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The Swift Boating of Cindy Sheehan

Daisy

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Sheehan
By Frank Rich The New York Times

MONDAY, AUGUST 22, 2005

NEW YORK Cindy Sheehan couldn't have picked a more apt date to begin the vigil that ambushed a president: Aug. 6 was the fourth anniversary of that fateful 2001 vacation day in Crawford, Texas, when George W. Bush responded to an intelligence briefing titled "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States" by going fishing.

<snip>

Once Sheehan could no longer be ignored, the Swift Boating began. Character assassination is the Karl Rove tactic of choice, eagerly mimicked by his media surrogates, whenever the White House is confronted by a critic who challenges it on matters of war. The Swift Boating is especially vicious if the critic has more battle scars than a president who connived to serve stateside and a vice president who had "other priorities" during Vietnam.

The most prominent smear victims have been Bush political opponents with heroic Vietnam resumes: John McCain, Max Cleland, John Kerry. But the list of past targets stretches from the former counterterrorism czar Richard Clarke to Specialist Thomas Wilson, the grunt who publicly challenged Donald Rumsfeld about inadequately armored vehicles last December. The assault on the whistle-blower Joseph Wilson - the diplomat described by the first President Bush as "courageous" and "a true American hero" for confronting Saddam Hussein to save American hostages in 1991 - was so toxic it may yet send its perpetrators to jail.

True to form, the attack on Cindy Sheehan surfaced early on Fox News, where she was immediately labeled a "crackpot" by Fred Barnes.
The right-wing blogosphere quickly spread tales of her divorce, her angry Republican in-laws, her supposed political flip-flops, her incendiary sloganeering and her association with known ticket-stub-carrying attendees of "Fahrenheit 9/11." Rush Limbaugh went so far as to declare that Sheehan's "story is nothing more than forged documents - there's nothing about it that's real."

But this time the Swift Boating failed, utterly, and that failure is yet another revealing historical marker in this summer's collapse of political support for the Iraq war.
When the Bush mob attacks critics like Sheehan, its highest priority is to change the subject. If we talk about Richard Clarke's character, then we stop talking about the administration's pre-9/11 inattentiveness to terrorism. If Thomas Wilson is trashed as an insubordinate plant of the "liberal media," we forget the Pentagon's abysmal failure to give our troops adequate armor. If we focus on Valerie Plame, Joseph Wilson's wife, we lose the big picture of how the administration twisted intelligence to gin up the threat of Saddam's nonexistent weapons of mass destruction.

The hope this time was that we would change the subject to Cindy Sheehan's "wacko" rhetoric and the opportunistic left-wing groups that have attached themselves to her like barnacles. That way we would forget about her dead son. But if much of the 24/7 media has taken the bait, much of the public has not.

<snip>

Cindy Sheehan's bashers, you'll notice, almost never tell her son's story.

They are afraid to go there because this young man's life and death encapsulate not just the noble intentions of those who went to fight this war but also the hubris, incompetence and recklessness of those who gave the marching orders.

Specialist Sheehan was both literally and figuratively an Eagle Scout: a church group leader and honor student whose desire to serve his country drove him to enlist before 9/11, in 2000. He died with six other soldiers on a rescue mission in Sadr City on April 4, 2004, at the age of 24, the week after four American security workers had been mutilated in Fallujah and two weeks after he arrived in Iraq. This was almost a year after the president had declared the end of "major combat operations" from the aircraft carrier Abraham Lincoln.

<snip>

Casey Sheehan's death in Iraq could not be more representative of the war's mismanagement and failure, but it is hardly singular.

Another mother who has journeyed to Crawford, Celeste Zappala, wrote last Sunday in New York's Daily News of how her son, Sergeant Sherwood Baker, was also killed in April 2004 - in Baghdad, where he was providing security for the Iraq Survey Group, which was charged with looking for WMDs "well beyond the admission by David Kay that they didn't exist."

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Link to Complete Article
At last, the MSM strikes back.
 

Joseph_Botwinick

<img src=/532.jpg>Banned
Cindy who?
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Joseph Botwinick
 

ASLANSPAL

New Member
bump

Originally posted by Daisy:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Sheehan
By Frank Rich The New York Times

MONDAY, AUGUST 22, 2005

NEW YORK Cindy Sheehan couldn't have picked a more apt date to begin the vigil that ambushed a president: Aug. 6 was the fourth anniversary of that fateful 2001 vacation day in Crawford, Texas, when George W. Bush responded to an intelligence briefing titled "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States" by going fishing.

&lt;snip&gt;

Once Sheehan could no longer be ignored, the Swift Boating began. Character assassination is the Karl Rove tactic of choice, eagerly mimicked by his media surrogates, whenever the White House is confronted by a critic who challenges it on matters of war. The Swift Boating is especially vicious if the critic has more battle scars than a president who connived to serve stateside and a vice president who had "other priorities" during Vietnam.

The most prominent smear victims have been Bush political opponents with heroic Vietnam resumes: John McCain, Max Cleland, John Kerry. But the list of past targets stretches from the former counterterrorism czar Richard Clarke to Specialist Thomas Wilson, the grunt who publicly challenged Donald Rumsfeld about inadequately armored vehicles last December. The assault on the whistle-blower Joseph Wilson - the diplomat described by the first President Bush as "courageous" and "a true American hero" for confronting Saddam Hussein to save American hostages in 1991 - was so toxic it may yet send its perpetrators to jail.

True to form, the attack on Cindy Sheehan surfaced early on Fox News, where she was immediately labeled a "crackpot" by Fred Barnes.
The right-wing blogosphere quickly spread tales of her divorce, her angry Republican in-laws, her supposed political flip-flops, her incendiary sloganeering and her association with known ticket-stub-carrying attendees of "Fahrenheit 9/11." Rush Limbaugh went so far as to declare that Sheehan's "story is nothing more than forged documents - there's nothing about it that's real."

But this time the Swift Boating failed, utterly, and that failure is yet another revealing historical marker in this summer's collapse of political support for the Iraq war.
When the Bush mob attacks critics like Sheehan, its highest priority is to change the subject. If we talk about Richard Clarke's character, then we stop talking about the administration's pre-9/11 inattentiveness to terrorism. If Thomas Wilson is trashed as an insubordinate plant of the "liberal media," we forget the Pentagon's abysmal failure to give our troops adequate armor. If we focus on Valerie Plame, Joseph Wilson's wife, we lose the big picture of how the administration twisted intelligence to gin up the threat of Saddam's nonexistent weapons of mass destruction.

The hope this time was that we would change the subject to Cindy Sheehan's "wacko" rhetoric and the opportunistic left-wing groups that have attached themselves to her like barnacles. That way we would forget about her dead son. But if much of the 24/7 media has taken the bait, much of the public has not.

&lt;snip&gt;

Cindy Sheehan's bashers, you'll notice, almost never tell her son's story.

They are afraid to go there because this young man's life and death encapsulate not just the noble intentions of those who went to fight this war but also the hubris, incompetence and recklessness of those who gave the marching orders.

Specialist Sheehan was both literally and figuratively an Eagle Scout: a church group leader and honor student whose desire to serve his country drove him to enlist before 9/11, in 2000. He died with six other soldiers on a rescue mission in Sadr City on April 4, 2004, at the age of 24, the week after four American security workers had been mutilated in Fallujah and two weeks after he arrived in Iraq. This was almost a year after the president had declared the end of "major combat operations" from the aircraft carrier Abraham Lincoln.

&lt;snip&gt;

Casey Sheehan's death in Iraq could not be more representative of the war's mismanagement and failure, but it is hardly singular.

Another mother who has journeyed to Crawford, Celeste Zappala, wrote last Sunday in New York's Daily News of how her son, Sergeant Sherwood Baker, was also killed in April 2004 - in Baghdad, where he was providing security for the Iraq Survey Group, which was charged with looking for WMDs "well beyond the admission by David Kay that they didn't exist."

&lt;snip&gt;
Link to Complete Article
At last, the MSM strikes back. </font>[/QUOTE]It is the bush culture when truth is spoken to them and they do not like it..they go after you
with the right wing noise machine...drudge(mr.
family lifestyle himself)rush limbaugh(another
drug induced family values member ..divorced 3
times)michelle malkin(paid to write a pro internment book before that she said it was
horrible)ann coulter(suckers people into buying
her books with short minis and vitriol)bill o'reilly(should not even say a peep and his wife
should take half his fortune in his quest for
perversity)karl rove(has a girlfriend he likes
to show off at events)...these are the people of
great integrity? people have been deceived by and
worship because the cater to their fears and not
their faith.

Remeber Lawrence Lindsay he spoke truth to power
he told the President the Iraq war would cost
200 billion...he was summarily fired..now we are
headed over 200 billion and the money is not even
properly accounted for with sloppy management and
war profiteering.

7% of our forces in Iraq are not American nationals but foreign nationals.
25,000 mercinaries being paid high dollars while
our troops go without armor.

College republicans partying it up have no intention of joining up..but love to play chicken
hawks ,they would rather watch others get blown
to smithereens.

Yeah the swiftboating of Cindy Sheehan is for real
and it is the lowest bottom feeding in this country ...they don't like her message so lets
go after the messenger..well quess what all these
perverted and sick right wing noise makers are
fair game as well.

Karl Rove and the rest of his hit squad need
to repent and take note from the late Lee Atwater
who repented on his death bed...the path they
are choosing to destroy others will only destroy
themselves.

President Bush should not focus his attack so
much on Cindy Sheehan but look within his own
party from conservative William F. Buckley from
Chuck Hagel to Lindsey Graham/John McCain they
are speaking truth to power..how is rove going
to smear all these guys at once.

It is not so easy when he really breaks
things in far away places and uses deception
to keep the war going in Iraq(one more time to
the 9/11 deception well)now I hear he is going
to compare it to WW2..another excuse ..another
marketing ploy...keep changing the reasoning until
the find one that sticks.

THE CONSEQUENCES OF DECEPTION IS LOSS OF TRUST
 

church mouse guy

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Daisy, the poor lady isolated herself with her dirty language that did not compute with her Catholic youth worker resume. Then she got tied up with 3 dozen Democrat members of the US House, all far leftist and anti-war types like Indianapolis's Julia Carson, known mostly for her insistence for abortion and special rights for sodomites. With friends like that, who needs enemies? The American people should be tired of street demonstrations after 50 years of them. How much did her public highway camp cost the taxpayers in additional secret service costs to secure the area from terrorists? And all just to hear a lady with a potty mouth?
 

carpro

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The way this works is for the truth to be told by the "swiftboaters" which does damage to the reputation of the swiftboated as in the case of Kerry.

Kerry was flying high until the swiftvets got the truth out.

Same with whatshername. In this case, the news media that published her previous story of her first meeting with President Bush exposed her as a liar. So I guess, Like Kerry, she in fact "swiftboated" herself by being caught in her lies.
 

KenH

Well-Known Member
At about only 1/3 of likely voters even viewing Mrs. Sheehan favorably it appears that she is only attracting the pre-existing anti-war folks.
 

Daisy

New Member
Swift boaters don't tell the truth; they flood the media with lies --- which the gullible believe.
 

Joseph_Botwinick

<img src=/532.jpg>Banned
In the spirit of swiftboating the hate monger, I think she should release letters from Casey Sheehan and let's find out what her son thought about the war. :D

Joseph Botwinick
 

KenH

Well-Known Member
Yeah, I know, Daisy. If anyone doesn't believe the liberals it's because he is stupid, ignorant, gullible, or some such. :rolleyes:

No wonder your side keeps losing national elections.
 

OldRegular

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by Daisy:
Swift boaters don't tell the truth; they flood the media with lies --- which the gullible believe.
Daisy, Daisy, bless your little pea-pikin heart. Come out of the darkness of the Bush Haters into the light.
 

OldRegular

Well-Known Member
Casey Sheehan volunteered for service in the military. The purpose of the military is to fight to defend the country and if necessary to die. His death, as all the deaths of our young men and women in Iraq, is sad. However, I believe that it is better to kill the terrorists in Iraq than here.

One thing is certain, if we pull out of Iraq this country will be flooded by terrorism and thousands, perhaps millions will die. The terrorists will not differentiate between those bleeding heart leftists who want the troops home and anyone else.
 

Daisy

New Member
Originally posted by KenH:
Yeah, I know, Daisy. If anyone doesn't believe the liberals it's because he is stupid, ignorant, gullible, or some such. :rolleyes:
No, I don't think that - but people who don't look at the evidence and judge solely according to their desire and political affiliation, whatever that may be, do qualify for your epithets.

No wonder your side keeps losing national elections.
We didn't lose 2000 - it was stolen! We wuz robbed! &lt;*insert crying baby img here*&gt;

Originally posted by OldRegular:
Casey Sheehan volunteered for service in the military. The purpose of the military is to fight to defend the country and if necessary to die. His death, as all the deaths of our young men and women in Iraq, is sad. However, I believe that it is better to kill the terrorists in Iraq than here.
Bush's Iraq War was not about defending the US. The problem with killing terrorists there is that there is so much more collateral damage that more terrorists are created with a very specific target.

One thing is certain, if we pull out of Iraq this country will be flooded by terrorism and thousands, perhaps millions will die. The terrorists will not differentiate between those bleeding heart leftists who want the troops home and anyone else.
I'm not in favor of pulling out of Iraq before the area is stablilized. Far from it, I think that would be an even worse diaster than Bush has already wreaked.
 

carpro

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Site Supporter
Originally posted by Joseph_Botwinick:
In the spirit of swiftboating the hate monger, I think she should release letters from Casey Sheehan and let's find out what her son thought about the war. :D

Joseph Botwinick
Outstanding idea!
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His devotion to duty and his "brothers" was truly admirable regardless of what he thought of the war itself. His mother could learn from him if she would.
 

Baptist in Richmond

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Originally posted by carpro:
The way this works is for the truth to be told by the "swiftboaters" which does damage to the reputation of the swiftboated as in the case of Kerry.

Kerry was flying high until the swiftvets got the truth out.

Same with whatshername. In this case, the news media that published her previous story of her first meeting with President Bush exposed her as a liar. So I guess, Like Kerry, she in fact "swiftboated" herself by being caught in her lies.
You mean "truth" like this?
Perhaps you meant this "truth?"
Perhaps you meant this "truth."
No? Then what about this?
Or this?


And just think:this is from a site run by what Rush calls "little pimple-faced kids that are working at wannabe websites."

Regards,
BiR
 

carpro

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Site Supporter
Originally posted by Baptist in Richmond:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by carpro:
The way this works is for the truth to be told by the "swiftboaters" which does damage to the reputation of the swiftboated as in the case of Kerry.

Kerry was flying high until the swiftvets got the truth out.

Same with whatshername. In this case, the news media that published her previous story of her first meeting with President Bush exposed her as a liar. So I guess, Like Kerry, she in fact "swiftboated" herself by being caught in her lies.
You mean "truth" like this?
Perhaps you meant this "truth?"
Perhaps you meant this "truth."
No? Then what about this?
Or this?


And just think:this is from a site run by what Rush calls "little pimple-faced kids that are working at wannabe websites."

Regards,
BiR
</font>[/QUOTE]I'd say Media Matters bought into the fullblown media war to get Kerry elected.

Too bad.

The truth won out.
 

just-want-peace

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The problem with killing terrorists there is that there is so much more collateral damage that more terrorists are created with a very specific target.
Wow!!! I'm really surprised that this little information gem hasn't resulted in ALL military action suspended already!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 

Baptist in Richmond

Active Member
Originally posted by carpro:
I'd say Media Matters bought into the fullblown media war to get Kerry elected.

Too bad.

The truth won out.
That certainly was a foolish statement, even for you carpro. Perhaps you can show us where they endorsed John Kerry.

Well, come on, carpro: refute the charges at MediaMatters. It shouldn't be that hard, since the "truth won out."

If you are going to make a charge, I hope you are ready to back it up.

Regards,
BiR
 
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