ is God Almighty the Great I AM.

"I AM" has a very simple meaning, and it is indeed what you said, "is, was, will be". Yeshuah satisfies that definition, because he was in the beginning, he currently is, and is coming. The angel also satisfies that definition, because he was, he currently is, and then also came down to deliver his people from the Egyptians. And of course, the Father also satisfied that definition, because he was, he currently is, and is coming also, because his presence will descend unto the new earth, and he will live among us. Yehovah is indeed an angel, because through him came the old covenant that foreshadowed the new and greater covenant that was to come through Yeshuah. The first was merely just a shadow, the second was the reality. Greater honor is given unto the name of Yeshuah, than unto the name of Yehovah. This is why the name of Yehovah is no longer used to worship God, because a new and greater than has been given unto us to worship God, the name of Yeshuah, which in fact, includes the name of Yehovah in his own name, because Yeshuah means, "Yehovah delivers". Read my study on the name of God here, The True Pronunciation of YHVH and the Name of the Messiah | Wisdom of God . And you will also learn about the true pronunciation of the tetragrammaton, which is "Yehovah".

 

[HankD]

"I AM" has a very simple meaning, and it is indeed what you said, "is, was, will be". Yeshuah satisfies that definition, because he was in the beginning, he currently is, and is coming. The angel also satisfies that definition, because he was, he currently is, and then also came down to deliver his people from the Egyptians. And of course, the Father also satisfied that definition, because he was, he currently is, and is coming also, because his presence will descend unto the new earth, and he will live among us. Yehovah is indeed an angel, because through him came the old covenant that foreshadowed the new and greater covenant that was to come through Yeshuah. The first was merely just a shadow, the second was the reality. Greater honor is given unto the name of Yeshuah, than unto the name of Yehovah. This is why the name of Yehovah is no longer used to worship God, because a new and greater than has been given unto us to worship God, the name of Yeshuah, which in fact, includes the name of Yehovah in his own name, because Yeshuah means, "Yehovah delivers". Read my study on the name of God here, The True Pronunciation of YHVH and the Name of the Messiah | Wisdom of God . And you will also learn about the true pronunciation of the tetragrammaton, which is "Yehovah".

I read your lengthy piece teknon and have no problem with calling Jesus Yeshua, though I have my preference of Jesus because the name is not the defining attribute of almighty God.

Personally I believe you are incorrect in calling Yehovah (YHWH) an "angel" in the sense of being lesser than Yeshua (as you say) or having a name of lesser significance.

Where all this greater glory has been given unto Yeshuah, because unlike the angel Yehovah, Yeshuah suffered and died for his people, thus making his name worthy of greater exaltation than the name of Yehovah,

There are different ways of addressing Almighty God, the - LORD God - is YHWH-Elohim in a connective way and because YHWH is based upon the total tenses of the 1st person representation of the verb "to be" YHWH is a descriptive name or actually an adjectival name meaning GOD IS ETERNAL with no beginning and no end. ELOHIM - within the Godhead are 3 distinct persons which is why Elohim is plural (in thousands of places in a standalone way). The LORD God therefore refers to the Trinity and those distinct persons within that Godhead as ALL eternal.

The angel of the LORD MALAK-ELOHIM. MALAK translated as "angel" is functional as "messenger" or one who communicates as the function as one can see in the verses containing the name.

Genesis 16:10 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude.

This is called a theophany.

This is why Yeshua is called the word - the Logos - in the New Covenant scripture because He being God Himself communicates God to man in His totality

Logos Grk. The expression of an inward thought.

John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word (Logos) and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

So wherever we see The Angel of the LORD in the OC scripture (MALAK-ELOHIM) it is the Logos within the Triune Godhead communicating with man.

Genesis 16:11 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.

There must be a mediator between the God and man.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

 

[teknonoftheos]

I read your lengthy piece teknon and have no problem with calling Jesus Yeshua, though I have my preference of Jesus because the name is not the defining attribute of almighty God.

Personally I believe you are incorrect in calling Yehovah (YHWH) an "angel" in the sense of being lesser than Yeshua (as you say) or having a name of lesser significance.



There are different ways of addressing Almighty God, the - LORD God - is YHWH-Elohim in a connective way and because YHWH is based upon the total tenses of the 1st person representation of the verb "to be" YHWH is a descriptive name or actually an adjectival name meaning GOD IS ETERNAL with no beginning and no end. ELOHIM - within the Godhead are 3 distinct persons which is why Elohim is plural (in thousands of places in a standalone way). The LORD God therefore refers to the Trinity and those distinct persons within that Godhead as ALL eternal.

The angel of the LORD MALAK-ELOHIM. MALAK translated as "angel" is functional as "messenger" or one who communicates as the function as one can see in the verses containing the name.

Genesis 16:10 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude.

This is called a theophany.

This is why Yeshua is called the word - the Logos - in the New Covenant scripture because He being God Himself communicates God to man in His totality

Logos Grk. The expression of an inward thought.

John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word (Logos) and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

So wherever we see The Angel of the LORD in the OC scripture (MALAK-ELOHIM) it is the Logos within the Triune Godhead communicating with man.

Genesis 16:11 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.

There must be a mediator between the God and man.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Sigh. You're in error and you're a stubborn man. So be it, continue believing in your lies.

 

[HankD]

Sigh. You're in error and you're a stubborn man. So be it, continue believing in your lies.

OK.

 

[loDebar]

tek, Are you able to enlighten us on any Jewish traditions or teachings?

 

[teknonoftheos]

tek, Are you able to enlighten us on any Jewish traditions or teachings?

I do indeed have a blog with many teachings published, which you are welcome to read, Home | Wisdom of God . Take your pick at what you would like to discuss specifically.

 

[loDebar]

Have you considered the Wailing Wall cannot be part of the Temple?

 

[teknonoftheos]

Have you considered the Wailing Wall cannot be part of the Temple?

It isn't. It is part of the wall that surrounded the entire outer court that sat upon Mount Moriah. Within that outer court was where the temple structures were, which had its own wall, that surrounded its own inner court, which had the brazen altar. And then, within that inner court, is where the actual temple building was, which within that building had the set-apart place, which is where the menorah, table of the bread of the presence, and also the altar of incense were, and then, behind the veil, was the most set-apart place, which is where the ark of the covenant was. The temple was indeed on Mount Moriah, as it is written,

Then Solomon began to build the temple of Yehovah in Jerusalem on Mount Moriah, where Yehovah had appeared to his father David. It was on the threshing floor of Araunah the Jebusite, the place provided by David. (2 Chronicles 3:1 [MODIFIED-NIV)

And then the second temple was built on that precise location on Mount Moriah, where the former temple was,

and he told him, ‘Take these articles and go and deposit them in the temple in Jerusalem. And rebuild the house of God on its site.‘ “So this Sheshbazzar came and laid the foundations of the house of God in Jerusalem. From that day to the present it has been under construction but is not yet finished.” (Ezra 5:15-16 [NIV])

 

[loDebar]

• 2 Chronicles 3:1: "And Solomon began to build the house of the Lord in Jerusalem in the mount of Amoria, where the Lord appeared to his father David, in the place which David had prepared in the threshing-floor of Ornan the Jebusite."[7]

I restlessly saw a program that suggest the Temple is within the city walls that Solomon built, in the Old City much lower than the Temple Mount. It had to be near the Gihon Springs in order to be able to cleans the Temple after thousands of daily sacrifices.
The is no water on top

 

[teknonoftheos]

• 2 Chronicles 3:1: "And Solomon began to build the house of the Lord in Jerusalem in the mount of Amoria, where the Lord appeared to his father David, in the place which David had prepared in the threshing-floor of Ornan the Jebusite."[7]

I restlessly saw a program that suggest the Temple is within the city walls that Solomon built, in the Old City much lower than the Temple Mount. It had to be near the Gihon Springs in order to be able to cleans the Temple after thousands of daily sacrifices.
The is no water on top

It wasn't there. It was on Mount Moriah where the scriptures say it was. Clearly whoever made that documentary either ignored this passage or was unaware of it.

 

[loDebar]

please indicate which scripture ,I can only find 2 Chronicles 3:1, this Mount Amoria, and other references to Mount Zion

 

[loDebar]

I found this:

In II Samuel 6:17 it states that David pitched a "tabernacle" (tent) for the Ark. Solomon was taken to this same "tabernacle" (tent) to be crowned (I Kings 1:38,39) which the account shows was at the Gihon Spring. Both I Chronicles 15:1 and I Chronicles 16:1 mention this special "tent" for the Ark. This particular "tent" at the Gihon Spring (where David and Israel offered sacrifices and other Temple duties — I Kings 3:15) must not be confused with the "Tabernacle" constructed in the days of Moses which was then located at Gibeon (I Chronicles 16:39; I Kings 3:4). In a certain sense, the "Temple" for Israel for the last 27 years of David’s rule, and the first 11 years of Solomon’s rule was where the Ark of the Covenant was located at the Gihon Spring. All the references in the Psalms to waters coming forth from the throne of God refer in type to those exclusively from the Gihon Spring. This shows how significant it was to David and Solomon to have "spring waters" at the site of the Temple in Jerusalem. So, Solomon built his Temple on the Ophel mound situated just above the Gihon Spring. There is no doubt of this fact!