The Sovereign will of God

[Eternally Grateful]

Umm ...

• "A sinner chose to remain in unbelief" ... the blame for the choice goes to the sinner, right?
  • (If not, then please explain why not)

• If God did not give them the ability or option of being able to repent. then no. The blame goes on God because Giod did not give them a chance

• "the saint chose to believe" ... the credit for the choice goes to the saint who made the choice, right?
  • (If not, then please explain why not)

• In the case of fatalism, the saint has no choice, he will believe. in the case of grace THROUGH faith. the credit still goes to God. Because apart from the work of God. the so called saint would never have had the opportunity or means to trust him

• I said: "the difference between a saint and a sinner is that the Saint chose better and the sinner chose worse" ... How is what you said NOT what I said, you say?
  • (Is choosing to believe better than choosing to remain in unbelief?)
  • (Is choosing to remain in unbelief worse than choosing to believe?)
  • (Does the credit/blame not go to the person that made the choice?)

lol. once again, THE SINNER HAS NO CHOICE. and in reality THE SAINT HAS NO CHOICE.

You can't blame the sinner for never repenting WHEN HE HAS NO CHOICE OR ABILITY to repent..

He who does not believe is condemned already. Because God will not give them the ability or possibility to believe.....

Thats the fatalistic God!!

 

[kyredneck]

this is the problem, people want to put people in groups

...but you've got no problem with the 'handle' CALVINIST do you? Gives you a label, a handle, an identity, to assist you in your smear campaign against other Christians.

and all it does is get people to look at groups. and not the induvidual.

...no, it concisely circumvents all your smears and accusations and gets right to the heart of the matter:

Synergism: the doctrine that the human will cooperates with the Holy Ghost in the work of regeneration.

Monergism: the doctrine that the Holy Ghost acts independently of the human will in the work of regeneration.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yes, I am promised the land.

No your not

I will live on earth with my King for eternity. I will not be burned up on the Day of the Lord.

The earth was not promised to abrahams seed. A plot of land in palestine was (is)

The Abrahamic Covenant applies to me and all who believe in the atoning work of Christ Jesus. In the covenant with Abraham, God promises to all the people of the world who, by faith, believe as Abraham believed.

Your right, IN YOU SHALL ALL THE NATIONS be blessed. we BOTH fit in this part of the covenant
Gen 12:
I will make you a great nation; (Israel)

Gen 15:
13 Then He said to Abram: “Know certainly that your descendants will be strangers in a land that is not theirs, and will serve them, and they will afflict them four hundred years. 14 And also the nation whom they serve I will judge; afterward they shall come out with great possessions. 15 Now as for you, you shall go to your fathers in peace; you shall be buried at a good old age. 16 But in the fourth generation they shall return here, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete.”
17 And it came to pass, when the sun went down and it was dark, that behold, there appeared a smoking oven and a burning torch that passed between those pieces. 18 On the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying:
“To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates— 19 the Kenites, the Kenezzites, the Kadmonites, 20 the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim, 21 the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.”

Gen 17: . 8 Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”

You my friend have no part in the above parts of the abrahamic covenant, It was not met for you or I. It was not met tobe a salvation part of the covenant or af any person. it was a covenant (I WILL COVENANT) that was made between God and Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and ALL OF THEIR GENERATIONS as an ETERNAL COVENANT

If you understood the Covenants you would see that there is no such thing as replacement. There is only union in the Abrahamic Covenant.

Your the one who does not understand covenants, If you did, you would see your error

You don't seem to grasp that the Mosaic Covenant ended at the cross.

This is not about the mosaic covenant,

The abrahamic covenant was ETERNAL. God said so. You say it stopped in 70 AD.

your wrong

The nation of Israel has no land covenant with God.

Good God my friend, are you serious?????

13 Then He said to Abram: “Know certainly that your descendants will be strangers in a land that is not theirs, and will serve them, and they will afflict them four hundred years. 14 And also the nation whom they serve I will judge; afterward they shall come out with great possessions. 15 Now as for you, you shall go to your fathers in peace; you shall be buried at a good old age. 16 But in the fourth generation they shall return here, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete.”
17 And it came to pass, when the sun went down and it was dark, that behold, there appeared a smoking oven and a burning torch that passed between those pieces. 18 On the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying:
“To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates— 19 the Kenites, the Kenezzites, the Kadmonites, 20 the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim, 21 the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.”

Gen 17: . 8 Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”


how long is everlasting??

Only the people who are chosen within the New Covenant and in the promise of the Abrahamic Covenant will receive any land.

You, of course, reject this truth and hold to a failed system of dispensationalism that messes you up.

lol. Your about to enter my prayer bin,

You claim God never gave a land promise. well I showed you the actual covenant which PROVES you wrong.

it has diddly squat to do with dispensationalsim

it has everythign to do with what God said.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

...but you've got no problem with the 'handle' CALVINIST do you? Gives you a label, a handle, an identity, to assist you in your smear campaign against other Christians.

Oh really?

I am disussing issues with what people believe, Based on the words they are telling me.

Smear campiagn?

what do you call what you do to people who do not agree with your believe in regeneration before faith?

.no, it concisely circumvents all your smears and accusations and gets right to the heart of the matter:

Synergism: the doctrine that the human will cooperates with the Holy Ghost in the work of regeneration.

Monergism: the doctrine that the Holy Ghost acts independently of the human will in the work of regeneration.

whatever my friend

Look at what I say and respond to that. Otherwise your just another person on one of the two sides who has no capacity to discuss the word. just wants to smear the other side with name calling, and false accusations..

 

[kyredneck]

Smear campiagn?

You seem to be obsessed with 'Calvinism'.

what do you call what you do to people who do not agree with your believe in regeneration before faith?

Free-willers, Synergists.

Look at what I say and respond to that.

K. Will do.

 

[37818]

Free-willers, Synergists.

Not everyone who believes faith precedes regeneration are Synergists. Most happen to be Monergists.

 

[AustinC]

No your not


The earth was not promised to abrahams seed. A plot of land in palestine was (is)


Your right, IN YOU SHALL ALL THE NATIONS be blessed. we BOTH fit in this part of the covenant
Gen 12:
I will make you a great nation; (Israel)

Gen 15:
13 Then He said to Abram: “Know certainly that your descendants will be strangers in a land that is not theirs, and will serve them, and they will afflict them four hundred years. 14 And also the nation whom they serve I will judge; afterward they shall come out with great possessions. 15 Now as for you, you shall go to your fathers in peace; you shall be buried at a good old age. 16 But in the fourth generation they shall return here, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete.”
17 And it came to pass, when the sun went down and it was dark, that behold, there appeared a smoking oven and a burning torch that passed between those pieces. 18 On the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying:
“To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates— 19 the Kenites, the Kenezzites, the Kadmonites, 20 the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim, 21 the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.”

Gen 17: . 8 Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”

You my friend have no part in the above parts of the abrahamic covenant, It was not met for you or I. It was not met tobe a salvation part of the covenant or af any person. it was a covenant (I WILL COVENANT) that was made between God and Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and ALL OF THEIR GENERATIONS as an ETERNAL COVENANT


Your the one who does not understand covenants, If you did, you would see your error



This is not about the mosaic covenant,

The abrahamic covenant was ETERNAL. God said so. You say it stopped in 70 AD.

your wrong



Good God my friend, are you serious?????

13 Then He said to Abram: “Know certainly that your descendants will be strangers in a land that is not theirs, and will serve them, and they will afflict them four hundred years. 14 And also the nation whom they serve I will judge; afterward they shall come out with great possessions. 15 Now as for you, you shall go to your fathers in peace; you shall be buried at a good old age. 16 But in the fourth generation they shall return here, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete.”
17 And it came to pass, when the sun went down and it was dark, that behold, there appeared a smoking oven and a burning torch that passed between those pieces. 18 On the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying:
“To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates— 19 the Kenites, the Kenezzites, the Kadmonites, 20 the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim, 21 the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.”

Gen 17: . 8 Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”


how long is everlasting??



lol. Your about to enter my prayer bin,

You claim God never gave a land promise. well I showed you the actual covenant which PROVES you wrong.

it has diddly squat to do with dispensationalsim

it has everythign to do with what God said.

We Christians are the descendants of Abraham. Anyone who is brought to God by the faith God gives them is a descendant of Abraham. If that is not true, then you have to throw out Romans, Galatians, Hebrews, and other Apostolic writings as false. Are you going to toss out scripture in order to reject your standing as a descendant of Abraham?

 

[Salty]

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