Actually, refers to a literal Kingdom state upon this earth when Messianic King is enthroned upon his throne
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The Thousand Year Reign of Christ on the Earth
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Alan Dale Gross
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Would you like to have a 100% Advantage toward understanding the Book of Revelation?
Yes?
The Inherently Designed Structure of the Book of Revelation that God Divinely Reveals is that EACH OF SEVEN VISIONS ALL COVER THE PRECISELY SAME PERIOD AND SPAN OF TIME.
Each of those Seven Visions, cover the New Testament Age of Jesus' churches we are now in and this current Age we are now in began at the End of Jesus' First Advent after His Birth, Public Ministry, Death, Burial, and Resurrection, and then His Ascension. From Jesus' Ascension until Jesus' Second Advent, when He Returns to Earth, again, is the same Time Period that Each Vision, including John's First Vision on the Lord's Day, covers.
Each Vision's content reiterates and goes back over the Preceding Vision and GIVES Further, DEEPER REVELATION, if you will.
All Seven Visions OVERLAY ONE ANOTHER and they All Give MORE PROGRESSIVE REVELATION AS YOU GO FROM ONE VISION TO THE NEXT, starting over in Each One back to the Time of Jesus' Earthly Ministry and Ascension.
(Reading through Revelation, one chapter after the other, is not how God Designed it and that can only lead to utter chaos and entirely unintended gobbledygook and, of course, that is all that comes from misinterpreting the Book of Revelation, by trying to think it was ever meant to be read that way.)
Study Revelation this way to have a 100% Advantage to understand What God Wants You to Understand.
"The system of interpretation of the book of Revelation which seems most satisfactory to me...is that known as progressive parallelism, ably defended by William Hendriksen in More Than Conquerors, his commentary on Revelation.2
"According to this view, the book of Revelation consists of seven sections which run parallel to each other, each of which depicts the Lord's churches and the world from the time of Christ’s First Coming to the time of His Second Coming.
"The first of these seven sections is found in chapters 1-3. John sees the risen and glorified Christ walking in the midst of seven golden lampstands. In obedience to Christ’s command John now proceeds to write letters to each of the seven churches of Asia Minor.
"The vision of the glorified Christ together with the letters to the seven churches obviously form a unit. As we read these letters we are impressed with two things.
"First, there are references to events, people and places of the time when the book of Revelation was written.
"Second, the principles, commendations and warnings contained in these letters have value for the church of all time.
"These two observations, in fact, provide a clue for the interpretation of the entire book.
"Since the book of Revelation was addressed to the Lord's churches of the first century A.D., its message had reference to events occurring at that time and was therefore meaningful for the Christians of that day.
"But since the book was also intended for the Lord's churches through the ages, its message is still relevant for us today.
"The second of these seven sections is the vision of the seven seals found in chapters 4-7.
"John is caught up to heaven and sees God sitting on his radiant throne.
"He then sees the Lamb that had been slain taking the scroll sealed with seven seals from the hand of the one who was sitting on the throne.
"The various seals are broken, and various divine judgments on the world are described. In this vision we see the church suffering trial and persecution against the background of the victory of Christ.
"The third section, found in chapters 8-11, describes the seven trumpets of judgment. In this vision we see the church avenged, protected and victorious.
"The fourth section, chapters 12-14, begins with the vision of the woman giving birth to a son while the dragon waits to devour him as soon as he is born—an obvious reference to the birth of Christ.
"The rest of the section describes the continued opposition of the dragon (who stands for Satan) to the church.
"This section also introduces us to the two beasts who are the dragon’s helpers: the beast out of the sea and the beast out of the earth.
"The fifth section is found in chapters 15-16. It describes the seven bowls of wrath, thus depicting in a very graphic way the final visitation of God’s wrath on those who remain impenitent.
"The sixth section, chapters 17-19, describes the fall of Babylon and of the beasts. Babylon stands for the worldly city — the forces of secularism and godlessness which are in opposition to the kingdom of God.
"The end of chapter 19 depicts the fall and final punishment of the dragon’s two helpers: the beast out of the sea, and the false prophet, who appears to be identified with the beast out of the earth (see 16:13).
"The seventh section, chapters 20-22, narrates the doom of the dragon, thus completing the description of the overthrow of the enemies of Christ. In addition, it describes the final judgment, the final triumph of Christ and his church, and the renewed universe, here called the new heaven and the new earth.
"Note that though these seven sections are parallel to each other, they also reveal a certain amount of eschatological progress.
"The last section, for example, takes us further into the future than the other sections.
"Although the final judgment has already been announced in 1:7 and has been briefly described in 6:12-17, it is not set forth in full detail until we come to 20:11-15.
"Though the final joy of the redeemed in the life to come has been hinted at in 7:15-17, it is not until we reach chapter 21 that we find a detailed and elaborate description of the blessedness of life on the new earth (21:1-22:5).
"Hence this method of interpretation is called progressive parallelism.
"There is eschatological progression in these seven sections, not only regarding the individual sections but also regarding the book as a whole.
"If we grant that the book of Revelation depicts the struggle between Christ and his church on the one hand and the enemies of Christ and the church on the other, we may say that the first half of the book (chapters 1-11) describes the struggle on earth, picturing the church as it is persecuted by the world.
"The second half of the book, however (chapters 12-22), gives us the deeper spiritual background of this struggle, describing the persecution of the church by the dragon (Satan) and his helpers. In the light of this analysis we see how the last section of the book (chapters 20-22) falls into place.
"This last section describes the judgment which falls on Satan, and his final doom. Since Satan is the supreme opponent of Christ, it stands to reason that his doom should be narrated last."
More at: "Amillennialism: Intoduction and the Book of Revelation" by Anthony Hoekema
Yes?
The Inherently Designed Structure of the Book of Revelation that God Divinely Reveals is that EACH OF SEVEN VISIONS ALL COVER THE PRECISELY SAME PERIOD AND SPAN OF TIME.
Each of those Seven Visions, cover the New Testament Age of Jesus' churches we are now in and this current Age we are now in began at the End of Jesus' First Advent after His Birth, Public Ministry, Death, Burial, and Resurrection, and then His Ascension. From Jesus' Ascension until Jesus' Second Advent, when He Returns to Earth, again, is the same Time Period that Each Vision, including John's First Vision on the Lord's Day, covers.
Each Vision's content reiterates and goes back over the Preceding Vision and GIVES Further, DEEPER REVELATION, if you will.
All Seven Visions OVERLAY ONE ANOTHER and they All Give MORE PROGRESSIVE REVELATION AS YOU GO FROM ONE VISION TO THE NEXT, starting over in Each One back to the Time of Jesus' Earthly Ministry and Ascension.
(Reading through Revelation, one chapter after the other, is not how God Designed it and that can only lead to utter chaos and entirely unintended gobbledygook and, of course, that is all that comes from misinterpreting the Book of Revelation, by trying to think it was ever meant to be read that way.)
Study Revelation this way to have a 100% Advantage to understand What God Wants You to Understand.
"The system of interpretation of the book of Revelation which seems most satisfactory to me...is that known as progressive parallelism, ably defended by William Hendriksen in More Than Conquerors, his commentary on Revelation.2
"According to this view, the book of Revelation consists of seven sections which run parallel to each other, each of which depicts the Lord's churches and the world from the time of Christ’s First Coming to the time of His Second Coming.
"The first of these seven sections is found in chapters 1-3. John sees the risen and glorified Christ walking in the midst of seven golden lampstands. In obedience to Christ’s command John now proceeds to write letters to each of the seven churches of Asia Minor.
"The vision of the glorified Christ together with the letters to the seven churches obviously form a unit. As we read these letters we are impressed with two things.
"First, there are references to events, people and places of the time when the book of Revelation was written.
"Second, the principles, commendations and warnings contained in these letters have value for the church of all time.
"These two observations, in fact, provide a clue for the interpretation of the entire book.
"Since the book of Revelation was addressed to the Lord's churches of the first century A.D., its message had reference to events occurring at that time and was therefore meaningful for the Christians of that day.
"But since the book was also intended for the Lord's churches through the ages, its message is still relevant for us today.
"The second of these seven sections is the vision of the seven seals found in chapters 4-7.
"John is caught up to heaven and sees God sitting on his radiant throne.
"He then sees the Lamb that had been slain taking the scroll sealed with seven seals from the hand of the one who was sitting on the throne.
"The various seals are broken, and various divine judgments on the world are described. In this vision we see the church suffering trial and persecution against the background of the victory of Christ.
"The third section, found in chapters 8-11, describes the seven trumpets of judgment. In this vision we see the church avenged, protected and victorious.
"The fourth section, chapters 12-14, begins with the vision of the woman giving birth to a son while the dragon waits to devour him as soon as he is born—an obvious reference to the birth of Christ.
"The rest of the section describes the continued opposition of the dragon (who stands for Satan) to the church.
"This section also introduces us to the two beasts who are the dragon’s helpers: the beast out of the sea and the beast out of the earth.
"The fifth section is found in chapters 15-16. It describes the seven bowls of wrath, thus depicting in a very graphic way the final visitation of God’s wrath on those who remain impenitent.
"The sixth section, chapters 17-19, describes the fall of Babylon and of the beasts. Babylon stands for the worldly city — the forces of secularism and godlessness which are in opposition to the kingdom of God.
"The end of chapter 19 depicts the fall and final punishment of the dragon’s two helpers: the beast out of the sea, and the false prophet, who appears to be identified with the beast out of the earth (see 16:13).
"The seventh section, chapters 20-22, narrates the doom of the dragon, thus completing the description of the overthrow of the enemies of Christ. In addition, it describes the final judgment, the final triumph of Christ and his church, and the renewed universe, here called the new heaven and the new earth.
"Note that though these seven sections are parallel to each other, they also reveal a certain amount of eschatological progress.
"The last section, for example, takes us further into the future than the other sections.
"Although the final judgment has already been announced in 1:7 and has been briefly described in 6:12-17, it is not set forth in full detail until we come to 20:11-15.
"Though the final joy of the redeemed in the life to come has been hinted at in 7:15-17, it is not until we reach chapter 21 that we find a detailed and elaborate description of the blessedness of life on the new earth (21:1-22:5).
"Hence this method of interpretation is called progressive parallelism.
"There is eschatological progression in these seven sections, not only regarding the individual sections but also regarding the book as a whole.
"If we grant that the book of Revelation depicts the struggle between Christ and his church on the one hand and the enemies of Christ and the church on the other, we may say that the first half of the book (chapters 1-11) describes the struggle on earth, picturing the church as it is persecuted by the world.
"The second half of the book, however (chapters 12-22), gives us the deeper spiritual background of this struggle, describing the persecution of the church by the dragon (Satan) and his helpers. In the light of this analysis we see how the last section of the book (chapters 20-22) falls into place.
"This last section describes the judgment which falls on Satan, and his final doom. Since Satan is the supreme opponent of Christ, it stands to reason that his doom should be narrated last."
More at: "Amillennialism: Intoduction and the Book of Revelation" by Anthony Hoekema
Alan Dale Gross
Active Member
Doesn't the Bible actually completely eliminate the "pre", "Mid", and "Post" interpretations just as plain as day, since they are each utterly dependent on "a thousand year reign" of Jesus Christ on Earth and God makes no mention of any "thousand year reign" of Jesus Christ on Earth.
He Does. God utterly eliminated those "pre", "Mid", and "Post" errors, for all to see right there before our eyes, in Revelation 20:4.
They are all misconceived, bogus, and null and void, wastes of anyone's and everyone's time, from their first word, until their ten billionth word, at their last they ever have to say. Every word about any of them is worthless and false, starting with their namesake misnomers they took upon themselves for errant Non-Biblical names, of "pre", "Mid", and "Post" anything's.
The very best Bible teachers never even bother mentioning that they exist. Why should they? I, for one, like to teach the Bible and just am perfectly content with skipping manmade ideas that aren't what the Bible teaches, WHICH IS WHAT GOD WANTS YOU TO UNDERSTAND.
(Not a bunch of flesh that profits Zero.)
That's God Himself talking in the Bible about "a thousand year reign" and He doesn't say one Word in the Bible anywhere about " a thousand year reign" of Jesus Christ that will take place on Earth.
Do you know why?
Because there is never going to be anything that takes place in the future where Jesus Christ is on Earth Reigning for " a thousand years".
Man says, "oh, yeah there is".
Then, provided you care what God says, He Doesn't, but He says so much more, it'll keep you busy the rest of your life probing it's DEPTHS OF GRACIOUS BLESSINGS OF GOD'S TRUE REVELATION TO MANKIND and Unfold the New Testament and Old Testament AND OUR CURRENT AGE AND THE HISTORICAL FACT OF THE END OF TIME AS WE KNOW IT, WHEN JESUS RETURNS, LIKE YOU WOULDN'T BELIEVE.
THAT WILL BE IT. THE GREAT CONSUMATION. JESUS SEPARATING THE SHEEP FROM THE GOATS, AS HE SAYS EVERY OTHER TIME HIS RETURN IS MENTIONED.
THAT MEANS: PREACH NOW!!!
THIS IS ALL THERE WILL EVER BE.
Alan Dale Gross
Active Member
Not unless you see the word, "Hell", somewhere that I don't.
And Satan's "binding" for "a thousand years" does have another important quality mentioned, if you notice it.
It is that he "will deceive the nations no more until the thousand years be fulfilled". That's a big bit of information. In other words, nobody said Satan went away completely somewhere ( the Abyss), since he still is reaping havoc every day on Earth.
It says that he is no longer permitted or able to deceive the nations as a whole and keep them entirely in darkness, en masse, as in so many previous Ages.
Satan Bound the Thousand Years;
1 "And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 "And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 "And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season."
What messianic Age are you referring to?
Where is this one you are referring to, do you know right off?
And where it is talking about these things like this?
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Isaiah Zachariah for examples
All nations shall up unto Jerusalem to worship the Messianic King, has not happened as of yet, and there has been no resurrection as of yet, and Satan has never been bound yet, as in Messianic age shall be cast into Hell and bound, no more false teachers, false religions etc shall be found at that time upon earth
Alan Dale Gross
Active Member
Is that supposed to be saying something
Those 2 ;prophets saw a coming Messianic age upon earth
canadyjd
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The “pre”, “mid”, “post” refer to the timing of the rapture with relation to the great tribulation (as I understand it). The theology is separate from millennial reign theology.
I hold to post trib rapture, immediately followed by the great throne judgment and no millennial reign on earth.
Peace to you
I hold to post trib rapture, immediately followed by the great throne judgment and no millennial reign on earth.
Peace to you
So you are not a strict A Mil, as majority of them hold to no literal antichrist nor great Tribulation period
Alan Dale Gross
Active Member
Yeah, Jesus Reigned on the Earth.
And they made references to the Eternal State of Glory, as well.
Alan Dale Gross
Active Member
No he has not as of yet, as been in heaven as Mediator and High Priest, and will assume his Messianic King role at second coming when His kingdom comes then on earth as now in Heaven
Alan Dale Gross
Active Member
Much of everything the O.T. Prophets are rereferring to is their Prophecies of Jesus' First Coming,
in His Virgin Birth, and Perfect Life and Ministry,
then His death, burial, and resurrection and Ascension,
then where Jesus and the other N.T. writers
confirm where those Prophecies have been mostly fulfilled,
and then those O.P. Prophets do go on further and mention the Eternal Glories of Heaven.
Author Dean Davis has made his God-Honoring work, "High King of Heaven" available, for free, here,
this is the .pdf: chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/sdg/davis/The%20High%20King%20of%20Heaven%20-%20Dean%20Davis.pdf Then, here it is in ePub, & .mobi.
He's a real nice, fair guy.
These are some great audios of his book.
Dean Davis, author of the book The High King of Heaven: Discovering the Master Keys to the Great End Time Debate by Dean Devis
(Redemption Press, 2014), conducted a conference on eschatology from an Amillennial perspective in February 2015 in Santa Rosa, California.
The conference messages were based upon the "High King of Heaven".
High King of Heaven Seminar Part One
High King of Heaven Seminar Part Two
High King of Heaven Seminar Part Three
High King of Heaven Seminar Part Four
High King of Heaven Seminar Part Five
Dean Davis' stuff is so comprehensive, packed full of scriptures, and so well written for an 'easy read',
just pop in and through these things a little bit and try to see if God has anything for you in them.
The chapters that teach on Isaiah and Zechariah are below. They are eye-opening!
THE HIGH KING OF HEAVEN.
Part 3: Understanding Old Testament Kingdom Prophecy
12. The Nature and Stages of the Kingdom in Old Testament Prophecy
13. New Testament Principles for Interpreting OT Kingdom Prophecy
14. NT Examples of Interpreting OT Kingdom Prophecy
15. OT Kingdom Prophecies Considered: Psalms, Isaiah, Jeremiah
16. OT Kingdom Prophecies Considered: Ezekiel
17. OT Kingdom Prophecies Considered: Daniel
18. OT Kingdom Prophecies Considered: Zechariah
"The Thousand Year Reign of Christ on the Earth".
The O.P. title is shortsighted, in that it places Jesus where the Bible does not.
I know there seems to be an overwhelming drawing for some folks to want desperately
for Jesus to take and Give His Kingdom to the Nation of people who crucified Him, for them to take up rulership with Him, on Earth,
however, there is nothing of the kind stated in any verse(s) in the Bible.
See what you think of I Corinthians 15:23b, where the Bible talks about Christ's Coming;
they that are Christ's at His Coming.
Then, where The End is mentioned in the next verse;
24 "Then Cometh the End, when He shall have Delivered up the Kingdom to God, even the Father;
when He shall have Put Down all rule and all authority and power.
It says there that Jesus is Going to Deliver His Kingdom, to the FATHER, at Jesus Second Coming.
And, next, it says Jesus Will Reign until He has done so;
25 "For He must Reign, till He hath Put all enemies under His Feet.
Then, Jesus Will be Subdued Unto God the Father;
28 "And when all things shall be subdued unto Him,
then shall the Son also Himself be Subject unto Him that Put all things under Him, that God may be All in All."
I Corinthians 15:
19 "If in this life only we have Hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
20 "But now is Christ Risen from the dead, and become the Firstfruits of them that slept.
21 "For since by man came death, by man came also the Resurrection of the dead.
22 "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 "But every man in his own order: Christ the Firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at His Coming.
24 "Then Cometh the End, when He shall have Delivered up the Kingdom to God, even the Father;
when He shall have Put Down all rule and all authority and power.
25 "For He must Reign, till He hath Put all enemies under His Feet.
26 "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 "For He hath put all things under His feet.
But when He saith, all things are Put under Him, it is Manifest that He is Excepted, which did Put all things under Him.
28 "And when all things shall be subdued unto Him,
then shall the Son also Himself be Subject unto Him that Put all things under Him, that God may be All in All."
That last verse refers to after His Millinual reign of the Kingdom upon This earth after second coming when paradise state was then restored
Alan Dale Gross
Active Member
Yeah, you have to figure out that that is all in your head.
No mention of anything remotely similiar to anything referring to "His Millienial", the word, "Reign",
Even the word, "Kingdom", is NOT SURPRISINGLY, Not Found in this specific verse
that you say "teaches", "That last verse refers to after His Millinual reign of the Kingdom upon This earth."
And, of course, there is no mention of the word, "Earth", in that verse.
I bet you thought that certain words don't have to be a verse, for it to "teach", all kinds of wild, rash, guesswork,
by the carnal reasonings of man, using a mind effected by the Curse of The Fall,
unaided by The Illumination of The Holy Spirit of God,
WHICH BEARS WITNESS WITH THE PRESERVED TESTIMONY OF THE BIBLE WE HAVE IN OUR HANDS
(in other words, God Says What He actually Wants us to Understand, IN WRITEN WORDS, not Telepathy, or divination,
or by just making things up, out of nowhere, etc. REST ASSURED!! THAT IS NOT THE WAY GOD OPPERATES!!!)
Then, of course, if we read the passage you are referring to, there is no "teaching", by using any words,
with regard to the words, "Second Coming", Paradise State", or "Restored".
However, if it were possible to just make some random, unsubstantiated, gratuitous assertion,
that we can add a bunch of words into a verse, to make it say something man-made, instead of from God, at all,
like if someone chose to add this collection of various words:
"His Millinual", "reign", "Kingdom", "earth", "Second Coming", "Paradise State", or "Restored",
on top of, in replacement of, or just by sticking them onto the front or the back of that real Bible verse;
then, you'd have been able to make a verse that God Wrote
STAND UP AND WALK ON ALL FOURS, LIKE A DOG.
Nothing good has or could ever come from an activity of the flesh like that, but it makes you think.
Like, "what are you doing?"
Yeah, you have to figure out that that is all in your head.
I didn't say it wasn't in there. In your head.
It's in there. In your head.
That's the only place it is, other than other people's heads.
Nothing to brag about. It's pure Bible ignorance.
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ne my brother can say any of us are biblical ignorant regarding eschatologically, just as long as now into heresy of full blown Preterism , as other views such as premil amil post mi; are just t interpretation of the scripture, and we shall not be 100 % sure until prophecy occur and is fulfilledAlan Dale Gross
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I hear things like that sometimes about various subjects.
I take it as being just one step worse that a total cop out.
And, that is where folks just play right straight into Satan's hand.
Satan happens to know that these passages depict HIS DOOM!!
YOU DON'T THINK HE MESSED WITH PEOPLE'S MINDS OVER "THE END TIMES"?
You remember, "The Vision of ‘The Souls of Them that Had Been Beheaded
for the Testimony of Jesus", from: MORE THAN CONQUERORS.
"The reign of the saints (20: 4-6) In order to arrive at a proper conception of these verses, we must again go back in our thoughts to the first century ad. Roman persecutions are raging. Martyrs are calmly laying their heads under the executioner’s sword. Paul had already done this; also James.
"Rather than say, ‘The emperor is Lord’,
or drop incense on the altar of a pagan priest as a token of worshipping the emperor,
believers confess their Christ even in the midst of the flames
and while they are thrown before the wild beasts in the Roman amphitheaters.
"But Christ is not unmindful of His grievously afflicted disciples.
He sustains them in order that they may remain faithful to the end.
For that very reason He gives to His sorely-tried Church
the vision of ‘the souls of them that had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus'
(1: 2, 9; 6: 9).
Jesus describes these souls—together with those of all departed Christians
who had confessed their Lord upon earth—
as Reigning with Jesus in Heaven. He says, in effect,
‘Here below: a few years of suffering: there, in that better land above,
they live and Reign with Christ a thousand years! (Alan's note: THAT'S THE MESAGE!")
’What a comfort! Certainly, the sufferings of this present time
are not worthy to be compared with the Glory
which is Revealed to the souls of believers Reigning with their Exalted Lord in Heaven!
"In connection with this ‘thousand year reign’ of verses 4-6
we shall answer three questions.
'First, where does it take place?
According to the passage which we are considering it takes place in three places.
(i) The thousand year reign occurs where the thrones are,
for we read: ‘And I saw thrones and they sat upon them. ’
"Now, according to the entire book of Revelation,
the throne of Christ and of His people is invariably in heaven
(Rev. 1: 4; 3: 21; 4: 2 if.; etc. ).
(ii) The thousand year reign also occurs
where the disembodied souls of the martyrs are, for we read:
‘And I saw the souls of them that had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus. ’
"John sees souls, not bodies. He is thinking of souls without bodies,
for we read: ‘of them that had been beheaded’.
"In this entire passage there is not a single word about a resurrection of bodies.
The distinction between soul and body is even emphasized:
‘the souls of them that had been beheaded’.
True, the term ‘souls' at times means ‘people’ (e. g. Gn. 46: 27).
But in that case you can substitute the term ‘people’ for ‘souls’.
Here in Revelation 20 you cannot do so.
"The souls reign during this entire present dispensation until Christ’s second coming.
"Afterwards, it is no longer the souls that Reign,
for then body and soul are together again. (Alan's Note:see what happened there?)
"Then the saints Reign, not for a limited though lengthy period—
a thousand years—but ‘for ever and ever’ (22: 5).
(iii) The thousand year reign also occurs where Jesus lives,
for we read ‘And they lived and reigned with Christ.... ’
"The question is, where, according to the Apocalypse,
is the place from which the exalted Mediator rules the universe?
"Where does Jesus live? Clearly, it is in heaven.
"It is in heaven that the Lamb is represented
as taking the scroll out of the hand of Him that sat on the throne (Rev. 5).
"Revelation 12 clearly states that Christ was ‘caught up to God and to his throne... Therefore, rejoice O heavens, and ye that dwell therein’.
"We may safely say, therefore, that the thousand year reign takes place in Heaven."
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Alan Dale Gross
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There should be ONE DIVINE INTERPRETATION OF EVERY SCRIPTURE,,
in my mind, the way I see it.. WHAT DID IT MEAN TO THOSE WHO HEARD IT?
We just saw again how Revelation 20:4-6
teach that "a thousand years" takes place in Heaven and not on Earth.
A REIGN OF JESUS ON EARTH A THOUSAND YEARS IS NOT TAUGHT IN THE BIBLE.
Ipso facto, God Himself has always had the premil and post mil positions
hemmed up, and choked, with no Earthly possibility for them to be valid in any way.
They are both absolutely dependent entirety on everything, including their names,
on a "Reign" to take place by Jesus, for "a thousand years" and there is none.
That's the same kind of false dreams the lost Jews had, at Jesus' First Coming,
when they had determined that they were looking for a Ruler
to help them with the Romans and set up A KINGDOM RULING ON EARTH.
SATAN SOLD THE SAME LIE TO THE LOST JEWS AGAIN.
THERE WILL NONE. NO MORE THAN THERE WAS AT JESUS' FIRST COMING,
WHEN THEY HAD JESUS CRUCIFIED, BECAUSE THEY KNEW HIM NOT.
AND STILL DON'T.
Jewish Dreams
By Engelsma David
Volume 71/1995 Issue: 8, 1/15/1995
There's PLENTY MORE at these sources, of course.
"The hope of the Reformed church and believer at the beginning of a
new year is the second coming of Christ and the resurrection of the
body. A hope, as was pointed out in the previous editorial, is the
resurrection of the soul at the believer’s death. The hope is Christ’s
return and the resurrection of the body.
"The Word of God makes this the hope of the church. The “glorious
appearing of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ” is our
“blessed hope” (Titus 2:13). “We groan within ourselves, waiting for
the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body” (Rom. 8:23). The
prayer of the saints is, “Come, Lord Jesus” (Rev. 22:20).
"It is no part of the church’s hope that a majority of humanity will
soon be converted; that the church will then physically dominate the
world; that all nations will be “Christianized”; and that a “golden
age” of earthly peace and prosperity will precede the coming of the
Lord Jesus.
"This is the hope of some in Reformed and Presbyterian circles.
Certain teachers aggressively promote this hope, particularly those
associated with a movement known as “Christian Reconstruction,” or
“theonomy.” The church will enjoy earthly dominion. This future
dominion — the Christianizing” of the world — will be the Messianic
kingdom.
"Because this doctrine of the last things thinks to base itself on
Revelation 20’s teaching of the “thousand years” (Latin:
millennium), it is commonly referred to as postmillennialism. Jesus
Christ will come only after a thousand years in which the church has
had earthly victory and the kingdom of Christ has been the political
world-power.
"The hope of postmillennialism, particularly in its “Christian
Reconstruction” form, is a “Jewish dream,” This was the express
judgment of the early Reformed creed, the Second Helvetic
Confession (A. D. 1566):
"We further condemn Jewish dreams that there will be a. golden
age on earth before the Day of Judgment, and that the pious,
having subdued all their godless enemies, will possess all the
kingdoms of the earth. For evangelical truth in Matt., chs. 24 and
25, and Luke, ch. 18, and apostolic teaching in 2Thess., ch. 2, and
2Tim., chs. 3 and 4, present something quite different (Chap. 11,
in Reformed Confessions of the 16th Century, ed. Arthur C.
Cochrane, Westminster Press, 1966).
"The carnal kingdom of postmillennialism, particularly as painted by
“Christian Reconstruction,” is exactly the kind of Messianic kingdom
dreamed and desired by the Jews in the days of Christ’s earthly
ministry. This was what the Jews of John 6 wanted: Christ as the
king of an earthly kingdom and a temporal future bright with the
prospect of political power and earthly glory.
"The damning judgment upon postmillennialism by the Second
Helvetic Confession reflected the theology of the early Reformers,
Luther and Calvin, as well as Bullinger, author of the creed. More
importantly, it is the stand of the confessions that bind Reformed
and Presbyterian churches and Christians today."
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atpollard
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There is no literal 1000 years. It is a vision. It is apocalyptic literature. Ten is the number symbolizing “many”. Ten horns, ten eyes, ten times. So 100 would be 10 x 10 or “many x many” and 1000 would be 10 x 10 x 10 or “many x many x many” … a VERY LARGE NUMBER of years.
Thus the “reign with him for 1000 years” is not meant to convey a literal finite kingdom, but encouragement that the redeemed would reign with Christ for a period of time too long to count. (As contrasted with the very finite time that ‘troubles’ would be permitted.)
It was not intended to make Christians fear a future of terrible pain, it was intended to offer hope and encouragement to Christians living in EVERY AGE that “tribulations” do not last, but the Kingdom of God is ETERNAL!